KK resigns - see OP for new club statement issued September 6th

[Big Geordie]

'Scorched Earth' is indeed very worring if that is the intention.

[indi]

Indi, if you can't see that what Keegan said when Wise was appointed is in sharp contradiction to how the system has finally worked out by the club's own admission tonight you are beyond help:

 

Keegan:

"It will work very well. Dennis reports to me - the chain is established.

(...)

"I know what Dennis is going to do, and the idea in principle is good - to look for new players, to bring youngsters through and do things which our academy isn't doing so much at the moment."

 

Oh look you've completely ignored the main part of what I said, well done.

 

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

 

Are you going to comment on the actual point of my post or are you going to ignore it? If you are then don't be surprised if I respond to other people in future and not you. Jonny asked the same question of me but avoided the temptation to be a spaz about the way he did so, I should really have responded to him, sorry Jonny.

 

I get the impression that a number of people who are heavily on the Keegan side of this argument have a lot of pent up anger and frustration which they need to vent and as pretty much no-one is as similarly biased on the side of the board they're sending it the way of anyone who's trying to remain somewhere in the middle. Well I can understand that it must be hard to keep things under control if you feel that passionately about Keegan, but it's pretty tedious to be continuously slagged off for holding an opinion that you don't actually hold. So from now on I'm not responding to anyone who does, so you may as well not bother as you'll be wasting your time.

 

[Lagerstedt]

Two fucking days and this is all the manage to fabricate. Shocking lack of fantasy really.

Really want some new owners and some new, well thought through lies

[Wullie]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/article22410.ece

 

ASTONISHED Kevin Keegan was told to research Newcastle’s last two signings on the INTERNET!

 

Keegan was summoned to St James’s Park on Monday to be told the club were close to signing Spanish striker Xisco and Uruguay’s Ignacio Gonzalez.

 

When the Toon boss angrily claimed he had never heard of them he was told to search on YouTube.

 

A friend of Keegan said: “Kevin was called in and told the club were about to finalise deals for two players.

 

“When he asked who they were he was stunned to discover he had never heard of them.

 

“He felt they were non-entities, not the kind of players who could make any impact in the Premier League.

 

“He voiced his doubts and was told he should look them up on YouTube so he could see what he was getting.

 

“Even then he struggled to find any footage.

 

“But that was just typical of the way things were going at the end of his time at Newcastle. Kevin felt undermined and humiliated. It was as if he didn’t matter, that he was just some kind of pawn that Tony Jimenez and Dennis Wise could move about or ignore.

 

“It got to the stage where he couldn’t work with them any more and had to get out.”

 

Keegan contacted several players on Wednesday thanking them for support during “the hardest time I've ever experienced in football”.

 

As one source close to Keegan explained: “He had been treated like a dog. He had to front up all the decisions that had been taken behind his back because nobody was big enough to step out of the shadows.

 

“First he tells the fans James Milner is a vital part of his plans. Then, when he’s sold, it was Kevin who had to go in front of the fans again and say ‘Trust me’.

 

“He felt there was only so many times he could ask for that trust, especially when the likes of Jimenez and Wise were cutting him off at the knees.

 

“His position became impossible. He hated what was happening at the club he loved . . . so he had to get out.”

[Wullie]

Btw, the link in that article to Xisco Youtube footage is of a different Xisco.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Doubt a word of that is true

 

[indi]

Statement in respect of further comments from Newcastle United F.C.

The directors of Newcastle United Football Club have late this evening issued a statement. The League Managers Association and Kevin Keegan made the following response.

 

Richard Bevan, LMA chief executive, said:

 

“Kevin Keegan’s chief complaint, amongst others, is that it was always agreed that the director of football could not impose a player that the manager did not want. This agreement has been broken and, notwithstanding the fact that the chairman at the time of Kevin Keegan’s appointment, the director of football and the owner of Newcastle United, have confirmed previously in public meetings and publications, that he would always have the final say.”

 

Kevin Keegan said:

 

“At the time at which I joined Newcastle United Football Club it was made very clear to me that I would have the final say on player movement in and out of the club.”

 

The following quotes are reproduced from published articles:

 

In the Evening Chronicle (Newcastle) on 1st February this year, Newcastle United’s executive director of football, Dennis Wise, said: “I am here to help Kevin as much as possible with bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him. He will say yes or no. He has the final word. No-one else. I am not going to do things like bring players in behind his back. I am not into that. Everything that happens will be run past him and he will say yes or no.”

