tmonkey Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Well if he wins Ozzie, would you at least admit that he did nothing wrong by walking out? That's a staggering statement. It would have found that Keegan was forced out. How can he still be blamed? How does getting compensation prove he did nothing wrong though? Er he would have won his case, that he couldn't do his job as initially agreed upon and that he was forced out they had breached his contract and that he had valid grounds to sue for his treatment. What would he have done wrong? He could have gone in the summer when he was fully aware of the system he was working in, not waited until the day after the transfer window closed to maximise the damage it would cause. He was clearly pissed off when he gave that interview after the Chelsea game at the end of the season - why not go then? He could also not have spent the whole time he was here telling the supporters via the press that he was happy with the situation and that there wasn't a problem. Mind that's not the story he obviously told in his off the record conversations is it? People (myself included) laughed and said all of these journalists were making s*** up, but the truth is he's been dishonest throughout. he stayed untill the day he sent Wise and llambiarse out to sign Schweinsteiger, and they came back with two other muppets instead. Then Camels back was broken by this last straw. Keegan couldnt have known this would happen. He didn't "send them out" because they didn't report to him, he reported to them. Whether that's right or wrong (and it's wrong) that's the way it worked. OK then wrong choice of words. They told keegan they were going to sign him, and Didnt. They lied to Keegan. Would you stay in your job under management like that. Robson was sure he'd get Miguel and ended up with f***ing Carr. If ever there was a reason to walk............. "They lied to Keegan"? Get a grip, every manager has a similar story, things change. Wenger, Ferguson among others said they would have done the same in KK situation. There goes your theory. You have to be kidding me? Seriously. Er they said if they had no control over transfers they would walk away. Seriously. Would they have agreed to it in the first place though? Keegan never agreed to it though. There are quotes from Ashley and Wise earlier on that clearly state that Keegan will be the one who decides who comes or goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Well if he wins Ozzie, would you at least admit that he did nothing wrong by walking out? That's a staggering statement. It would have found that Keegan was forced out. How can he still be blamed? How does getting compensation prove he did nothing wrong though? Er he would have won his case, that he couldn't do his job as initially agreed upon and that he was forced out they had breached his contract and that he had valid grounds to sue for his treatment. What would he have done wrong? He could have gone in the summer when he was fully aware of the system he was working in, not waited until the day after the transfer window closed to maximise the damage it would cause. He was clearly pissed off when he gave that interview after the Chelsea game at the end of the season - why not go then? He could also not have spent the whole time he was here telling the supporters via the press that he was happy with the situation and that there wasn't a problem. Mind that's not the story he obviously told in his off the record conversations is it? People (myself included) laughed and said all of these journalists were making s*** up, but the truth is he's been dishonest throughout. he stayed untill the day he sent Wise and llambiarse out to sign Schweinsteiger, and they came back with two other muppets instead. Then Camels back was broken by this last straw. Keegan couldnt have known this would happen. He didn't "send them out" because they didn't report to him, he reported to them. Whether that's right or wrong (and it's wrong) that's the way it worked. OK then wrong choice of words. They told keegan they were going to sign him, and Didnt. They lied to Keegan. Would you stay in your job under management like that. Robson was sure he'd get Miguel and ended up with f***ing Carr. If ever there was a reason to walk............. "They lied to Keegan"? Get a grip, every manager has a similar story, things change. Wenger, Ferguson among others said they would have done the same in KK situation. There goes your theory. You have to be kidding me? Seriously. Er they said if they had no control over transfers they would walk away. Seriously. Would they have agreed to it in the first place? No, that's why if their jobs changed they would have walked. Probably sued too. What if Keegan did agree to it though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.wussu.com/various/images/magic_roundabout.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Time for bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.wussu.com/various/images/magic_roundabout.jpg The result of the claim for unfair dismissal isn't going to change that either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/4650068.Keegan_verdict_delayed_until_start_of_next_week/ Keegan verdict delayed until start of next week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Ni way KK takes the job knowing he would have no control over transfers, we were told Wise was incharge if scouting & signing youth players. He was treat like a twat and walked away, am gutted he did so but cannot blame him for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Didn't Keegan walk first time out after a few weeks because Hall wouldn't get him Kilcline, and then threatened it again over a year later when Hall was hesitant on paying £1m for Beardsley? Difference that time was Hall could afford it, and wasn't hindered by a transfer deadline like it is now, so not like he hasn't got history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Well if he wins Ozzie, would you