Shepherd Has His Say (Again)

[NE5]

No NE5, you haven't answered my question. Straight yes or no please. Do you accept that (even partially) Freddy Shepherd is to blame for the financial mess at this club? All you need to say is yes or no. No waffle, no hyperbole, no answering with a question. Just either yes or no.

 

I've told you. The directors who gave me the best - by far - 15 years supporting the club, get only credit from me for that. I'm not daft enough to think good times last forever.

 

 

 

But that is not answering the question. Its avoidance. Please answer my specific question with a yes or no. Do you accept that (even partially) Freddy Shepherd is to blame for the financial state we have found ourselves in?

 

Well, when the Halls and Shepherd took over the club, it wasn't worth 1.25m, now it is worth massively more than that. Who do you "blame" for that ?

 

 

 

I don't BLAME anyone for the increase in our worth. Do you accept that (even partially) Freddy Shepherd is to blame for the financial state we are in?

 

do you mean the FACT that they increased the saleable value of the club by between 100-200million quid ? Or do you not consider this to be a "financial state"

 

We wont mention the FACT that, they gave us 15 years where only 4 clubs qualified for europe more than us, while they owned it, at this stage.

 

 

 

 

 

And the debt that has been left to deal with? Do you accept that at least partially Freddy Shepherd has left us with that? Yes or no?

 

They tried to be successful, and now Ashley is taking the piss with all this accent on it, and you are all falling for it. He certainly needs to find some money now, or its just a matter of time before we are relegated

 

 

[madras]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

i'm not sure the halls and shepherd would have got credit,very much in  the same way that west ham couldn't.

[thomas]

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[Guest toonlass]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

[NE5]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

[thomas]

It's like he's still sore from his Souness is a Top Manager comment so he doesn't want to give a straight answer on anything for fear of being called on it later.

[Parky]

West Ham, Portsmouth and Blackburn haven't spent any money in the transfer market either this year, in fact all of them have made a decent profit in terms of net spend this season because they can't afford to do anything else.

 

Not sure what point you're trying to make by them.

 

West Ham are close to bankruptcy and the other two muppets are at the bottom of the table. Work it out.

 

I think you're the one that needs to work out what your point is, you claim that Ashley is fucking with us because other clubs have high debt yet most are making big profits from selling players to get their finances together.

 

So how does those clubs selling players and making big profits on their net spend work out as Ashley fucking with us?

 

Ha ha...

[OzzieMandias]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

 

So what assets has he stripped, then?

[Guest toonlass]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

[NE5]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

 

So what assets has he stripped, then?

 

Its a phrase that was used a few times when you said - about that hedge fund, that there was "nothing to be feared from a change at the top".

 

So how many appointments did you agree would succeed ozzie, was it 3 out of 6, 4 out of 6, or 5 out of 6 ?

 

 

[Parky]

It's a jungle out there! 

[NE5]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

 

So what assets has he stripped, then?

 

Its a phrase that was used a few times when you said - about that hedge fund, that there was "nothing to be feared from a change at the top".

 

So how many appointments did you agree would succeed ozzie, was it 3 out of 6, 4 out of 6, or 5 out of 6 ?

 

 

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks when you spoke of "asset-stripping". Thanks.

[Guest toonlass]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

[NE5]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

 

So what assets has he stripped, then?

 

Its a phrase that was used a few times when you said - about that hedge fund, that there was "nothing to be feared from a change at the top".

 

So how many appointments did you agree would succeed ozzie, was it 3 out of 6, 4 out of 6, or 5 out of 6 ?

 

 

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks when you spoke of "asset-stripping". Thanks.

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks - and lying - when you said you only agreed with 1 out of the 6 appointments 

 

Do you still think the change of owner has left us in a better position than the shite board who qualified for europe more than every club bar 4 ?

 

"nothing to fear from a change at the top"  mackems.gif

[NE5]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

 

So what assets has he stripped, then?

 

Its a phrase that was used a few times when you said - about that hedge fund, that there was "nothing to be feared from a change at the top".

 

So how many appointments did you agree would succeed ozzie, was it 3 out of 6, 4 out of 6, or 5 out of 6 ?

 

 

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks when you spoke of "asset-stripping". Thanks.

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks - and lying - when you said you only agreed with 1 out of the 6 appointments 

 

Do you still think the change of owner has left us in a better position than the shite board who qualified for europe more than every club bar 4 ?

 

"nothing to fear from a change at the top"  mackems.gif

 

No, you'd have to be a complete fucking loon to understand that from my question about asset-stripping.

[Guest toonlass]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

 

None given.

 

So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things?

[NE5]

It's actually getting hilarious how everyone's trying to make NE5 admit that he's talking nonsense.

 

It's not happening. Ever. Give up.

 

oh dear, I remember people saying that people like me were talking nonsense when we said Ashley was turning the club into a 2nd rate selling club again, and heading for relegation through selling players and looking for cheap replacements.

 

When exactly do you think we will match the european qualifications that we have seen for the last 15 years, under Ashleys strategy ?

 

 

stretch the question further and ask if fred would have matched the european qualifications we've seen for the last 15years ?

