Parsley Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Could it be worth the risk? - We're in desperate times and need more of a character at the forefront to keep morale high. For me Owen just isn't vocal enough and while I can accept that he leads by example, that's difficult to do when his role is purely scoring goals and Barton's is to win tackles. I think seeing Barton winning challenges will inspire the midfield, our big problem area, more than seeing Owen beat the offside trap only to miss his daily sitter. - He's already captained Man City. - Owen's off in the summer anyway so any dissuasion caused might not count for much. - Barton can communicate with the players and drive them, I'm not convinced Owen can. I've never seen Owen pep up the team like Barton did before West Brom while he's been captain. Obviously it has some big drawbacks in that the media would have an orgy over it and it could push Owen out the door when we desperately need his goals. I'd also like to point out that I think Owen's a terrific player but while it made sense for KK to hand him the captaincy last season, circumstances have chanegd massively and perhaps giving Barton the armband could give the players the morale boost they need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yes, why not. He has bucketloads of pride, hates losing and doesn't take any shit. That might make him a bit of a mental off the pitch but it's the kind of attitude we need on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 no, no a million times no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 no. i dont trust him enough to represent the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. While I don't advocating him beating up his own team-mates, at least he shows some emotion. Michael Owen looks like he is bored stiff and just waiting for Man City to come and get him. How inspirational and motivational that must be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest uma Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 no! shay Given for me!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. While I don't advocating him beating up his own team-mates, at least he shows some emotion. Michael Owen looks like he is bored stiff and just waiting for Man City to come and get him. How inspirational and motivational that must be! An ineffective captain is better than a captain that has a negative effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. Fair point but it at least shows that he's willing to put his point across and try to change things. Owen seems to just give up with the rest of the team and do nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 It should be Beye btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. While I don't advocating him beating up his own team-mates, at least he shows some emotion. Michael Owen looks like he is bored stiff and just waiting for Man City to come and get him. How inspirational and motivational that must be! An ineffective captain is better than a captain that has a negative effect. What are you on about? How can Owen's glaring desire to leave this club be seen as anything but a negative effect? What does Owen actually do in a match when he doesn't score to gee the lads on? Have you seen how annonymous he is when he doesn't have the ball? There is no one man bigger than this club, even England's Michael Owen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 His hatred in losing and desire to win is one thing. His anger when he loses and the way he takes it out on players, or slags them off on the radio, or smacks them on a training ground is another. He has the Souness attitude. It works when a player works to his own morals, but it doesnt when he forces them upon others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 yes Baye should be Captain but my left nutt may as well be, would make about the same amount of difference to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 His hatred in losing and desire to win is one thing. His anger when he loses and the way he takes it out on players, or slags them off on the radio, or smacks them on a training ground is another. He has the Souness attitude. It works when a player works to his own morals, but it doesnt when he forces them upon others. Who's to say he's still like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm not sure who it should be. Really it needs to be whoever has the respect of the changing room, someone who Joe trusts, someone with good organisational skills, and someone who can communicate with everyone effectively. Without actually knowing any of the players I have no idea who best fits that description... but I really can't see it being Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Give it to him for the few games he plays before 'something' else makes him miss stack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. While I don't advocating him beating up his own team-mates, at least he shows some emotion. Michael Owen looks like he is bored stiff and just waiting for Man City to come and get him. How inspirational and motivational that must be! An ineffective captain is better than a captain that has a negative effect. What are you on about? How can Owen's glaring desire to leave this club be seen as anything but a negative effect? What does Owen actually do in a match when he doesn't score to gee the lads on? Have you seen how annonymous he is when he doesn't have the ball? There is no one man bigger than this club, even England's Michael Owen! I can only assume you didn't see the game today. Whenever we broke through their back line it was usually down to Owen finding some space in behind. This "glaring desire" to leave is entirely your own opinion, by the way. Everything he's said so far has been to the contrary and the club has only recent started contract talks with him. On the other hand you have Barton who is quite clearly a twat of a man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alankhaw Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Good call. The press will have a field day though but I couldn't give a damn what they say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 better than owen. But I see Beye as a better choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'd rather fry my own foreskin in garlic butter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'd rather fry my own foreskin in garlic butter I'd rather support Newcastle United! Oh.. wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He came on today and started roughing up our own left back. I'm not sure making him captain would be such a morale booster for the team. While I don't advocating him beating up his own team-mates, at least he shows some emotion. Michael Owen looks like he is bored stiff and just waiting for Man City to come and get him. How inspirational and motivational that must be! An ineffective captain is better than a captain that has a negative effect. What are you on about? How can Owen's glaring desire to leave this club be seen as anything but a negative effect? What does Owen actually do in a match when he doesn't score to gee the lads on? Have you seen how annonymous he is when he doesn't have the ball? There is no one man bigger than this club, even England's Michael Owen! I can only assume you didn't see the game today. Whenever we broke through their back line it was usually down to Owen finding some space in behind. This "glaring desire" to leave is entirely your own opinion, by the way. Everything he's said so far has been to the contrary and the club has only recent started contract talks with him. On the other hand you have Barton who is quite clearly a twat of a man. No I didn't see or hear the game today. But I have seen plenty others. The glaring desire I speak of is to wait about talking about his contract until he is a free agent. Surely if he wanted to be at the club (and he claims money is not the object) then his agent can negotiate the deal and he can sign it. His refusal to sort out the deal until the summer points towards the fact that he doesn't want to be here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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