TRon Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 How did Spain win the Euros incidentally? They pissed on most teams big and small. And Barca winning the CL with Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Messi up top. ..and Man U winning the ultimate physical Premier league with midgets like Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez for that matter? Rooney's a fucking battering ram though. Ronaldo and Tevez are very strong. If you want a battering ram there are better options though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 How did Spain win the Euros incidentally? They pissed on most teams big and small. And Barca winning the CL with Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Messi up top. madras said we didnt need 'such a player' with beardsley and cole, that misses the point - beardsley was 'such a player'. to put it simply, if we had two andy coles up front, we'd be crying out for a Beardsley type, and if we had two Beardsley's upfront, we'd be in a superb position to exploit an andy cole type striker. feels like talking to a brick wall here sometimes but the phrase 'big target man' is a bit of a red herring. what we need is someone who can hold on to the ball, often with his back to goal, and link well with the midfield and other forwards and beardsley was world class at this, as was David Villa for spain in the Euros, as was Eto'o for Barca, or Tevez at man utd for instance and he's hardly tall or great in the air. whether the player we bring in is of the Drogba variety, a big, fast imposing striker, or a more creative type like Berbatov, isn't so important, but they have to do what ive listed above. Martins can win aerial balls and stretch the game as he has good pace and movement and agility, but his touch on the ground is haphazard and his passing not good enough to rely on him to be the main link player in a side. Owen these days plays far deeper and rarely plays with his back to goal. and while his passing is crisp and accurate, it is quite rudimentary, uncreative and uninspiring. he is someone who lays it off simply earlier on in an attack and then, after others work openings, he moves intelligently off-the-ball and follows up in the 2nd phase of an attack, getting on the end of chances. what we need is someone who is influential in the moments in-between these two stages of Owen's play. Is Saviola the player who can fulfill this role? from what ive seen, probably not, though i havent exhaustively analysed how he plays, he may prove adept at those aspects of the game. and his success or failure would not have that much to do with his height or lack of. of course, it is always nice to have the option of height or presence as it gives us greater variety to our attacks, and doesnt give opponents the chance to railroad us into playing a certain way which might alienate a forward line who all have the same weaknesses. as a further note, the examples listed are all those of successful teams, who are almost always on top of the game forcing the play. this isn't neccessarily going to be the case for us, but it does highlight the possibility of us making a success of a Saviola-Owen partnership. that would be if we had two wingers stretching the game and playing really high up the field, almost in a 4-2-4. that way Owen would be following the play rather than leading it, slightly behind the front-line, in the same way he is when he plays as a withdrawn striker/attacking midfielder, with the space in front of him opened up by quick, creative players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 How did Spain win the Euros incidentally? They pissed on most teams big and small. And Barca winning the CL with Eto'o, Ronaldinho and Messi up top. madras said we didnt need 'such a player' with beardsley and cole, that misses the point - beardsley was 'such a player'. to put it simply, if we had two andy coles up front, we'd be crying out for a Beardsley type, and if we had two Beardsley's upfront, we'd be in a superb position to exploit an andy cole type striker. feels like talking to a brick wall here sometimes but the phrase 'big target man' is a bit of a red herring. what we need is someone who can hold on to the ball, often with his back to goal, and link well with the midfield and other forwards and beardsley was world class at this, as was David Villa for spain in the Euros, as was Eto'o for Barca, or Tevez at man utd for instance and he's hardly tall or great in the air. whether the player we bring in is of the Drogba variety, a big, fast imposing striker, or a more creative type like Berbatov, isn't so important, but they have to do what ive listed above. Martins can win aerial balls and stretch the game as he has good pace and movement and agility, but his touch on the ground is haphazard and his passing not good enough to rely on him to be the main link player in a side. Owen these days plays far deeper and rarely plays with his back to goal. and while his passing is crisp and accurate, it is quite rudimentary, uncreative and uninspiring. he is someone who lays it off simply earlier on in an attack and then, after others work openings, he moves intelligently off-the-ball and follows up in the 2nd phase of an attack, getting on the end of chances. what we need is someone who is influential in the moments in-between these two stages of Owen's play. Is Saviola the player who can fulfill this role? from what ive seen, probably not, though i havent exhaustively analysed how he plays, he may prove adept at those aspects of the game. and his success or failure would not have that much to do with his height or lack of. of course, it is always nice to have the option of height or presence as it gives us greater variety to our attacks, and doesnt give opponents the chance to railroad us into playing a certain way which might alienate a forward line who all have the same weaknesses. as a further note, the examples listed are all those of successful teams, who are almost always on top of the game forcing the play. this isn't neccessarily going to be the case for us, but it does highlight the possibility of us making a success of a Saviola-Owen partnership. that would be if we had two wingers stretching the game and playing really high up the field, almost in a 4-2-4. that way Owen would be following the play rather than leading it, slightly behind the front-line, in the same way he is when he plays as a withdrawn striker/attacking midfielder, with the space in front of him opened up by quick, creative players. did I ? i partly agree with myself then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 was Tooj actually... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 just buy him and Zigic and gaffer tape them together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 We saw last year how much the likes of Pompey bullied our lads, and even yesterday. Says alot when Butts the toughest of your midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 We saw last year how much the likes of Pompey bullied our lads, and even yesterday. Says alot when Butts the toughest of your midfielders. I'd say Jonas is the most robust out of all our midfielders, he hasn't got much muscle mass but he's a very strong lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 Aye but hes not going to be able to put in the key tackles and break up player, we need an Essien. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 We saw last year how much the likes of Pompey bullied our lads, and even yesterday. Says alot when Butts the toughest of your midfielders. pompey bullied us...when ?. pissed on us in the home game but it was a pace and nouse thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 We saw last year how much the likes of Pompey bullied our lads, and even yesterday. Says alot when Butts the toughest of your midfielders. pompey bullied us...when ?. pissed on us in the home game but it was a pace and nouse thing. Just Cacapa really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 We saw last year how much the likes of Pompey bullied our lads, and even yesterday. Says alot when Butts the toughest of your midfielders. pompey bullied us...when ?. pissed on us in the home game but it was a pace and nouse thing. Just Cacapa really. Nah man I sat and watched whole 90 minutes and Diop dominated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 24, 2008 Share Posted August 24, 2008 We saw last year how much the likes of Pompey bullied our lads, and even yesterday. Says alot when Butts the toughest of your midfielders. pompey bullied us...when ?. pissed on us in the home game but it was a pace and nouse thing. Just Cacapa really. Nah man I sat and watched whole 90 minutes and Diop dominated. he didn't dominate. at 3-0 down after 15mins or so we'd gave in. he had nothing to dominate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 There was one point where he was on the floor but still kept it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 According to Marca, Real Madrid are trying to do a deal to sign David Villa. If that went through, it seems logical that Saviola would be allowed to leave, as he would be 5th choice striker. Hindu, may I ask you to put "You ain't seen me, roit?" under your avatar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 According to Marca, Real Madrid are trying to do a deal to sign David Villa. If that went through, it seems logical that Saviola would be allowed to leave, as he would be 5th choice striker. He will be allowed to go anyway most likely he didnt get a game last season and was rarely used as a sub Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 wot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridman Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 According to Marca, Real Madrid are trying to do a deal to sign David Villa. If that went through, it seems logical that Saviola would be allowed to leave, as he would be 5th choice striker. He will be allowed to go anyway most likely he didnt get a game last season and was rarely used as a sub Isn't Robinho going to Chelsea though? Think I remember Calderon saying that a player shouldn't be kept against his will and that Ronaldo should be allowed to join Real if he wanted to leave Man U, would be hyppocritical not to allowing Robinho to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 According to Marca, Real Madrid are trying to do a deal to sign David Villa. If that went through, it seems logical that Saviola would be allowed to leave, as he would be 5th choice striker. He will be allowed to go anyway most likely he didnt get a game last season and was rarely used as a sub Isn't Robinho going to Chelsea though? Think I remember Calderon saying that a player shouldn't be kept against his will and that Ronaldo should be allowed to join Real if he wanted to leave Man U, would be hyppocritical not to allowing Robinho to leave. Aye but he will more than likely be replaced can see their fans settling for no more sttscking signings if Robinho goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Disappointing this thread is only on 17 pages tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 All irrelevant as we are signing Robinho, Villa and Saviola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Lerner will never sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Lerner will never sell. More chance than signing David Villa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Lerner will never sell. Swap for Milner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Lerner will never sell. Swap for Milner? Not going to happen, Lerner knows you will never win anything with a team full of James Milners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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