Mr. Snrub Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 If we're better at the back why have we conceded 11 goals more than them? Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt is better than what we've got in midfield and we don't even need to talk about strikers. Be realistic, man. They're a better team, there's no 2 ways about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 If we're better at the back why have we conceded 11 goals more than them? Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt is better than what we've got in midfield and we don't even need to talk about strikers. Be realistic, man. They're a better team, there's no 2 ways about it. And the Keeper too. Some people live in cloud fucking mental land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 When Dalglish took over Liverpool were 13th after 21 games with 25 points (Scoring 25 Conceding 29). Now 16 games later they are 6th with 58 points (Scoring 59 Conceding 43). The Liverpool hatered on here at times makes for some idiotic statements like. EDIT: Judging by my calculations, Liverpools average points per game under dalglish is 2.06, which over the corse of 37 games would leave them on 76 points (a point behind Man U). Obviosly it's just statistic like, but it further amplifies the madness of such statements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 If we're better at the back why have we conceded 11 goals more than them? Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt is better than what we've got in midfield and we don't even need to talk about strikers. Be realistic, man. They're a better team, there's no 2 ways about it. While your point remains very valid, Lucas is just shit and shouldn't be on that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 their midfied is shite plus ive assumed that we invest smething like 25-30m we are nt far ff 13 pts is easily gettable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 their midfied is s**** plus ive assumed that we invest smething like 25-30m we are nt far ff 13 pts is easily gettable Ok, and if they spend £25-30 mil, does that mean the 13 points is ungettable again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 As if they'll not spend in the summer, they are already in talks with players like Hazard FFS. We'd have to spend £50m to get to where they are now, probably another £50m by the time they finish up this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 If we're better at the back why have we conceded 11 goals more than them? Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Maxi, Kuyt is better than what we've got in midfield and we don't even need to talk about strikers. Be realistic, man. They're a better team, there's no 2 ways about it. While your point remains very valid, Lucas is just shit and shouldn't be on that list. Up until this season he was shit, but he's actually been quite impressive this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Law of diminishing returns, Elliott man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 ANDY CARROLL will return to Liverpool next month already facing a fight to prove he can fit into Kenny Dalglish's long-term plans. Carroll should have been leading the England Under-21 attack against Spain tonight. Instead, the Liverpool striker's summer holiday represents the calm before the storm as he readies himself for the most important season of his career. Just six months after Carroll's £35million move to Anfield from Newcastle, there are genuine concerns as to whether the striker has what it takes to make his time on Merseyside a success. The 22-year-old's lifestyle and lack of fitness are making many at the club fear he is destined to become an expensive mistake unless he can rid himself of bad habits and bad influences. The Geordie will be under intense pressure to start delivering in August after being given a relatively easy ride in his first six months at Liverpool. Although he scored twice, his fitness levels started to alarm the club during the climax to the campaign. His lack of contribution to the club's recovery from 12th to sixth under Dalglish slipped under the radar largely due to the impact of Luis Suarez. The Uruguayan, who signed on the same deadline day in January, was able to distract attention from the void left by Fernando Torres. There were plenty at Anfield who thought Carroll would have been better off in Denmark with the Under-21s rather than sunning himself on holiday And, while Torres was universally slammed for his difficulties settling at Stamford Bridge, it has been relatively ignored that, without Suarez's impact, the £35m spent on Carroll would have received much more damning scrutiny. Carroll, the eighth-most expensive footballer in history and the second-most expensive player playing for a British club behind Torres, was injured when he arrived and continued to pick up niggles during training. That was put down in part to his poor shape, which is not helped by his off-the-pitch routine. The striker has been described as a throwback to another era, but that applies to his social life as much as his style of play. Before arriving at Anfield his off-field reputation had eclipsed his impressive displays for Newcastle, for whom he scored 33 goals in 91 appearances. He was fined for a nightclub assault and also involved in a highly publicised training ground incident which left team-mate Steven Taylor with a broken jaw. Since arriving, he has been spotted celebrating Liverpool wins in city centre bars. The feeling is that close friends ought to be looking after him and warning him he will not survive at Anfield unless he oversees a massive change in approach. There were plenty at Anfield who thought Carroll would have been better off in Denmark with the Under-21s rather than sunning himself on holiday. But that would mean he'd miss the start of Liverpool's pre-season and Dalglish felt it could have done more harm than good. Instead, come the first week of July, the striker is likely to be worked like he has never been before. Those first few weeks of conditioning work will be the most crucial he will ever undertake. Should Carroll not emerge from that looking like a new player, it is no exaggeration to suggest his Liverpool career will be under immediate threat. The biggest problem will be how Carroll fits into a team which is to be built on youthful energy, movement and running opponents ragged. Serious questions were starting to be raised about whether Carroll should be in the team at all. And it will not get any easier for him in August Seven days at the end of last season exposed where Carroll's difficulties lie. In their penultimate away game at Fulham, the pace, athleticism and mobility of Dalglish's midfield and strike force demonstrated his long-term vision for how Liverpool will play. Suarez and Dirk Kuyt excelled because of their ability to drag defenders into areas they felt uncomfortable. Five days later at home to Spurs, Liverpool were unrecognisable. Carroll led the line looking unfit and unsuited to the high-tempo game Dalglish wants. His movement was poor, his touch suspect and the balance of the team was badly affected. He could hide behind a troublesome knee injury which forced him out of the final game at Aston Villa, but in reality the end of the season came at the right time. Serious questions were starting to be raised about whether Carroll should be in the team at all. And it will not get any easier for him in August. Dalglish's summer transfer targets are designed to add more vibrancy in midfield and attack. Jordan Henderson will be as likely to play right midfield as central. Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam's likely arrival will raise the possibility of Dalglish favouring 4-3-3. The interest in Ipswich's Connor Wickham will offer more competition, although on the basis of their form at the end of last season Suarez and Kuyt are undroppable. So where will Carroll play? He will certainly offer a different option with his physical presence, but the Kop was anticipating much more for £35m. He is in danger of transforming himself from the new Alan Shearer into an impact sub. Still, there is no doubt that under Dalglish Carroll will be given the chance to thrive. "We did not sign Andy for six months, we signed him for six years," was the manager's response to any Carroll questions last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 He'll be back one day, of that I'm certain. Him and Liverpool is just an uneasy fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Read this earlier, must say i chuckled a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 ANDY CARROLL will return to Liverpool next month already facing a fight to prove he can fit into Kenny Dalglish's long-term plans. Carroll should have been leading the England Under-21 attack against Spain tonight. Instead, the Liverpool striker's summer holiday represents the calm before the storm as he readies himself for the most important season of his career. Just six months after Carroll's £35million move to Anfield from Newcastle, there are genuine concerns as to whether the striker has what it takes to make his time on Merseyside a success. The 22-year-old's lifestyle and lack of fitness are making many at the club fear he is destined to become an expensive mistake unless he can rid himself of bad habits and bad influences. The Geordie will be under intense pressure to start delivering in August after being given a relatively easy ride in his first six months at Liverpool. Although he scored twice, his fitness levels started to alarm the club during the climax to the campaign. His lack of contribution to the club's recovery from 12th to sixth under Dalglish slipped under the radar largely due to the impact of Luis Suarez. The Uruguayan, who signed on the same deadline day in January, was able to distract attention from the void left by Fernando Torres. There were plenty at Anfield who thought Carroll would have been better off in Denmark with the Under-21s rather than sunning himself on holiday And, while Torres was universally slammed for his difficulties settling at Stamford Bridge, it has been relatively ignored that, without Suarez's impact, the £35m spent on Carroll would have received much more damning scrutiny. Carroll, the eighth-most expensive footballer in history and the second-most expensive player playing for a British club behind Torres, was injured when he arrived and continued to pick up niggles during training. That was put down in part to his poor shape, which is not helped by his off-the-pitch routine. The striker has been described as a throwback to another era, but that applies to his social life as much as his style of play. Before arriving at Anfield his off-field reputation had eclipsed his impressive displays for Newcastle, for whom he scored 33 goals in 91 appearances. He was fined for a nightclub assault and also involved in a highly publicised training ground incident which left team-mate Steven Taylor with a broken jaw. Since arriving, he has been spotted celebrating Liverpool wins in city centre bars. The feeling is that close friends ought to be looking after him and warning him he will not survive at Anfield unless he oversees a massive change in approach. There were plenty at Anfield who thought Carroll would have been better off in Denmark with the Under-21s rather than sunning himself on holiday. But that would mean he'd miss the start of Liverpool's pre-season and Dalglish felt it could have done more harm than good. Instead, come the first week of July, the striker is likely to be worked like he has never been before. Those first few weeks of conditioning work will be the most crucial he will ever undertake. Should Carroll not emerge from that looking like a new player, it is no exaggeration to suggest his Liverpool career will be under immediate threat. The biggest problem will be how Carroll fits into a team which is to be built on youthful energy, movement and running opponents ragged. Serious questions were starting to be raised about whether Carroll should be in the team at all. And it will not get any easier for him in August Seven days at the end of last season exposed where Carroll's difficulties lie. In their penultimate away game at Fulham, the pace, athleticism and mobility of Dalglish's midfield and strike force demonstrated his long-term vision for how Liverpool will play. Suarez and Dirk Kuyt excelled because of their ability to drag defenders into areas they felt uncomfortable. Five days later at home to Spurs, Liverpool were unrecognisable. Carroll led the line looking unfit and unsuited to the high-tempo game Dalglish wants. His movement was poor, his touch suspect and the balance of the team was badly affected. He could hide behind a troublesome knee injury which forced him out of the final game at Aston Villa, but in reality the end of the season came at the right time. Serious questions were starting to be raised about whether Carroll should be in the team at all. And it will not get any easier for him in August. Dalglish's summer transfer targets are designed to add more vibrancy in midfield and attack. Jordan Henderson will be as likely to play right midfield as central. Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam's likely arrival will raise the possibility of Dalglish favouring 4-3-3. The interest in Ipswich's Connor Wickham will offer more competition, although on the basis of their form at the end of last season Suarez and Kuyt are undroppable. So where will Carroll play? He will certainly offer a different option with his physical presence, but the Kop was anticipating much more for £35m. He is in danger of transforming himself from the new Alan Shearer into an impact sub. Still, there is no doubt that under Dalglish Carroll will be given the chance to thrive. "We did not sign Andy for six months, we signed him for six years," was the manager's response to any Carroll questions last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Didn't take long for the best fans in the world to start grumbling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I still think there's no comparison between him and Shearer. Carroll will never be as good as Shearer was, he simply doesn't have the eye for goal that Shearer had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 He'll be back one day, of that I'm certain. Him and Liverpool is just an uneasy fit. I could see that like. Would probably take him back in a year or two tbh, still makes me sick seeing him in their shirt. Hope he fails Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Read this earlier, must say i chuckled a bit. Same, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Worth slapping in a cheeky £10m bid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Worth slapping in a cheeky £10m bid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Worth slapping in a cheeky £10m bid? Not worth it. I'd go for a sensible £2m bid and loan him back out to Hartlepool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Good. Hopefully his injuries will take some serious effect too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Maybe 5 million, no more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 wheres that from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I really want to hate the guy, but I can't. If he failed miserably at Liverpool I wouldn't take any pleasure in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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