The Kevin Keegan thread

[cp40]

The abilty of the Ashley bummers to quote selectively and hang onto a dead position has been exceptional.

[Dave]

True it is that he was plainly unhappy with some aspects at the Club, in particular the small size of the squad and the lack of signings which he believed were required to bolster its size, both of which were making him frustrated, and true it is that he plainly had a difficult relationship with Mr Wise and Mr Jimenez but we are satisfied that what triggered his resignation was the Club’s signing of Gonzalez notwithstanding Mr Keegan’s strong opposition to it. Both at the time and to us he described the Gonzalez signing as the final straw and the evidence shows that the Club appreciated that proceeding with it against this wishes might well lead to his resignation.

 

Keegan wasn't happy anyway. Gonzalez was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

i doubt keegan thought he'd ever see anything even remotely close to £25m, that's a figure his lawyers will have figured out knowing that Keegan wanted to fight back as hard as he could. as it turned out, keegan was happy to settle for what he thought was the fair figure of £2m which was written into his contract, and chose not to press the 'stigma' thingy instead happy to have a report published which upheld his good name and humiliated those at fault. honestly bob, youre rapidly losing credibility by attacking keegan on these small points and yet speaking little or nothing about the absolute disgraces that are the liars in charge at our club.

 

It is absolutely clear that Keegan did not willingly drop his claim for the other £23 million. He attempted to overturn the clause in his contract that specified his compensation at £2 million. When his claim for that was dismissed, he accepted that there was no point in carrying on. The tribunal actually went on to say that even if they had been asked to pronounce on the question of damages to his reputation and future earnings, he would not have been given anything.

 

If he had been 'happy to accept the £2 million', he wouldn't have launched the other parts of the claim in the first place.

 

A lot of posters seem to think that just because Ashley and co have been criticised, that Keegan is completely in the right, not just in law, but in moral terms. As far as I'm concerned, he's won 1 out of 3 of his legal battles, and lost the moral ground completely.

 

I tell you, quite honestly, I was surprised by what has emerged. It was looking like the only player that could possibly have been foisted on him against his wishes was Gonzalez, but like many people I couldn't quite believe that Keegan would resign over that one loan signing. I thought that maybe there had to be something dodgy about Xisco's arrival or maybe one or two of the others - that Keegan had perhaps bitten his tongue over a number of weeks and then finally cracked. If many others on here were to be honest, they'd admit to that as well. It now appears that he was involved in all the other incomings and it all rested on the one minor instance, where I suspect Wise and co had lost patience with the bloke and acted in haste and in temper.

 

I also didn't believe the £25 million story when it hit the papers. I didn't think it was a smear from the club, but I thought it was just a wild piece of tabloid speculation. I thought it was a ridiculous amount to claim and again I think if many people on here were being honest they would admit that they were harbouring the same doubts.

 

Both elements of the story have turned out to be true and I'm a bit disgusted. My regard for the bloke, never high at the start, has gone down even further, if that's possible. I strongly suspect that, deep down, many of those who have supported Keegan throughout all this have also had their confidence dented, whether they are prepared to admit it to themselves or not.

 

You've got it wrong this time mate.

 

I would have thought no less of KK had he been awarded the full amount should the tribunal have found his case to be just!

 

You are coming across as an Ashley sympathiser

[NJS]

those who have supported Keegan throughout all this have also had their confidence dented, whether they are prepared to admit it to themselves or not.

 

Don't fucking speak for me - you've picked up on one possible negative angle whereas 359 of the others prove Keegan right and your "I don't really support him" bum chum wrong.

