Sir Bobby Robson Tells Director "Wise Must Go"

[Taylor Swift]

Why do we need a Geordie manager? That is seriously limiting the pool of candidates and because there aren't that many Geordies and Geordie managers out there, we're obviously going to end up with a bum.

 

Even though Bruce has a done a decent job at Wigan, there are far more qualified candidates out there and I'd be seriously disappointed were we to hire him. Keegan replaced by Bruce? Joke.

 

What's up with this concept that only Geordies can run the club and only Geordies know what it's all about? This backwards closed-minded mentality is simply pandering to the sentimental and unreasonable folk and is why Shearer's always odds-on when there's a vacancy here. Why should the club and its management let themselves be dictated by a mob mentality? Why shouldn't we go all out for the best possible candidate, regardless of nationality or race? Why not hire someone who has an objective view of the club, someone who won't be swayed by the notoriously fickle fans that every club seems to possess (a group that seems to have particular sway over our club, for some reason)? Geordie shouldn't a qualification and I'd be seriously disappointed if it ever were.

[Guest Gemmill]

The club is a fucking mess.  Bruce is probably about as good as we could hope for, and even he might think better of it.

[Mr Logic]

Why do we need a Geordie manager? That is seriously limiting the pool of candidates and because there aren't that many Geordies and Geordie managers out there, we're obviously going to end up with a bum.

 

Even though Bruce has a done a decent job at Wigan, there are far more qualified candidates out there and I'd be seriously disappointed were we to hire him. Keegan replaced by Bruce? Joke.

 

What's up with this concept that only Geordies can run the club and only Geordies know what it's all about? This backwards closed-minded mentality is simply pandering to the sentimental and unreasonable folk and is why Shearer's always odds-on when there's a vacancy here. Why should the club and its management let themselves be dictated by a mob mentality? Why shouldn't we go all out for the best possible candidate, regardless of nationality or race? Why not hire someone who has an objective view of the club, someone who won't be swayed by the notoriously fickle fans that every club seems to possess (a group that seems to have particular sway over our club, for some reason)? Geordie shouldn't a qualification and I'd be seriously disappointed if it ever were.

 

 

I've got a lot of respect and admiration for SBR but in this situation I wish he'd keep his opinions to himself. And why would a manger need Premier League experience? I can understand to a degree that it helps a player to have played there already, but a manager? Or was he just underlining Bruce's credentials.

[Robster]

Bobby doesnt actually say whether Llambias spoke to him at any length. I would expect that he just brushed SBR off.

[Guest SpinTheBlackCircle]

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LAST CHANCE FOR KING KEV

EXCLUSIVE CRUNCH TYNE FOR GEORDIE LEGEND Ashley in a final bid to lure back boss

By Martin Hardy

Desperate Newcastle owner Mike Ashley will make one last attempt to persuade Kevin Keegan to make a sensational return to the position he quit 10 days ago.

 

Keegan and Ashley met in London on Friday night for shock talks after a week of attempts by go-betweens to broker peace.

 

Keegan had stipulated before the showdown that Dennis Wise's power would have to be diluted if he was to even consider a dramatic third term in charge at St James' Park.

 

In order to get the former United boss to meet billionaire Ashley, tentative suggestions were made that it could be possible.

 

Keegan wants Wise to become head of Newcastle's academy to concentrate on developing youngsters - the position he thought had been earmarked for the club's director of football all along.

 

Or he wants Wise completely out of the picture, which would leave the way clear for his return, alongside long-term No.2 Terry McDermott.

 

 

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If either of those stipulations had been met, then Keegan could well have been in charge for Newcastle's volatile home clash with Hull yesterday, which saw mass demonstrations against the owner.

 

 

However, People Sport understands the meeting got off to a bad start, and as soon as Keegan was told Wise's position would not be altered, any chances of reconciliation began to fade.

 

 

Keegan believed he was to be offered his old role, but crucially with far greater power. He wants full control of player recruitment and a far bigger say in player contracts, areas completely controlled at present by Wise and Tony Jimenez.

 

 

Ashley, who is inching closer to selling the club, will attempt to broker one final round of peace talks this week to see if there is the possibility Keegan can return, but he knows Wise's position is the greatest stumbling block.