 

In an interview that appears in the September edition of the official Newcastle United magazine Mike Ashley said: "If the deal is right - and that means the right player who Kevin wants - then we will do that deal. Kevin himself is very particular about who he wants. To use his words, they have to have the right heart for Newcastle. That is massively important for him. If they don't then he's not interested."

 

For further information please contact:

 

Richard Bevan, LMA Chief Executive, 07860 474 767

 

 

ashley and wise can't really argue with their own words.

 

 

 

And neither can Keegan:

 

 

Apparently this is what Dennis Wise said himself about his role, back in February - interesting....;

 

Wise explains role at Newcastle

 

Newcastle executive director Dennis Wise has insisted that manager Kevin Keegan has the "final word" on all football matters at the club.

 

Wise left his role as Leeds boss earlier this week to take up his position with the Premier League club.

 

"I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him," said Wise.

 

"He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him."

 

"A lot of people have got mixed up with the reason why I am here. I'm not here to be involved in the first team, I'm not here to manage.

 

"I have to concentrate more on the academy, we need some young blood coming through of our own. We need to look abroad for players and that's my intention over the next few years."

 

 

Keegan has insisted that the appointment of Wise was made with his blessing and that he believes the new structure will be successful.

 

He said: "I am all for the changes and I approve of them. They want someone on the board who understands football, and Dennis understands football very well.

 

"It will work very well. Dennis reports to me - the chain is established.

 

"The club has become slightly fragmented. From my point of view, it's a positive thing - provided I get all the help I need.

 

"I know what Dennis is going to do, and the idea in principle is good - to look for new players, to bring youngsters through and do things which our academy isn't doing so much at the moment."

 

Keegan also revealed he was involved in the appointment after speaking to owner Mike Ashley before he returned as manager.

 

"I knew about it. It's not a surprise to me, it might be to other people," Keegan told BBC Radio 5 live.

 

"Two or three names were given to me when I first sat down and talked about the job with the owner. One of them was Dennis.

 

"I know Dennis. I know he's intelligent. I know his job here is to help me. He's on my side.

 

"How can any manager be against someone who is going to come to the club to try to bring in talent?

 

"It's right for this football club. A lot of people outside might be shocked about it. I think in the long term it's the right decision. It's something that needs to be done."

 

Keegan says there that Wise reports to him. clearly that changed sometime down the line. not sure what point you're trying to make though, Keegan quotes Ashley and Wise both saying the structure works one way, the club's statement says otherwise. if anything keegan's words emphasise that point and further undermine the club's statement.

 

Oh look, you've cut off the actual point of what I was saying as well.

[Dave]

Should have searched for DANUBIO.

[Baggio]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/article22410.ece

 

ASTONISHED Kevin Keegan was told to research Newcastle’s last two signings on the INTERNET!

 

Keegan was summoned to St James’s Park on Monday to be told the club were close to signing Spanish striker Xisco and Uruguay’s Ignacio Gonzalez.

 

When the Toon boss angrily claimed he had never heard of them he was told to search on YouTube.

 

A friend of Keegan said: “Kevin was called in and told the club were about to finalise deals for two players.

 

“When he asked who they were he was stunned to discover he had never heard of them.

 

“He felt they were non-entities, not the kind of players who could make any impact in the Premier League.

 

“He voiced his doubts and was told he should look them up on YouTube so he could see what he was getting.

 

“Even then he struggled to find any footage.

 

“But that was just typical of the way things were going at the end of his time at Newcastle. Kevin felt undermined and humiliated. It was as if he didn’t matter, that he was just some kind of pawn that Tony Jimenez and Dennis Wise could move about or ignore.

 

“It got to the stage where he couldn’t work with them any more and had to get out.”

 

Keegan contacted several players on Wednesday thanking them for support during “the hardest time I've ever experienced in football”.

 

As one source close to Keegan explained: “He had been treated like a dog. He had to front up all the decisions that had been taken behind his back because nobody was big enough to step out of the shadows.

 

“First he tells the fans James Milner is a vital part of his plans. Then, when he’s sold, it was Kevin who had to go in front of the fans again and say ‘Trust me’.

 

“He felt there was only so many times he could ask for that trust, especially when the likes of Jimenez and Wise were cutting him off at the knees.

 

“His position became impossible. He hated what was happening at the club he loved . . . so he had to get out.”

 

Apparently keegan was happy with the video of Gonzalez until he realised he was watching the wrong video of some left back.

[NJS]

Oh look you've completely ignored the main part of what I said, well done.

 

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

 

 

Sorry but I haven't seen anyone saying Keegan was lied to from the start or him saying he didn't know what he was getting into.

 

I read as him being happy with the system until the Milner/deadline day alleged bust ups - what's contradictory about that?

