Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Leon Best got a hat trick. Triple his weekly wages? You havent answered my last post to you mate. You should find it quite easy, dunno why you're still having a go otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pardew said in his press conference Carroll wanted new deal now, not prepared to wait til summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Leon Best got a hat trick. Triple his weekly wages? You havent answered my last post to you mate. You should find it quite easy, dunno why you're still having a go otherwise There's only so many ways I can say that re-negotiating a contract a few months into his current contract is bad business. No matter how much his 'valuation' has sky rocketed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Jayson, while you're continuing your "market value theory", I wanna say, in real world, we cannot adjust the wage downwards. If we always re-negotiate the contract with the players when they want, the wages will only go higher and higher and we will definitely go bankrupt. I already answered to that, obviously you make the decision based on what you view the players potential to be. If you expect him to keep improving ofcourse you negotiate his contract. If Carroll wasnt a young lad who had improved ridiculously in the last few months then i wouldnt necessarily be arguing that we should have listened to him atall. OK, I have had enough, Jayson, sorry, we aren't Man City. Your plan is always right - just not applicable to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I don't really hold Carroll responsible in this farce. Seems like he would have been more than content to stay. It's the fucking overspending in modern football and greedy agents. that corrupts the sports, players and clubs alike. Don't blame the player, blame the game! Can't help thinking he could have been a new Shearer-like icon for the club. I hope all the best for the kid (just not that human garbage club he is going to play for). Bring on the financial fair game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Those texts are Carroll trying to scramble back any credit he has with the fans left. They are texts which his Agent probably told him to do to save face. He needs to say this in public before I'll believe it. You'll believe him if he says it out loud, but not in a text? Gosh! Maybe because we don't even know or seen any proof that the text is from him! This is basically 3rd party information of someone who for all we know just wants to get some attention. Have you seen the text or has Carrol even said anything about the text? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew has said he was offered to renegotiate in the summer last night. Carroll turned the offer down apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. With you there, man. Can't say I trust any of them more than one another tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Leon Best got a hat trick. Triple his weekly wages? You havent answered my last post to you mate. You should find it quite easy, dunno why you're still having a go otherwise There's only so many ways I can say that re-negotiating a contract a few months into his current contract is bad business. No matter how much his 'valuation' has sky rocketed. Well you havent actually explained how itd be bad business in this situation. And as i said before Tottenham did this with Bale just recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If Carroll did demand a new contract now and not wait until the summer. Then most of the blame has to go onto him and his agent for this. They've tried the old trick which Tevez and Rooney used. Fact is, I wouldn't have given him a new contract now as well as it just struck as pure utter greed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 0. Club is happy to keep Carroll; Carroll is happy to stay. 1. £30m bid comes in from Liverpool. 2. £30m bid considered but rejected. 3. Carroll's agent starts talking to Liverpool regarding potential wages etc. 4. Carroll and agent go back to NUFC effectively saying 'Look, you now believe I'm worth more than £30m. As such I'm being offered twice the wages. You going to do anything about it?' 5. Club say no to any contract renewal, and tell player if he wants to leave to get those wages he'll have to request a transfer. 6. Player feels rejected and starts to think moving to Liverpool is a good idea, probably fueled by agent dreaming about his hefty cut. 7. £35m bid comes in. 8. NUFC seriously consider it. 9. Carroll sees this as confirmation they want to sell him, so asks to leave. 10. £35m bid accepted. 11. Deal done. If people want to blame someone, it should start with Carroll's agent. This is roughly how the whole thing probably played out and the agent was probably pushing each step to conclusion. I mean, he probably got a cracking fee from Liverpool. He also engineered the the 6th (?!!!!!) largest transfer fee to date (for a high potential but largely unproven player). Not only does the agent get some cash in his pocket and a big ego boost if he facilitated this whole scenario I suspect he'll add some heavy hitters to his client list. See, this could be bad for three out of the four parties. NUFC get what could have been a local legend pulled out from under them. Liverpool spunk big money on what could be a spectacular flop for the money and the player goes to a club still in trouble with the burden of a huge transfer fee over his head. The only one who definitely comes out good is the agent. Maybe it works out for all four parties. Still, the only sure bet for a happy ending is the agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 OK, I have had enough, Jayson, sorry, we aren't Man City. Your plan is always right - just not applicable to us. We dont need to be man city to negotiate with this specific player. Id hope that if we had enough players being massively valued by other clubs that were worth negotiating with that our club would be doing pretty well by that point anyway. Otherwise, it would ofcourse make sense not to negotiate with them & take the money as we did with Carroll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Leon Best got a hat trick. Triple his weekly wages? You havent answered my last post to you mate. You should find it quite easy, dunno why you're still having a go otherwise There's only so many ways I can say that re-negotiating a contract a few months into his current contract is bad business. No matter how much his 'valuation' has sky rocketed. Agree in principle, but it is quite normal for young players to get new contracts as they make a name for themselves. He has gone from being a young prospect in the championship to being a top premiership striker and England international (hence the 35m valuation). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. Nobody is lying. We offered to renegotiate in the summer. Carroll felt he deserved a new offer immediately to match or get close to Liverpools offer otherwise he felt he had no choice (financially) but to move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Was Carroll told how much Liverpool were willing to pay him before he asked for the new contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. With you there, man. Can't say I trust any of them more than one another tbh. I trust Andy a hell of a lot more than Derek tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew has said he was offered to renegotiate in the summer last night. Carroll turned the offer down apparently. Carroll himself has already claimed he was 'talking' about a new contract, and was then told no new contract when the first bid came in, and he asked 'why'. So, it appears he was looking for improvement now, and not prepared to wait until the summer. For those talking about his wage increase being based upon potential/new valuation - remember he is currently injured - we could have bumped his wage now, and he may not have played much more this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we did want to keep him, as clearly our most valuable player I'd have hoped we would have been able to come to some compromise on the contract. Even if it was just a promise to review his contract in the summer, additional performance-related bonuses until then or something. It sounds like we just refused to budge, that's what disappoints me the most. Pardew, in an interview on SSN, said they told Carroll they'd review the contract in the summer, but he wanted it yesterday. I didn't imagine that, did I? Ah right, I'm at work. Well even so, if both parties wanted him to stay then you'd think they could agree something. Someone is lying, that's all. With you there, man. Can't say I trust any of them more than one another tbh. I trust Andy a hell of a lot more than Derek tbh. The same andy that has said he asked for new contract. That is fact, and fits in with most of Pardews views of Events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Disagree. Spurs current team is worth around £200m in transfermoney spend alone. Not much wheeler-dealer in that... Bentley around £17m Bent 16,5m Keane 16m Defoe 15m Pavlyuchenko 14m Palacios 12m Hutton 9m Gio 8,6m Just to name a few of from the current team.. They are spending like crazy. Don't know where the f*** they get all that money. Current team????? Maybe I'm not expressing myself very clear. Not my homelanguage :-) Sorry. Bent was a miss. Got blinded by this other article I read. Keane from Leeds for about 12m, sold to Liverpool 19-20m, bought back 15-16m. And both him, Bentley and Gio is still only out on loan. And won't get anything near what they paid in the first place... Check it yourself if you wanna. I've looked up every player in there current squad, and even though their price often is mediaspeculation - on the lowside it still ends up being £200m in transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Collymore on Twitter: If a player has a 5 year contract,or 6 month contract,he doesn't have to go anywhere.He always will have the final say.This is fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 sky had the fee at 30m before i noticed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 0. Club is happy to keep Carroll; Carroll is happy to stay. 1. £30m bid comes in from Liverpool. 2. £30m bid considered but rejected. 3. Carroll's agent starts talking to Liverpool regarding potential wages etc. 4. Carroll and agent go back to NUFC effectively saying 'Look, you now believe I'm worth more than £30m. As such I'm being offered twice the wages. You going to do anything about it?' 5. Club say no to any contract renewal, and tell player if he wants to leave to get those wages he'll have to request a transfer. 6. Player feels rejected and starts to think moving to Liverpool is a good idea, probably fueled by agent dreaming about his hefty cut. 7. £35m bid comes in. 8. NUFC seriously consider it. 9. Carroll sees this as confirmation they want to sell him, so asks to leave. 10. £35m bid accepted. 11. Deal done. If people want to blame someone, it should start with Carroll's agent. This is roughly how the whole thing probably played out and the agent was probably pushing each step to conclusion. I mean, he probably got a cracking fee from Liverpool. He also engineered the the 6th (?!!!!!) largest transfer fee to date (for a high potential but largely unproven player). Not only does the agent get some cash in his pocket and a big ego boost if he facilitated this whole scenario I suspect he'll add some heavy hitters to his client list. See, this could be bad for three out of the four parties. NUFC get what could have been a local legend pulled out from under them. Liverpool spunk big money on what could be a spectacular flop for the money and the player goes to a club still in trouble with the burden of a huge transfer fee over his head. The only one who definitely comes out good is the agent. Maybe it works out for all four parties. Still, the only sure bet for a happy ending is the agent. You speak sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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