 

 

The sports store magnate DOES have back-up plans after attempting to play his get-out-of-jail card with the furious Toon Army.

 

 

Compensation talks have been held with Tottenham chiefs over No.2 Gus Poyet.

 

 

Toon bosses have sounded out the Uruguayan about taking over and, despite reservations about the political situation at St James' Park and the upheaval that would be involved in moving his family, he remains first choice after Keegan.

 

 

But Spurs chief Daniel Levy will fight any move and Newcastle believe Paul Ince would jump at the chance to take over, despite public utterances that he sees his future at Blackburn.

 

 

Rovers fear Ince, who only joined them in the summer, could be tempted.

 

 

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

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LAST CHANCE FOR KING KEV

EXCLUSIVE CRUNCH TYNE FOR GEORDIE LEGEND Ashley in a final bid to lure back boss

By Martin Hardy

 

Ashley, who is inching closer to selling the club, will attempt to broker one final round of peace talks this week to see if there is the possibility Keegan can return, but he knows Wise's position is the greatest stumbling block.

If Ashley is thinking of selling the club why not do what Keegan wants to get him back? It's not like Wise will have any long term career prospects at NUFC if Ashley sells it. NUFC becomes a much more attractive club to buy with Keegan in charge. For one thing all the 'customers' wouldn't be protesting!

[Robster]

"Rovers fear Ince, who only joined them in the summer, could be tempted"

 

What utter tripe. On what basis are they able to print stuff like this

[manorpark]

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LAST CHANCE FOR KING KEV

EXCLUSIVE CRUNCH TYNE FOR GEORDIE LEGEND Ashley in a final bid to lure back boss

By Martin Hardy

Desperate Newcastle owner Mike Ashley will make one last attempt to persuade Kevin Keegan to make a sensational return to the position he quit 10 days ago.

 

Keegan and Ashley met in London on Friday night for shock talks after a week of attempts by go-betweens to broker peace.

 

Keegan had stipulated before the showdown that Dennis Wise's power would have to be diluted if he was to even consider a dramatic third term in charge at St James' Park.

 

In order to get the former United boss to meet billionaire Ashley, tentative suggestions were made that it could be possible.

 

Keegan wants Wise to become head of Newcastle's academy to concentrate on developing youngsters - the position he thought had been earmarked for the club's director of football all along.

 

Or he wants Wise completely out of the picture, which would leave the way clear for his return, alongside long-term No.2 Terry McDermott.

 

 

Advertisement

 

 

If either of those stipulations had been met, then Keegan could well have been in charge for Newcastle's volatile home clash with Hull yesterday, which saw mass demonstrations against the owner.

 

 

However, People Sport understands the meeting got off to a bad start, and as soon as Keegan was told Wise's position would not be altered, any chances of reconciliation began to fade.

 

 

Keegan believed he was to be offered his old role, but crucially with far greater power. He wants full control of player recruitment and a far bigger say in player contracts, areas completely controlled at present by Wise and Tony Jimenez.

 

 

Ashley, who is inching closer to selling the club, will attempt to broker one final round of peace talks this week to see if there is the possibility Keegan can return, but he knows Wise's position is the greatest stumbling block.

 

 

The sports store magnate DOES have back-up plans after attempting to play his get-out-of-jail card with the furious Toon Army.

 

 

Compensation talks have been held with Tottenham chiefs over No.2 Gus Poyet.

 

 

Toon bosses have sounded out the Uruguayan about taking over and, despite reservations about the political situation at St James' Park and the upheaval that would be involved in moving his family, he remains first choice after Keegan.

 

 

But Spurs chief Daniel Levy will fight any move and Newcastle believe Paul Ince would jump at the chance to take over, despite public utterances that he sees his future at Blackburn.

 

 

Rovers fear Ince, who only joined them in the summer, could be tempted.

 

 

 

An excellent example of a newspaper report that is "100% made up".  Absolutely 100% manufactured out of someones 'thoughts' about what might have happened and may happen!

 

In this amazing mess though (that we are all in) IT COULD EASILY TURN OUT TO BE TRUE!!!!

 

Bizarre - we thought we were a 'front page' (rather than back page) club in the past (which we were) but  N O W . . . !!!