at least admit that he did nothing wrong by walking out? That's a staggering statement. It would have found that Keegan was forced out. How can he still be blamed? How does getting compensation prove he did nothing wrong though? Er he would have won his case, that he couldn't do his job as initially agreed upon and that he was forced out they had breached his contract and that he had valid grounds to sue for his treatment. What would he have done wrong? He could have gone in the summer when he was fully aware of the system he was working in, not waited until the day after the transfer window closed to maximise the damage it would cause. He was clearly pissed off when he gave that interview after the Chelsea game at the end of the season - why not go then? He could also not have spent the whole time he was here telling the supporters via the press that he was happy with the situation and that there wasn't a problem. Mind that's not the story he obviously told in his off the record conversations is it? People (myself included) laughed and said all of these journalists were making s*** up, but the truth is he's been dishonest throughout. he stayed untill the day he sent Wise and llambiarse out to sign Schweinsteiger, and they came back with two other muppets instead. Then Camels back was broken by this last straw. Keegan couldnt have known this would happen. He didn't "send them out" because they didn't report to him, he reported to them. Whether that's right or wrong (and it's wrong) that's the way it worked. OK then wrong choice of words. They told keegan they were going to sign him, and Didnt. They lied to Keegan. Would you stay in your job under management like that. Robson was sure he'd get Miguel and ended up with f***ing Carr. If ever there was a reason to walk............. "They lied to Keegan"? Get a grip, every manager has a similar story, things change. Wenger, Ferguson among others said they would have done the same in KK situation. There goes your theory. You have to be kidding me? Seriously. Er they said if they had no control over transfers they would walk away. Seriously. Would they have agreed to it in the first place though? Keegan never agreed to it though. There are quotes from Ashley and Wise earlier on that clearly state that Keegan will be the one who decides who comes or goes. There are also quotes from Keegan to the contrary & saying he didn't "have a problem with Dennis" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.wussu.com/various/images/magic_roundabout.jpg http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/4650068.Keegan_verdict_delayed_until_start_of_next_week/ Keegan verdict delayed until start of next week and on it goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Didn't Keegan walk first time out after a few weeks because Hall wouldn't get him Kilcline, and then threatened it again over a year later when Hall was hesitant on paying £1m for Beardsley? Difference that time was Hall could afford it, and wasn't hindered by a transfer deadline like it is now, so not like he hasn't got history. Stuff like that isn't allowed, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Venables had discussions about the job, but was never offered it, FWIW. He quite publicly stated he wouldn't have taken it with the terms on offer though. Don't blame him tbh, mental situation to work in. It's fairly easy to say you wouldn't have taken the job after you weren't even offered it. You generally don't get offered jobs you've already rejected. Why do you reckon Ashley rejected Venables after seeking him out to interview for the job? Did he just think Joe would be a better option? He rejected it before they told him they didn't want him, did he? I've no idea. He made it sound like he did and gave a perfectly legitimate reason for why most managers wouldn't take the job on, but then you could say he would do that wouldn't he. I repeat though, if he was rejected after he was interviewed, why do you think Ashley (or Wise as ED(F)) thought on interview Venables was not suitable for the job, but subsequently that JFK was? Did Joe win because of his PR savvy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Well if he wins Ozzie, would you at least admit that he did nothing wrong by walking out? That's a staggering statement. It would have found that Keegan was forced out. How can he still be blamed? How does getting compensation prove he did nothing wrong though? Er he would have won his case, that he couldn't do his job as initially agreed upon and that he was forced out they had breached his contract and that he had valid grounds to sue for his treatment. What would he have done wrong? He could have gone in the summer when he was fully aware of the system he was working in, not waited until the day after the transfer window closed to maximise the damage it would cause. He was clearly pissed off when he gave that interview after the Chelsea game at the end of the season - why not go then? He could also not have spent the whole time he was here telling the supporters via the press that he was happy with the situation and that there wasn't a problem. Mind that's not the story he obviously told in his off the record conversations is it? People (myself included) laughed and said all of these journalists were making s*** up, but the truth is he's been dishonest throughout. he stayed untill the day he sent Wise and llambiarse out to sign Schweinsteiger, and they came back with two other muppets instead. Then Camels back was broken by this last straw. Keegan couldnt have known this would happen. He didn't "send them out" because they didn't report to him, he reported to them. Whether that's right or wrong (and it's wrong) that's the way it worked. OK then wrong choice of words. They told keegan they were going to sign him, and Didnt. They lied to Keegan. Would you stay in your job under management like that. Robson was sure he'd get Miguel and ended up with f***ing Carr. If ever there was a reason to walk............. "They