 

 

[Dave]

It follows that we do not accept the Club’s case which is that Mr Keegan resigned because he could not continue to operate within the structure of the Club and that the Gonzalez deal may have represented a convenient excuse for him to do so. First, he told us, and we accept, that he wanted to stay at the Club. Secondly, there were very good reasons for him to want to do so. He had a valuable Contract worth £3m for the first year, £3.2m for year two and £3.4m for year three, plus benefits and he was managing a Club about which he clearly felt passionately and whose fans supported him no less passionately. Thirdly, the Club had had an encouraging start to the new season: in the Premiership, they had drawn away to Manchester United and then won at home to Bolton and in the Carling Cup they had since won away at Coventry. True it is that they had just lost away at Arsenal but that cannot have come as any great surprise. And the atmosphere in the dressing room was described as excellent. Finally, as we set out in more detail below, he was being told by the Club that they wanted him to stay.

 

What do you make of that part Bobyule? It's almost as though it addresses your concerns directly.

[Thespence]

lost the moral ground completely.

 

Tbf you were never going to change your opion regardless of the result.

 

I tell you, quite honestly, I was surprised by what has emerged. It was looking like the only player that could possibly have been foisted on him against his wishes was Gonzalez,

 

You cleary missed the point when they wrote:

 

6. Although we heard a considerable amount of evidence as to events which took place

in the months which followed Mr Keegan’s appointment, in view of our conclusions,

we can proceed at once to the events which culminated in Mr Keegan’s resignation on

4 September 2008.

 

So we have not got the full blow by blow account of other goings on such as the Xisco/Milner/Bassong deals, the summer 2008 pow wow in London or if KK was demanding Henry, Lampard etc Because they are only giving us the details of  events of which culminateed in KK resigning on 04/09/2008 which was the last last straw or as they say in South America the last Nacho.

 

[Big Geordie]

I'm bemused by the stance of the Keegan haters/pro Ashley brigade. Just what does the latter have to do to this club before they wake up and smell the coffee?

[Dave]

I'm bemused by the stance of the Keegan haters/pro Ashley brigade. Just what does the latter have to do to this club before they wake up and smell the coffee?

 

To be fair I don't think anyone is pro-Ashley any more. It's not an either/or situation for some it seems.

[dcmk]

I'm bemused by the stance of the Keegan haters/pro Ashley brigade. Just what does the latter have to do to this club before they wake up and smell the coffee?

 

Run across the football pitch naked?

[Thespence]

I'm bemused by the stance of the Keegan haters/pro Ashley brigade. Just what does the latter have to do to this club before they wake up and smell the coffee?

 

Lambiarse & other have been good at selling it as NEWCASTLE UNITED V KEEGAN & if he wins were in the shit, so you cant blame people for buying the spin.

[Big Geordie]

I'm bemused by the stance of the Keegan haters/pro Ashley brigade. Just what does the latter have to do to this club before they wake up and smell the coffee?

 

Lambiarse & other have been good at selling it as NEWCASTLE UNITED V KEEGAN & if he wins were in the s***, so you cant blame people for buying the spin.

 

They haven't been 'good' though. The people who believed that rubbish were surely in the minority as well as people/fans involved with other clubs? I think it's the latter that Llambias will have been targetting.

[Cronky]

those who have supported Keegan throughout all this have also had their confidence dented, whether they are prepared to admit it to themselves or not.

 

Don't fucking speak for me - you've picked up on one possible negative angle whereas 359 of the others prove Keegan right and your "I don't really support him" bum chum wrong.

 

 

 

I said 'many of those' rather than 'those'. Care to explain why you chopped that bit out?

[Cronky]

i doubt keegan thought he'd ever see anything even remotely close to £25m, that's a figure his lawyers will have figured out knowing that Keegan wanted to fight back as hard as he could. as it turned out, keegan was happy to settle for what he thought was the fair figure of £2m which was written into his contract, and chose not to press the 'stigma' thingy instead happy to have a report published which upheld his good name and humiliated those at fault. honestly bob, youre rapidly losing credibility by attacking keegan on these small points and yet speaking little or nothing about the absolute disgraces that are the liars in charge at our club.