 

When will it ever end??

[Thespence]

When I watched his early Birmingham teams I thought no way  but watching the way the current Wigan team play I would take him. Will he come? NO.

[Guest Jawesome]

He's better than Gullit, Dalglish, Souness, Roeder and Allardyce.

[Gallowgate End]

He's better than Gullit, Dalglish, Souness, Roeder and Allardyce.

 

More importantly better then those who Jimenez and Wise have most likely lined up Gus Poyet ect.

 

People need to realize no world renowned top standard manger will go near the current Newcastle United job.

 

A Kevin Keegan return or Steve Bruce appointment is the best the club can hope for neither top managers.

[Guest guinness_fiend]

From: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4143049,00.html

 

 

Sir Bobby Robson believes Dennis Wise will never be accepted by Newcastle United fans and has urged the club to quickly appoint a 'first-class' manager to replace Kevin Keegan.

 

The Magpies are currently in turmoil following Keegan's abrupt resignation last week due to his disagreements regarding the club's transfer policy.

 

Newcastle owner Mike Ashley and executive director (football) Wise have borne the brunt of the fans' criticism for Keegan's sudden departure.

 

Former Magpies boss Robson is 'deeply concerned' by the club's current situation and is eager for a swift resolution on the managerial front.

Absolute priority

 

"Like all Newcastle supporters, I'm deeply concerned about how the club has appeared to slide over the past few years, and things seem to be worse now than ever," wrote Robson in his Mail on Sunday column.

 

"The absolute priority for Newcastle now is to appoint a first-class manager, right away.

 

"If it's not Keegan coming back, the club have to move on quickly. And a first-class manager will only work if he can determine what he wants and the club back his decisions. If the owner is the most important person at a club, the manager must be the second most important. And they have to work hand in hand.

 

"I think Dennis Wise will never be accepted here and he has to realise that. While Dennis is running things from the south, you have to ask if the structure is correct. My view is that they need to appoint a Geordie manager, and someone with Premier League experience. That person can work with a director of football, as long as it's a director of football who will try to work on what the manager wants.

 

Bruce suggestion

 

"I've made no secret of saying in the past that Steve Bruce, for example, would make an ideal Newcastle United manager. He knows the area, knows the club, and has learned the trade at clubs like Birmingham and Wigan, which has been a great education for taking on a bigger club.

 

"I don't know if Steve would want the job at the moment but the least Newcastle can do is create the atmosphere so that a fine, up-and-coming manager - and a Geordie one - would jump at the chance.

 

"At the moment, everything surrounding Newcastle would put first-class managers off. It has to change, and fast."

 

 

No Bobby, noooooo!

[TRon]

When I watched his early Birmingham teams I thought no way  but watching the way the current Wigan team play I would take him. Will he come? NO.

 

That just suggests his signings have been better this time round, added to the fact he took over a squad much better than the shit team he left at Birmingham. It doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to set out a side to play good football in particular.

[Thespence]

When I watched his early Birmingham teams I thought no way  but watching the way the current Wigan team play I would take him. Will he come? NO.

 

That just suggests his signings have been better this time round, added to the fact he took over a squad much better than the s*** team he left at Birmingham. It doesn't necessarily mean he knows how to set out a side to play good football in particular.

 

He left Birmingham who were higher in the league than Wigan a team that had only won 1 game out 12 games. His Wigan team play good football.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Bruce is a decent mid-range level Premier League manager who like Souness, Roeder, Big Sam et al would drown at St. James' Park in the long run, Geordie or no Geordie. I understand Sir Bobby's comments however and he is once again talking complete sense. I hope those he's talked to listen and listen good.

 

Back to Bruce, we'd do well to attract him that should tell anyone associated with Newcastle United just how far we've fallen and how desperate things have become here because as Sir Bobby said himself, no self respecting top-class manager would view this job as a good job and even your average managers would be well advised to give it a miss. Especially now.

 

It has become almost impossible to succeed here, even if you're Kevin Keegan himself. If it isn't pressure from the stands, intense media scrutiny or player dissent it is interfering board's.

 

You would have to be completely insane to want this job.

 

Or a great friend of Dennis Wise's...