lied to Keegan"? Get a grip, every manager has a similar story, things change. Wenger, Ferguson among others said they would have done the same in KK situation. There goes your theory. You have to be kidding me? Seriously. Er they said if they had no control over transfers they would walk away. Seriously. Would they have agreed to it in the first place? No, that's why if their jobs changed they would have walked. Probably sued too. What if Keegan did agree to it though? Are you thick? He won't win. However a lot of contradicting quotes pre Keegan and post Keegan, about who will report to who, and who has final say from Ashley and co, not to mention their history of bullshit. I'm more willing to believe KK. If he wins, he was right to walk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Didn't Keegan walk first time out after a few weeks because Hall wouldn't get him Kilcline, and then threatened it again over a year later when Hall was hesitant on paying £1m for Beardsley? Difference that time was Hall could afford it, and wasn't hindered by a transfer deadline like it is now, so not like he hasn't got history. Stuff like that isn't allowed, sorry. All top managers do that. I remember Ferguson saying something like he would walk if Ronaldo was sold, when he was finally sold it would have been with the full consent of Fergie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Well if he wins Ozzie, would you at least admit that he did nothing wrong by walking out? That's a staggering statement. It would have found that Keegan was forced out. How can he still be blamed? How does getting compensation prove he did nothing wrong though? Er he would have won his case, that he couldn't do his job as initially agreed upon and that he was forced out they had breached his contract and that he had valid grounds to sue for his treatment. What would he have done wrong? He could have gone in the summer when he was fully aware of the system he was working in, not waited until the day after the transfer window closed to maximise the damage it would cause. He was clearly pissed off when he gave that interview after the Chelsea game at the end of the season - why not go then? He could also not have spent the whole time he was here telling the supporters via the press that he was happy with the situation and that there wasn't a problem. Mind that's not the story he obviously told in his off the record conversations is it? People (myself included) laughed and said all of these journalists were making s*** up, but the truth is he's been dishonest throughout. he stayed untill the day he sent Wise and llambiarse out to sign Schweinsteiger, and they came back with two other muppets instead. Then Camels back was broken by this last straw. Keegan couldnt have known this would happen. He didn't "send them out" because they didn't report to him, he reported to them. Whether that's right or wrong (and it's wrong) that's the way it worked. OK then wrong choice of words. They told keegan they were going to sign him, and Didnt. They lied to Keegan. Would you stay in your job under management like that. Robson was sure he'd get Miguel and ended up with f***ing Carr. If ever there was a reason to walk............. "They lied to Keegan"? Get a grip, every manager has a similar story, things change. Wenger, Ferguson among others said they would have done the same in KK situation. There goes your theory. Milner wanted out. Handed in a transfer request, keegan failed to persuad him to stay, or didn't fancy him more than the money, so he got his wish and left. Amazingly we couldn't persuade Swienstiger to jump on board. Ronaldo? I'm sure old red nose was livid he didn't get at least Messi, christ, the board couldn't even get him Ribéry despite assurances. INSTANT SULK? No, he gets on with it. As for the shit Wenger has had to put up with... Keegan pushes out his bottom lip far too often. Wenger and Furguson might support their fellow managers but have had to deal with worse themselves, dealt with it, and got into a position that deserves respect if they walked on principle. Keegan on the other hand, has not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I blame Terry Venables for our relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Course Keegan lets his lip wobble, but you can't argue he's wrong and was wrong previously? Surely our relegation and the pathetic way that Ashley has run the club should make you side with Keegan? As for the fact he threatened to walk over Killer and Beardsley - weren't they two of his greatest signings? Maybe he knew how important they'd be and was willing to gamble his job on getting them in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Well if he wins Ozzie, would you at least admit that he did nothing wrong by walking out? That's a staggering statement. It would have found that Keegan was forced out. How can he still be blamed? How does getting compensation prove he did nothing wrong though? Er he would have won his case, that he couldn't do his job as initially agreed upon and that he was forced out they had breached his contract and that he had valid grounds to sue for his treatment. What would he have done wrong? He could have gone in the summer when he was fully aware of the system he was working in, not waited until the day after the transfer window closed to maximise the damage it would cause. He was clearly pissed off when he gave that interview after the Chelsea game at the end of the season - why not go then? He could also not have spent the whole time he was here telling the supporters via the press that he was happy with the situation and that there wasn't a problem. Mind that's not the story he obviously told in his off the record conversations is it? People (myself included) laughed and said all of these journalists were making s*** up, but the truth is he's been dishonest throughout. he stayed untill the day he sent Wise and llambiarse out to sign Schweinsteiger, and they came back with two