Wullie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "Go back" to having a player who's not as good. Fair enough if he's five million and accepts that his role is five minutes at the end if those two haven't already won the match, which they tend to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If we're talking about dressing room harmony, his best mates are all gone, better players have taken his place and his shirt and if I was Tim Krul, I wouldn't be happy playing with him after what he tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 "Go back" to having a player who's not as good. Fair enough if he's five million and accepts that his role is five minutes at the end if those two haven't already won the match, which they tend to. I'm with you on he isn't as good as Ba and Cisse. I'm a little worried a Ba, he doesn't have a very good track record of staying in one place. The one thing i do think we have to have is THREE, maybe even four top strikers as we are in 4 competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'd pick Ba and Cisse. Not even an argument to be made for me. We were catapulted from nowhere by those two, they're exceptional at scoring every type of goal, link up play, everything. Can't believe anyone who watched the Premier League and NUFC last year would want to go back. You're making it sound like we're trading the pair for Carroll if we do a deal. Going back FFS.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If we're talking about dressing room harmony, his best mates are all gone, better players have taken his place and his shirt and if I was Tim Krul, I wouldn't be happy playing with him after what he tried. The dive will be forgotten, unfortunately is part of football and all the players accept it as so. Which believe me i hate more than Jabba laying in the other room eating a bowl of ferrero rocher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If we're talking about dressing room harmony, his best mates are all gone, better players have taken his place and his shirt and if I was Tim Krul, I wouldn't be happy playing with him after what he tried. The dive will be forgotten, unfortunately is part of football and all the players except as so. Which believe me i hate more than Jabba laying in the other room eating a bowl of ferrero rocher. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 When I saw this thread title from the home page I thought we were being linked with some Nigerian kid or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We clearly need another striker but imo should be looking for someone pacey and able to operate wide in the 4-3-3 because both Ba and Cisse can play at the tip but we don't have many options either side past Ba and HBA. We also don't have wide players or full backs who can deliver a cross. Nothing about Carroll fits our game now IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We clearly need another striker but imo should be looking for someone pacey and able to operate wide in the 4-3-3 because both Ba and Cisse can play at the tip but we don't have many options either side past Ba and HBA. We also don't have wide players or full backs who can deliver a cross. Nothing about Carroll fits our game now IMO. Totally agree about a striker with pace and movement which makes me wonder why we haven't gone back in for Maiga, he can play across all three positions up top. Guess its a ANC thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If we're talking about dressing room harmony, his best mates are all gone, better players have taken his place and his shirt and if I was Tim Krul, I wouldn't be happy playing with him after what he tried. The dive will be forgotten, unfortunately is part of football and all the players except as so. Which believe me i hate more than Jabba laying in the other room eating a bowl of ferrero rocher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'd pick Ba and Cisse. Not even an argument to be made for me. We were catapulted from nowhere by those two, they're exceptional at scoring every type of goal, link up play, everything. Can't believe anyone who watched the Premier League and NUFC last year would want to go back. You're making it sound like we're trading the pair for Carroll if we do a deal. Going back FFS.. So you accept that when they're both fit and available (did either have a single injury last season), he sits on the bench? As I understand it, there's a decent chance they won't qualify for the ACON either as they play Ivory Coast, is that right? Genuine question, I've been away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'd pick Ba and Cisse. Not even an argument to be made for me. We were catapulted from nowhere by those two, they're exceptional at scoring every type of goal, link up play, everything. Can't believe anyone who watched the Premier League and NUFC last year would want to go back. You're making it sound like we're trading the pair for Carroll if we do a deal. Going back FFS.. So you accept that when they're both fit and available (did either have a single injury last season), he sits on the bench? As I understand it, there's a decent chance they won't qualify for the ACON either as they play Ivory Coast, is that right? Genuine question, I've been away. Aye, they play Ivory Coast in a play off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We clearly need another striker but imo should be looking for someone pacey and able to operate wide in the 4-3-3 because both Ba and Cisse can play at the tip but we don't have many options either side past Ba and HBA. We also don't have wide players or full backs who can deliver a cross. Nothing about Carroll fits our game now IMO. It's easy to suggest "someone pacey and able to operate wide in the 4-3-3", it's proved a lot harder to actually come up with a name that's a major improvement over what we have and who is willing to come here. It looks like Hoilett's just turned us down for crying out loud, so I would like to challenge you: name names. Also, you seem to have fallen face first for the "tall = needs crosses" fallacy. Thought you were better than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Poor Mrs bimpy I'm not having that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yup, one of the problems had been folk suggesting the pacey striker who can play wide but who? Not even those who hammer Champ Man and watch ESPN 24/7 have been able to come up with this ideal player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'd pick Ba and Cisse. Not even an argument to be made for me. We were catapulted from nowhere by those two, they're exceptional at scoring every type of goal, link up play, everything. Can't believe anyone who watched the Premier League and NUFC last year would want to go back. You're making it sound like we're trading the pair for Carroll if we do a deal. Going back FFS.. So you accept that when they're both fit and available (did either have a single injury last season), he sits on the bench? If Pardew feels a starting formation of 433 is the best way to go, yeah probably. How many times has that happened last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yup, one