[Tooj]

Why do we need a Geordie manager? That is seriously limiting the pool of candidates and because there aren't that many Geordies and Geordie managers out there, we're obviously going to end up with a bum.

 

Even though Bruce has a done a decent job at Wigan, there are far more qualified candidates out there and I'd be seriously disappointed were we to hire him. Keegan replaced by Bruce? Joke.

 

What's up with this concept that only Geordies can run the club and only Geordies know what it's all about? This backwards closed-minded mentality is simply pandering to the sentimental and unreasonable folk and is why Shearer's always odds-on when there's a vacancy here. Why should the club and its management let themselves be dictated by a mob mentality? Why shouldn't we go all out for the best possible candidate, regardless of nationality or race? Why not hire someone who has an objective view of the club, someone who won't be swayed by the notoriously fickle fans that every club seems to possess (a group that seems to have particular sway over our club, for some reason)? Geordie shouldn't a qualification and I'd be seriously disappointed if it ever were.

 

Probably because barring perhaps Gordon Lee all of our most successful managers of the last 50 years or so have all had some sort of affiliation with either the club or the area.

[Taylor Swift]

And yet we've only one trophy in the past 40 years, even with all the resources - the huge fanbase, the stadium, the money, everything.

 

There needs to a change of mentality and someone else, someone whose main quality isn't 'hometown favourite' 'prodigal son' etc, deserves a fair chance.

[mrmojorisin75]

And yet we've only one trophy in the past 40 years, even with all the resources - the huge fanbase, the stadium, the money, everything.

 

There needs to a change of mentality and someone else, someone whose main quality isn't 'hometown favourite' 'prodigal son' etc, deserves a fair chance.

 

nailed...as long as we think of ourselves as a special club, in the sense that only certain people can understand it and the region, then we will continue to fail

 

clutching at the steve bruce straw is nuts, truly nuts

[Thespence]

And yet we've only one trophy in the past 40 years, even with all the resources - the huge fanbase, the stadium, the money, everything.

 

There needs to a change of mentality and someone else, someone whose main quality isn't 'hometown favourite' 'prodigal son' etc, deserves a fair chance.

 

Do your history & you will see when we dabble with outsiders it is even worse. Check any of the following out Bill McGarry? Jim Smith? Ruud? Ossie? Kenny? Sam? Souey? Of course every now again there is a "OUTSIDER" who does well like Arthur Cox.

[Taylor Swift]

Nationality shouldn't be an issue. KK was successful because he's a good manager. He only failed with England but everywhere else, he was successful. Same story with Sir Bob, who was actually more successful at other clubs (Ipswich and PSV).

 

What about Roeder then, if you're so into people who have an affiliation with a club? His reign was an utter disaster and his team's style of play was eerily reminiscent of Souness'.

 

Get a good manager in and we'll be ok.

[Tooj]

Nationality shouldn't be an issue. KK was successful because he's a good manager. He only failed with England but everywhere else, he was successful. Same story with Sir Bob, who was actually more successful at other clubs (Ipswich and PSV).

 

What about Roeder then, if you're so into people who have an affiliation with a club? His reign was an utter disaster and his team's style of play was eerily reminiscent of Souness'.

 

Get a good manager in and we'll be ok.

 

I never said that wouldn't be the case. If you read my post closely it stated people who have an affilliation with the club do tend to do better than others. This is a fact.

[ChezGiven]

Nationality shouldn't be an issue. KK was successful because he's a good manager. He only failed with England but everywhere else, he was successful. Same story with Sir Bob, who was actually more successful at other clubs (Ipswich and PSV).

 

What about Roeder then, if you're so into people who have an affiliation with a club? His reign was an utter disaster and his team's style of play was eerily reminiscent of Souness'.

 

Get a good manager in and we'll be ok.

 

I never said that wouldn't be the case. If you read my post closely it stated people who have an affilliation with the club do tend to do better than others. This is a fact.

 

An empty hollow one that proves fuck all but a fact nonetheless.

[Taylor Swift]

If we limit our pool to Geordies or those with an affiliation with the club, then there's only so many Geordies or players who have played for us. We'll be fucked if this mentality dominates.