 

It is absolutely clear that Keegan did not willingly drop his claim for the other £23 million. He attempted to overturn the clause in his contract that specified his compensation at £2 million. When his claim for that was dismissed, he accepted that there was no point in carrying on. The tribunal actually went on to say that even if they had been asked to pronounce on the question of damages to his reputation and future earnings, he would not have been given anything.

 

If he had been 'happy to accept the £2 million', he wouldn't have launched the other parts of the claim in the first place.

 

A lot of posters seem to think that just because Ashley and co have been criticised, that Keegan is completely in the right, not just in law, but in moral terms. As far as I'm concerned, he's won 1 out of 3 of his legal battles, and lost the moral ground completely.

 

I tell you, quite honestly, I was surprised by what has emerged. It was looking like the only player that could possibly have been foisted on him against his wishes was Gonzalez, but like many people I couldn't quite believe that Keegan would resign over that one loan signing. I thought that maybe there had to be something dodgy about Xisco's arrival or maybe one or two of the others - that Keegan had perhaps bitten his tongue over a number of weeks and then finally cracked. If many others on here were to be honest, they'd admit to that as well. It now appears that he was involved in all the other incomings and it all rested on the one minor instance, where I suspect Wise and co had lost patience with the bloke and acted in haste and in temper.

 

I also didn't believe the £25 million story when it hit the papers. I didn't think it was a smear from the club, but I thought it was just a wild piece of tabloid speculation. I thought it was a ridiculous amount to claim and again I think if many people on here were being honest they would admit that they were harbouring the same doubts.

 

Both elements of the story have turned out to be true and I'm a bit disgusted. My regard for the bloke, never high at the start, has gone down even further, if that's possible. I strongly suspect that, deep down, many of those who have supported Keegan throughout all this have also had their confidence dented, whether they are prepared to admit it to themselves or not.

 

You've got it wrong this time mate.

 

I would have thought no less of KK had he been awarded the full amount should the tribunal have found his case to be just!

 

You are coming across as an Ashley sympathiser

 

And seeing that the tribunal has found his claim for the full amount to be unjust, has that affected your opinion of him?

[cp40]

Bobyule is scraping the bottom of the barrel , of the bottom barrell, from an almost bottomless pit ,of barrels.

[Paully]

Bobyule is scraping the bottom of the barrel , of the bottom barrell, from an almost bottomless pit ,of barrels.

 

I think he is Mike Ashley!

[Guest icemanblue]

 

He really is.

[Thespence]

It is like the legend that was NE5 defence of Shepherd.

 

 

[Cronky]

True it is that he was plainly unhappy with some aspects at the Club, in particular the small size of the squad and the lack of signings which he believed were required to bolster its size, both of which were making him frustrated, and true it is that he plainly had a difficult relationship with Mr Wise and Mr Jimenez but we are satisfied that what triggered his resignation was the Club’s signing of Gonzalez notwithstanding Mr Keegan’s strong opposition to it. Both at the time and to us he described the Gonzalez signing as the final straw and the evidence shows that the Club appreciated that proceeding with it against this wishes might well lead to his resignation.

 

Keegan wasn't happy anyway. Gonzalez was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It follows that we do not accept the Club’s case which is that Mr Keegan resigned because he could not continue to operate within the structure of the Club and that the Gonzalez deal may have represented a convenient excuse for him to do so. First, he told us, and we accept, that he wanted to stay at the Club. Secondly, there were very good reasons for him to want to do so. He had a valuable Contract worth £3m for the first year, £3.2m for year two and £3.4m for year three, plus benefits and he was managing a Club about which he clearly felt passionately and whose fans supported him no less passionately. Thirdly, the Club had had an encouraging start to the new season: in the Premiership, they had drawn away to Manchester United and then won at home to Bolton and in the Carling Cup they had since won away at Coventry. True it is that they had just lost away at Arsenal but that cannot have come as any great surprise. And the atmosphere in the dressing room was described as excellent. Finally, as we set out in more detail below, he was being told by the Club that they wanted him to stay.