of the problems had been folk suggesting the pacey striker who can play wide but who? Not even those who hammer Champ Man and watch ESPN 24/7 have been able to come up with this ideal player. Scott Sinclair (not good enough for me but the type of player i mean) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We clearly need another striker but imo should be looking for someone pacey and able to operate wide in the 4-3-3 because both Ba and Cisse can play at the tip but we don't have many options either side past Ba and HBA. We also don't have wide players or full backs who can deliver a cross. Nothing about Carroll fits our game now IMO. It's easy to suggest "someone pacey and able to operate wide in the 4-3-3", it's proved a lot harder to actually come up with a name that's a major improvement over what we have and who is willing to come here. It looks like Hoilett's just turned us down for crying out loud, so I would like to challenge you: name names. Also, you seem to have fallen face first for the "tall = needs crosses" fallacy. Thought you were better than that. Of course Carroll needs crosses. I thought you were bigging him up on the basis of how he played for NUFC first time round. His aerial prowess was about £30m worth of that £35m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yup, one of the problems had been folk suggesting the pacey striker who can play wide but who? Not even those who hammer Champ Man and watch ESPN 24/7 have been able to come up with this ideal player. Scott Sinclair (not good enough for me but the type of player i mean) So not Scott Sinclair then.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Would still probably need a central striker if we signed someone "like" Sinclair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yup, one of the problems had been folk suggesting the pacey striker who can play wide but who? Not even those who hammer Champ Man and watch ESPN 24/7 have been able to come up with this ideal player. I suggested Kevin Mirallas, actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'd pick Ba and Cisse. Not even an argument to be made for me. We were catapulted from nowhere by those two, they're exceptional at scoring every type of goal, link up play, everything. Can't believe anyone who watched the Premier League and NUFC last year would want to go back. You're making it sound like we're trading the pair for Carroll if we do a deal. Going back FFS.. So you accept that when they're both fit and available (did either have a single injury last season), he sits on the bench? If Pardew feels a starting formation of 433 is the best way to go, yeah probably. How many times has that happened last season? You'd seriously drop Ba or Cisse for him in a 4-4-2? All about opinions but i think that's barmy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yup, one of the problems had been folk suggesting the pacey striker who can play wide but who? Not even those who hammer Champ Man and watch ESPN 24/7 have been able to come up with this ideal player. Scott Sinclair (not good enough for me but the type of player i mean) So not Scott Sinclair then.. Dont mind looking at his bird, cracking set of knockers like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 What we are seemingly trying to do is bring Carroll back on a season long loan, with an option to buy at our discretion if reports are to be believed. It's hardly shelling out a huge fee in that context; it could be construed as the exact opposite: we get a quality striker for a nominal loan fee and if he turns out to be a success we have an option to bring him in on a pre-agreed fee just when the new TV money kicks in, allowing us to use this year's budget in other positions that need strengthening. As to where he fits in the side? I think he would be one of our 3 main strikers who would be played in a 442 or 433 depending on the opposition or the situation in a game. As such he would get plenty of game time, but wouldn't necessarily be an automatic starter. as i said, i'd take him on a loan, but even then, there would still be a hint of uneasiness from us until i could see how Pardew planned to line us up this season. fwiw im not sure Carroll has enough in his locker to lead the line on his own - he always looked better paired with shola. Again, we're talking about a loan fee in the first instance. I'm perfectly comfortable with us seeing how it pans out and paying £12-13m if he manager to recapture his previous form with us and proves a good fit in the squad. I don't see why anybody wouldn't, as we can't really lose. If he doesn't hit those heights or kicks up a fuss we send him packing. Agreed. however, i'm a bit wary of the fact that Carroll isn't just any old player. i remember some of shearer's final years and how being such an icon wasn't always to the advantage of the team as a whole - especially when we had Bellamy carted out. Now that's not a slight on Shearer, i love the man, and I loved Carroll here and probably rate him higher than most forumers do - but i am uneasy about this kind of marquee, iconic move for someone who is not going to be first choice. Secondly, as explained above, he would hardly be a back up option from the bench in my opinion, especially considering we're looking at potentially 55+ matches and he brings something very different to the table that may come in handy in specific situations where our plan A doesn't work (either based on Pardew's pre-match analysis or how it pans out on the pitch). Sure, if he comes in off the bench in 20 odd games and starts 6 or 7 in a 4-4-2 in tailored matchesalong with cup and european games then i'd be fine with that. just not sure that's worth a potentially large fee. I'm not overly concerned about this to be honest. Firstly because he's a much better footballer than some on here give him credit for, secondly because this team set up and how it contrasts with how we've played earlier in the season or even when Carroll was here is massively overplayed. I seriously can't see how Cabaye, Cisse and Ben Arfa suddenly could no longer play to the best of their ability with Carroll in the squad. Maybe you could explain to me how this would work? Put it this way, i'd rather spend a big fee on a Remy type (not saying him in particular) player than Carroll - a player who is both good enough to directly challenge any of our front three AND fit into a pre-existing system. If we need another brute up front to go with Shola, let's try and get one on the cheap. I see our first team forward line with Carroll as something like this: Ba Cisse Ben Arfa Ba Carroll Shola (supersub/mackem slayer) It's clear where the gaps are, as i consider Marv and Jonas, players now older or curtailed by injury, to be more effective in the middle 3rd of the pitch. A Remy type player on the other hand looks more like this: Ba Cisse Ben Arfa Remy Ba Remy Remy Shola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Would still probably need a central striker if we signed someone "like" Sinclair. That Ba and Cisse surely ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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