 

Say only 10% or so of managers are successful, if we limit our pool, we'll need to be lucky to find that group from our limited pool. On the other hand, if we look for those with a good mentality, experienced, highly-rated etc. etc., we'll be fine.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

And yet we've only one trophy in the past 40 years, even with all the resources - the huge fanbase, the stadium, the money, everything.

 

The culture of the club isn't to blame for those failures.

 

I would have once agreed with you that the culture/mentality of the club needs to change but not now, what this club needs and always will do is people who can work with the culture of the club and actually tap into it rather than suppress it or try to change it.

 

KK was afforded much love and patience because of what he had achieved here as a player aye but had he relegated us or never took us on that world wind rise to the top of the league, don't for one minute believe this club wouldn't have spat him out just like that like it has others.

 

KK succeeded where most haven't because for once someone actually tapped into the culture of the club and fans' mentality and used it to his advantage, he give us what we want which is surely the way ahead regardless anyway?

 

Fans have shown we will put up with an awful lot so I don't buy this lack of patience stuff. I mean Souness had more lives than a cat where fans were concerned.

 

Yes Big Sam didn't get much time on paper but I can't remember fans shouting for his head or protesting for him to be sacked or anything like that.

 

You see, a lot of people misinterpret us a great deal. Because we are not shy in having our say, calling a spade a spade (i.e. booing shit performances or telling our manager he doesn't know what he's doing when we see such shit tactics) we get tarred with this too demanding and too intolerant tag or that we lack patience.

 

Patience?

 

There is no club in this country that would get the crowds we get nor the level of support the club gets if it had underachieved so much as we have or hadn't won a thing in god knows how many years.

 

Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, none of them.

 

All the average fan really wants is a well run club on and off the pitch that shows some signs of heading in the right direction, signs that the club is trying to give the fans what they want. Good football, a good cup run and something to shout about.

 

No-one expects trophies, big name signings or any other "deluded" ambitions. That is the top and bottom of it, good football, a cup run and something to shout about, maybe a good number 9, maybe a good winger, maybe a good manager.

 

We put our number 9s on a pedestal and our KK's because in reality our expectations are actually pretty normal and low even, its as if a good number 9 and a KK type figure is enough for us, that and good football of course and that is actually the truth, most would be satisfied with that.

 

The most painful and saddest thing about all the people down the years who have fucked things up here is just how fucking easy it is to make us happy.

 

Like I said, sign a good number 9, bring in a manager who has a feeling for the fans, who actually communicates with them, play some decent football, lose a few cup finals, and we'd be fucking delighted.

 

Legend status to the number 9, the manager and the memories of good cup runs to anyone who brings such joys to the fans.

 

Rotterdam to a Man Utd fan would be seen as a close shave, phew. To us it was fucking brilliant, up there with anything. Woo Hoo.

 

The semi against Chelsea at Wembley, had that been Liverpool, tragedy all-round. Fuck the result, we scored at Wembley. Woo Hoo.

 

Cardiff - I was both embarrassed and proud.

 

No other set of fans of a so-called big club would have just accepted that and actually cheered their worthless side and manager off like that. Getting that far was an actual achievement in the eyes of many. Like I said, a good cup run...

 

How can so many people get it so wrong and often spectacularly so too.

 

This should be the easiest job in the world. Big fan base, lots of money, great stadium, huge catchment area, good history and traditions, pretty low expectations and unfulfilled potential.

 

Legend status awaits those that score goals by the bucket load (Shearer, Sir Les, Cole, Super Mac etc.), can bond with fans (KK, Sir Bobby), a team that can produce good football (the entertainers version 1 & 2) or an era that produces some top moments like a cup run or some memorable nights ala Rotterdam etc.

 

Not much to fucking ask for is it...

 

When you delve deep into the culture and mentality of the club you start to see just how much people really don't understand it or get it. KK got it. Sir Bobby did too.

 

Perhaps any new manager or even a new owner needs a crash course in the culture of the club, I know at Barcelona and Ajax players and managers are schooled in the traditions, culture and mentality of those clubs so that they stand a better chance of succeeding. KK schooled any new signings first time around too which is why not many failed here, he signed the right players and they understood what was expected of them, he give them the freedom and we backed him and those players. Pretty simple stuff really.

[Zero]

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