 

would he have just spent the banks money to try and emulate it ?

 

Lets go back to the appointment of Allardyce, and the point made by HTT, when he said that it was thought to be a good appointment at the time of someone waiting for a big job, coupled with the fact that his track record suggested he could build a pretty good side with little money. Whether he could make the top 4 is arguable, and we won't now know, but it suggested that the Halls and Shepherd were aware of this need, in the short term.

 

I'm pretty sure that their ultimate ambitions would have remained as high as they always were, which are much higher than Ashleys, and I'm also pretty sure that at the current moment in time, they wouldn't be sitting back and watching the team heading for relegation and try to reverse it.

 

Mind, the amount of u-turns by people who urged them to keep spending, and backed Souness in his spending spree, but now say how wrong it was, is quite amazing.

 

 

i'd reckon ashleys ambition was to do aswell as possible without running up massive debt.........your way sees everton of having a lack of ambition, a lack that sees them regularly finish well clear off ambitious freds outfit.

 

Everton are just the team doing the best for the moment of a whole load of clubs that don't have the big ambition that they should.

 

Thats all, nothing more and nothing less. If you are saying you would swap their last decade for ours, then I wouldn't agree, and if you are saying what they have done in the past decade is good enough for you, then thats up to you.   It;s this mistaken idea that you and others have that everybody else has done things better than us, and the grass is always greener. despite results to the contrary which is pretty daft like.

 

You thought the grass was greener when the Halls and Shepherd ran the club and now they have gone, we are sinking like a stone.

 

Has Shay Given gone yet ? All we need is Ashleys mouthpiece to come out again and say its "good business", and I'm sure a lot of gullible people will swallow it whole.

 

 

 

 

i'd swap their last 5 years for ours.

 

as for sinking like a stone i'll claim you are LYING if you think  it's only since fred left.

 

 

I'm not talking about the last 5 years, I'm talking about the entire tenure of the chairman you are slating, not part of it.

 

Do you still think having an owner who runs the club down is no different to having an owner(s) who have ambition and have shown it ?

 

Amazing.

 

 

and you know i wouldn't slag off the entire tenure in the same way forest fans wouldn't slag off cloughs entire tenure....but everyone i know says he should have gone before he did as he was damaging the club and wasn't going to improve it,same with fred. you know this and we've been here before.

 

the next bit.........where did i say it was no different. but i'll GIVE YOU A STRAIGHT ANSWER ANYWAY.......i don't think ashley is running the club down,he's changing the ethos as the ambitious plan as followed by fred was eventually leading to bankruptcy

 

so then...would you rack up debt year after year chasing the dream with no plan for if it fails ?

 

I don't think he is doing anything other than taking the piss, asset stripping the club, and running it down. Do we need to be relegated to ram this point home ?

 

So to that degree, he needs to find some money from somewhere to avoid the drop, which I'm sure the Halls and Shepherd would have done, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that i wouldn't have "blamed" them for it at all.

 

 

 

So what assets has he stripped, then?

 

Its a phrase that was used a few times when you said - about that hedge fund, that there was "nothing to be feared from a change at the top".

 

So how many appointments did you agree would succeed ozzie, was it 3 out of 6, 4 out of 6, or 5 out of 6 ?

 

 

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks when you spoke of "asset-stripping". Thanks.

 

So you admit you were talking bollocks - and lying - when you said you only agreed with 1 out of the 6 appointments 

 

Do you still think the change of owner has left us in a better position than the shite board who qualified for europe more than every club bar 4 ?

 

"nothing to fear from a change at the top"  mackems.gif

 

No, you'd have to be a complete fucking loon to understand that from my question about asset-stripping.

 

so do you admit you've been talking bollocks for about the last 4 years ?

 

 

[dcmk]

Have the same discussion at least 5 times a day, your never going to agree.  Shepherd is a thing of the past, we have far more pressing concerns.

[NE5]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

 

None given.

 

So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things?

 

What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ?

 

 

[Guest toonlass]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

 

None given.

 

So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things?

 

What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ?

 

 

 

Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about.

[NE5]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

 

None given.

 

So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things?

 

What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ?

 

 

 

Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about.

 

 

I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it.

 

 

[Parky]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

 

None given.

 

So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things?

 

What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ?

 

 

 

Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about.

 

Of course there is some mitigation with regard to FS, but we aren't unique regarding debt and high wages...There is a middle ground in this debate.

[madras]

Avoidance again! Are you a tory MP in disguise? Simple question. Answer it with one word yes or no.

 

Do you accept that the reason that we are in the state we are in financially is partially Freddy Shepherd's fault?

 

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ?

 

I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit.

 

 

 

 

 

Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers.

 

rubbish.

 

mackems.gif

 

Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add.

 

When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ?

 

 

 

Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business.

 

you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke".

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

 

None given.

 

So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things?

 

What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ?

 

 

 

Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about.

 

Of course there is some mitigation with regard to FS, but we aren't unique regarding debt and high wages...There is a middle ground in this debate.

most people are in the middle ground....did fred leave us in the shite ?....yes

 

 

has ashley done enough to get us out ?... no.