 

 

 

[Guest Geordiesned]

Btw, the link in that article to Xisco Youtube footage is of a different Xisco.

 

Maybe Jiminez and the cock-eyed twat signed him after watching him on YouTube and they've signed the wrong one!

[Bad Mongo]

Anagram of 'Mike Ashey Dennis Wise" - "Swindle Messiah? Ye, I Ken"  Ok, so it's tenuous.  The board went down, I had to do it.

Dennis Wise is an anagram of Snide Swine. Mike Ashley is an anagram of Aye, He Milks. Coincidence?

[Unbelievable]

Indi, if you can't see that what Keegan said when Wise was appointed is in sharp contradiction to how the system has finally worked out by the club's own admission tonight you are beyond help:

 

Keegan:

"It will work very well. Dennis reports to me - the chain is established.

(...)

"I know what Dennis is going to do, and the idea in principle is good - to look for new players, to bring youngsters through and do things which our academy isn't doing so much at the moment."

 

Oh look you've completely ignored the main part of what I said, well done.

 

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

 

Are you going to comment on the actual point of my post or are you going to ignore it? If you are then don't be surprised if I respond to other people in future and not you. Jonny asked the same question of me but avoided the temptation to be a spaz about the way he did so, I should really have responded to him, sorry Jonny.

 

I get the impression that a number of people who are heavily on the Keegan side of this argument have a lot of pent up anger and frustration which they need to vent and as pretty much no-one is as similarly biased on the side of the board they're sending it the way of anyone who's trying to remain somewhere in the middle. Well I can understand that it must be hard to keep things under control if you feel that passionately about Keegan, but it's pretty tedious to be continuously slagged off for holding an opinion that you don't actually hold. So from now on I'm not responding to anyone who does, so you may as well not bother as you'll be wasting your time.

 

 

What discrepancies in what Keegan has said? As far as I can see there are no discrepancies, unless you mean discrepancies between with what Keegan said back then and what the board are coming out with now, which is exactly the reason for this outrage you fail to understand.

 

As for the rest, fair enough, even though I think you are completely underestimating the perception of what Ahsley & Co have done in this last week if you believe there will be no serious repercussions.

[Bad Mongo]

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

What you choose to ignore is that Keegan's story at the time was consistent with the rest of the club's story until very recently. It's only now, with the club's so-called "facts", that Keegan was supposed to report to some "Director of Football". That has been both the official version and Keegan's: Keegan has the final say on transfers. Wise's role is to recommend players.

[Unbelievable]

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

What you choose to ignore is that Keegan's story at the time was consistent with the rest of the club's story until very recently. It's only now, with the club's so-called "facts", that Keegan was supposed to report to some "Director of Football". That has been both the official version and Keegan's: Keegan has the final say on transfers. Wise's role is to recommend players.

 

You're only the tenth person to point this out to Indi, but there's a good chance he has now grasped the flaw in his logic and we'll never hear him about this again as all he seems to be interested in now is pretending the last week never happened and threathening not to respond to my posts anymore.. [/NE5 vs Mick mode]

[indi]

Oh look you've completely ignored the main part of what I said, well done.

 

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

 

 

Sorry but I haven't seen anyone saying Keegan was lied to from the start or him saying he didn't know what he was getting into.

 

I read as him being happy with the system until the Milner/deadline day alleged bust ups - what's contradictory about that?

 

 

I have, lots of people.

 

So you think he was totally happy until Milner's sale and the transfer deadline? So where's all this unable to manage, consistently undermined his position stuff coming from? There's been loads of contradictions with what Keegan is saying now and what he has said in the past.

 

I'm sorry mate, but I'm not going to go digging for the quotes to back up the things I've said above, they're all in this thread somewhere and I'm totally sick of this now, the level of intransigence on this forum is soul-destroying.

[indi]

Indi, if you can't see that what Keegan said when Wise was appointed is in sharp contradiction to how the system has finally worked out by the club's own admission tonight you are beyond help:

 

Keegan:

"It will work very well. Dennis reports to me - the chain is established.

(...)

"I know what Dennis is going to do, and the idea in principle is good - to look for new players, to bring youngsters through and do things which our academy isn't doing so much at the moment."

 

Oh look you've completely ignored the main part of what I said, well done.

 

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

 

Are you going to comment on the actual point of my post or are you going to ignore it? If you are then don't be surprised if I respond to other people in future and not you. Jonny asked the same question of me but avoided the temptation to be a spaz about the way he did so, I should really have responded to him, sorry Jonny.