 

What do you make of that part Bobyule? It's almost as though it addresses your concerns directly.

 

Well the first extract, by saying that Gonzalez's signing was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' implies that there were, in fact, other reasons for Keegan's resignation besides the Gonzalez issue - namely his bad relationship with Wise and Co and the small size of the transfer budget.

 

The second extract puts forward the Ashley viewpoint, that the Gonzalez deal was just an excuse. Although the tribunal rejects that, those two statements aren't exactly a million miles apart, are they? It actually boils down to a matter of opinion, rather than fact here.

 

The way I see it, Keegan wasn't happy working with a DOF, despite the fact that he accepted the system when he joined. He also wanted more money spent. No-one who has followed Keegan's career would be surprised at either of those.

 

The Gonzalez signing offered him the chance to get out with what he hoped would be a large amount of compensation. I don't see it as a 'final straw', more a golden opportunity. That's the only area where we seem to differ.

[Guest icemanblue]

True it is that he was plainly unhappy with some aspects at the Club, in particular the small size of the squad and the lack of signings which he believed were required to bolster its size, both of which were making him frustrated, and true it is that he plainly had a difficult relationship with Mr Wise and Mr Jimenez but we are satisfied that what triggered his resignation was the Club’s signing of Gonzalez notwithstanding Mr Keegan’s strong opposition to it. Both at the time and to us he described the Gonzalez signing as the final straw and the evidence shows that the Club appreciated that proceeding with it against this wishes might well lead to his resignation.

 

Keegan wasn't happy anyway. Gonzalez was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It follows that we do not accept the Club’s case which is that Mr Keegan resigned because he could not continue to operate within the structure of the Club and that the Gonzalez deal may have represented a convenient excuse for him to do so. First, he told us, and we accept, that he wanted to stay at the Club. Secondly, there were very good reasons for him to want to do so. He had a valuable Contract worth £3m for the first year, £3.2m for year two and £3.4m for year three, plus benefits and he was managing a Club about which he clearly felt passionately and whose fans supported him no less passionately. Thirdly, the Club had had an encouraging start to the new season: in the Premiership, they had drawn away to Manchester United and then won at home to Bolton and in the Carling Cup they had since won away at Coventry. True it is that they had just lost away at Arsenal but that cannot have come as any great surprise. And the atmosphere in the dressing room was described as excellent. Finally, as we set out in more detail below, he was being told by the Club that they wanted him to stay.

 

What do you make of that part Bobyule? It's almost as though it addresses your concerns directly.

 

Well the first extract, by saying that Gonzalez's signing was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' implies that there were, in fact, other reasons for Keegan's resignation besides the Gonzalez issue - namely his bad relationship with Wise and Co and the small size of the transfer budget.

 

The second extract puts forward the Ashley viewpoint, that the Gonzalez deal was just an excuse. Although the tribunal rejects that, those two statements aren't exactly a million miles apart, are they? It actually boils down to a matter of opinion, rather than fact here.

 

The way I see it, Keegan wasn't happy working with a DOF, despite the fact that he accepted the system when he joined. He also wanted more money spent. No-one who has followed Keegan's career would be surprised at either of those.

 

The Gonzalez signing offered him the chance to get out with what he hoped would be a large amount of compensation. I don't see it as a 'final straw', more a golden opportunity. That's the only area where we seem to differ.

 

Sweet jesus.

[Paully]

 

 

Well the first extract, by saying that Gonzalez's signing was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' implies that there were, in fact, other reasons for Keegan's resignation besides the Gonzalez issue - namely his bad relationship with Wise and Co and the small size of the transfer budget.

 

The second extract puts forward the Ashley viewpoint, that the Gonzalez deal was just an excuse. Although the tribunal rejects that, those two statements aren't exactly a million miles apart, are they? It actually boils down to a matter of opinion, rather than fact here.

 

The way I see it, Keegan wasn't happy working with a DOF, despite the fact that he accepted the system when he joined. He also wanted more money spent. No-one who has followed Keegan's career would be surprised at either of those.