other muppets instead. Then Camels back was broken by this last straw. Keegan couldnt have known this would happen. He didn't "send them out" because they didn't report to him, he reported to them. Whether that's right or wrong (and it's wrong) that's the way it worked. OK then wrong choice of words. They told keegan they were going to sign him, and Didnt. They lied to Keegan. Would you stay in your job under management like that. Robson was sure he'd get Miguel and ended up with f***ing Carr. If ever there was a reason to walk............. "They lied to Keegan"? Get a grip, every manager has a similar story, things change. Wenger, Ferguson among others said they would have done the same in KK situation. There goes your theory. Milner wanted out. Handed in a transfer request, keegan failed to persuad him to stay, or didn't fancy him more than the money, so he got his wish and left. Amazingly we couldn't persuade Swienstiger to jump on board. Ronaldo? I'm sure old red nose was livid he didn't get at least Messi, christ, the board couldn't even get him Ribéry despite assurances. INSTANT SULK? No, he gets on with it. As for the s*** Wenger has had to put up with... Keegan pushes out his bottom lip far too often. Wenger and Furguson might support their fellow managers but have had to deal with worse themselves, dealt with it, and got into a position that deserves respect if they walked on principle. Keegan on the other hand, has not. Keegan says it's fine, we may not get anyone in this transfer window but the money will be used to add to the squad with quality when we can. Ferguson scouted Valencia for at least a year. Most top clubs have multiple targets. Most top clubs let the manager pick who they sign, who is available for sale. Ferguson and Wenger do get on with it, they are allowed to without hindrance from anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 People should stop posting facts....... its a football forum. Decide what side your on, and twist an argument to suit your Agenda Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Venables had discussions about the job, but was never offered it, FWIW. He quite publicly stated he wouldn't have taken it with the terms on offer though. Don't blame him tbh, mental situation to work in. It's fairly easy to say you wouldn't have taken the job after you weren't even offered it. You generally don't get offered jobs you've already rejected. Why do you reckon Ashley rejected Venables after seeking him out to interview for the job? Did he just think Joe would be a better option? He rejected it before they told him they didn't want him, did he? I've no idea. He made it sound like he did and gave a perfectly legitimate reason for why most managers wouldn't take the job on, but then you could say he would do that wouldn't he. I repeat though, if he was rejected after he was interviewed, why do you think Ashley (or Wise as ED(F)) thought on interview Venables was not suitable for the job, but subsequently that JFK was? Did Joe win because of his PR savvy? No idea. Kinnear proved to be the wrong choice, but that doesn't mean the were turned down by Venables. Do you know how an interview process works? You interview people and if you interview more than one person, you inevitably turn people down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Didn't Keegan walk first time out after a few weeks because Hall wouldn't get him Kilcline, and then threatened it again over a year later when Hall was hesitant on paying £1m for Beardsley? Difference that time was Hall could afford it, and wasn't hindered by a transfer deadline like it is now, so not like he hasn't got history. Stuff like that isn't allowed, sorry. All top managers do that. I remember Ferguson saying something like he would walk if Ronaldo was sold, when he was finally sold it would have been with the full consent of Fergie. Where did he say that? (Genuine question) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 After Allardyce left we should've just appointed Curbishley and none of this would've happened. Curbishley like the rest of the managerial brethren would've stuck at the job (not Keegan though...oh...and not Benitez and umm...a few others). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Didn't Keegan walk first time out after a few weeks because Hall wouldn't get him Kilcline, and then threatened it again over a year later when Hall was hesitant on paying £1m for Beardsley? Difference that time was Hall could afford it, and wasn't hindered by a transfer deadline like it is now, so not like he hasn't got history. Stuff like that isn't allowed, sorry. All top managers do that. I remember Ferguson saying something like he would walk if Ronaldo was sold, when he was finally sold it would have been with the full consent of Fergie. Where did he say that? (Genuine question) I've tried looking for the quote in the past but couldn't find it. I'm 90% sure he said something along those lines though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Didn't Keegan walk first time out after a few weeks because Hall wouldn't get him Kilcline, and then threatened it again over a year later when Hall was hesitant on paying £1m for Beardsley? Difference that time was Hall could afford it, and wasn't hindered by a transfer deadline like it is now, so not like he hasn't got history. Stuff like that isn't allowed, sorry. All top managers do that. I remember Ferguson saying something like he would walk if Ronaldo was sold, when he was finally sold it would have been with the full consent of Fergie. Where did he say that? (Genuine question) Marca. http://sportscene.excite.co.uk/news/2909/Ferguson-threatens-to-quit-if-Ronaldo-leaves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/2303387/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-to-leave-Manchester-United-if-Glazers-sell-Cristiano-Ronaldo.html No quotes though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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