 

I get the impression that a number of people who are heavily on the Keegan side of this argument have a lot of pent up anger and frustration which they need to vent and as pretty much no-one is as similarly biased on the side of the board they're sending it the way of anyone who's trying to remain somewhere in the middle. Well I can understand that it must be hard to keep things under control if you feel that passionately about Keegan, but it's pretty tedious to be continuously slagged off for holding an opinion that you don't actually hold. So from now on I'm not responding to anyone who does, so you may as well not bother as you'll be wasting your time.

 

 

What discrepancies in what Keegan has said? As far as I can see there are no discrepancies, unless you mean discrepancies between with what Keegan said back then and what the board are coming out with now, which is exactly the reason for this outrage you fail to understand.

 

As for the rest, fair enough, even though I think you are completely underestimating the perception of what Ahsley & Co have done in this last week if you believe there will be no serious repercussions.

 

The discrepancies between when Keegan was saying that everything was fine and he was totally happy throughout the period up until this week and him now saying that his position was unmanageable, he was being undermined and that he hated it so much he had to quit.

 

Who said anything about no repercussions? What I said was that the people who participate in those repercussions will be just as guilty of destroying the club as Ashley, Wise, Keegan or whoever else people want to blame for it.

[indi]

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

What you choose to ignore is that Keegan's story at the time was consistent with the rest of the club's story until very recently. It's only now, with the club's so-called "facts", that Keegan was supposed to report to some "Director of Football". That has been both the official version and Keegan's: Keegan has the final say on transfers. Wise's role is to recommend players.

 

No I don't chose to ignore that, I wasn't giving an opinion on that in that particular post. I was specifically addressing the idea that some people seem to have that Keegan knew nothing about there being any director of football (or whatever you want to call him) at the time when he became manager of the club and that he didn't know it was going to be Wise, both of which are misconceptions on the part of the people who hold them.

[indi]

I will humour you though by explaining why I posted what I posted. In that second article Keegan is quoted as saying that he knew about the DOF situation , that he knew it was Dennis Wise, that he apparently respected Wise and thought he would do a good job. These revelations - well to some of "us" anyway - should shatter the popular delusions that KK had no idea what he was getting himself into and must have been lied to from the start. The reason I point that out is that everyone is pointing to the discrepancies in what the board have said and totally ignoring the discrepancies in what Keegan's said. That way, delusion reigns.

What you choose to ignore is that Keegan's story at the time was consistent with the rest of the club's story until very recently. It's only now, with the club's so-called "facts", that Keegan was supposed to report to some "Director of Football". That has been both the official version and Keegan's: Keegan has the final say on transfers. Wise's role is to recommend players.

 

You're only the tenth person to point this out to Indi, but there's a good chance he has now grasped the flaw in his logic and we'll never hear him about this again as all he seems to be interested in now is pretending the last week never happened and threathening not to respond to my posts anymore.. [/NE5 vs Mick mode]

 

You, Jonnypd and him, that's 3 people, counting is obviously not your strong point eh? Also, those 3 people have not pointed out any flaw in my logic, they totally missed the entire point of my logic, something you are obviously an expert at.

 

I've explained it for you a number of times now, if you're incapable of understanding it then I'm sorry for you.

 

Keep fishing though, you never know, I might just bite in the end, but don't count on it.

[Wullie]

I've missed the point of your logic as well Indi. You seem to be aiming at people who say Keegan knew nothing about a director of football when he was hired. I say very few people think that at all.

[colinmk]

I've missed the point of your logic as well Indi. You seem to be aiming at people who say Keegan knew nothing about a director of football when he was hired. I say very few people think that at all.

 

This is the impression I'm getting too?

[indi]

Are you really going to make me trawl all the way back through this thread to get the quotes?

 

You are aren't you, you bastard Wullie!! 

[Wullie]

Are you really going to make me trawl all the way back through this thread to get the quotes?

 

You are aren't you, you bastard Wullie!! 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, there probably are some people who have posted that but I think it is a very small minority.

[Mick]

Are you really going to make me trawl all the way back through this thread to get the quotes?

 

You are aren't you, you b****** Wullie!! 

 

I think most know he was getting a director of football, what people don't agree with is that Keegan knew this person would be his boss as that wasn't the case at the time from what all concerned were saying.

[Teasy]

Can't remember anyone claiming that Keegan didn't know Wise was being appointed.  He obviously agreed to the appointment but what Keegan was told about the structure of the club wasn't how it actually worked in practice.  Its not as if it can simply have been confusion or blurred lines between duties either, the job the club continually claimed Wise had and the job they now admit he had from day one completely contradict each other, they're lying shits basically!