 

The Gonzalez signing offered him the chance to get out with what he hoped would be a large amount of compensation. I don't see it as a 'final straw', more a golden opportunity. That's the only area where we seem to differ.

 

Hi Mike,

 

Please get out of our club and take your devious, sly, manipulative mates with you.

 

 

Cheers

[gazza ladra]

Sweet jesus x2

[Guest fraser]

True it is that he was plainly unhappy with some aspects at the Club, in particular the small size of the squad and the lack of signings which he believed were required to bolster its size, both of which were making him frustrated, and true it is that he plainly had a difficult relationship with Mr Wise and Mr Jimenez but we are satisfied that what triggered his resignation was the Club’s signing of Gonzalez notwithstanding Mr Keegan’s strong opposition to it. Both at the time and to us he described the Gonzalez signing as the final straw and the evidence shows that the Club appreciated that proceeding with it against this wishes might well lead to his resignation.

 

Keegan wasn't happy anyway. Gonzalez was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It follows that we do not accept the Club’s case which is that Mr Keegan resigned because he could not continue to operate within the structure of the Club and that the Gonzalez deal may have represented a convenient excuse for him to do so. First, he told us, and we accept, that he wanted to stay at the Club. Secondly, there were very good reasons for him to want to do so. He had a valuable Contract worth £3m for the first year, £3.2m for year two and £3.4m for year three, plus benefits and he was managing a Club about which he clearly felt passionately and whose fans supported him no less passionately. Thirdly, the Club had had an encouraging start to the new season: in the Premiership, they had drawn away to Manchester United and then won at home to Bolton and in the Carling Cup they had since won away at Coventry. True it is that they had just lost away at Arsenal but that cannot have come as any great surprise. And the atmosphere in the dressing room was described as excellent. Finally, as we set out in more detail below, he was being told by the Club that they wanted him to stay.

 

What do you make of that part Bobyule? It's almost as though it addresses your concerns directly.

 

Well the first extract, by saying that Gonzalez's signing was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' implies that there were, in fact, other reasons for Keegan's resignation besides the Gonzalez issue - namely his bad relationship with Wise and Co and the small size of the transfer budget.

 

The second extract puts forward the Ashley viewpoint, that the Gonzalez deal was just an excuse. Although the tribunal rejects that, those two statements aren't exactly a million miles apart, are they? It actually boils down to a matter of opinion, rather than fact here.

 

The way I see it, Keegan wasn't happy working with a DOF, despite the fact that he accepted the system when he joined. He also wanted more money spent. No-one who has followed Keegan's career would be surprised at either of those.

 

The Gonzalez signing offered him the chance to get out with what he hoped would be a large amount of compensation. I don't see it as a 'final straw', more a golden opportunity. That's the only area where we seem to differ.

 

You really are flogging a dead horse here. Keegan's view has been vindicated by an independent tribunal.

[Interpolic]

 

Well the first extract, by saying that Gonzalez's signing was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' implies that there were, in fact, other reasons for Keegan's resignation besides the Gonzalez issue - namely his bad relationship with Wise and Co and the small size of the transfer budget.

 

The second extract puts forward the Ashley viewpoint, that the Gonzalez deal was just an excuse. Although the tribunal rejects that, those two statements aren't exactly a million miles apart, are they? It actually boils down to a matter of opinion, rather than fact here.

 

The way I see it, Keegan wasn't happy working with a DOF, despite the fact that he accepted the system when he joined. He also wanted more money spent. No-one who has followed Keegan's career would be surprised at either of those.

 

The Gonzalez signing offered him the chance to get out with what he hoped would be a large amount of compensation. I don't see it as a 'final straw', more a golden opportunity. That's the only area where we seem to differ.

 

Fucking hell.  Everything turned out just how Keegan wanted aye, thank God Nacho turned up when he did.

[Dave]

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