Llambias Q&A with Chronicle: OP updated with Thursday's articles

[Guest SpinTheBlackCircle]

"Mike [Ashley] is a very wealthy man but can he afford £30m a year? No. But he'll be happy with £5m-10m." 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7910919.stm

[Baggio]

"Mike [Ashley] is a very wealthy man but can he afford £30m a year? No. But he'll be happy with £5m-10m."   

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7910919.stm

 

Which is £5m-£10m more than anyone else has put in a year out of their own pocket.

 

"BUT OMG HE SAID "£20 MILLIOn b4."

 

He did, but times have changed since then.

[timnufc22]

I wouldn't say I backed him but I like the scouting set up we have and the way the Academy is going.  Attack me at will.

 

Yes, the Academy seems to be going well, and there does need to be perspective in amongst the critisism - it is good to see a lot of potentially promising youngsters coming to the club, its refreshing, and because people aren’t happy with the other aspects it doesn’t mean they cant appreciate more promising aspects.

 

The flip side is the sheer lack of ambition wanting Kinnear long term, and the lack of clarity regarding Wise's role (no-one knows EXACTLY what he does/how much influence he has), which in turn discredits the image of the manager position.

 

The vibe coming out of NUSC imo should be "we do appreciate this and that, and do think this is good to see... on the other hand we still do not know exactly what Dennis Wise' job is, and it is suspicious that is still the case"

[Dr Venkman]

i dont think NE5 sees debt as something that is finite, this may be the problem.

[NE5]

i dont think NE5 sees debt as something that is finite, this may be the problem.

 

I don't think that people like you realise no club is successful without being in debt, this may be the problem.

 

The world isn't perfect mate.

 

 

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

 

I'd far rather people like you saw sense, to be honest.

 

 

 

I've said numerous times that we needed to spend money.

 

I've said numerous times that the current approach isn't going to work.

 

I've said numerous times that we "could" be better off without Ashley.

 

What I won't admit though is that we weren't going in the same direction, albeit via a different path, under Shepherd. You constantly talk about proof, yet you fail to acknowledge the fact that we were in FACT going backwards.

 

Nobody disagrees with you that for a few years things were better under the Halls and Shepherd, yet you constantly argue that everyone on this board thinks that Ashley is the greatest owner ever. Why?

 

 

Well, I don't agree. Because I think if you back your managers, keep the stadium filled and the revenue coming in, you can get back onto the right road, but if you don't back your managers you've got no chance, because the other things will fall away.

 

Looking at what you've said above, I don't see your problem anyway and you should be stalking someone else. Somebody who is clueless and still backing Ashley in fact.

 

 

 

Who is still backing Ashley, and I'll make them my next project

 

why don't you ask the numerous people who are defending everything he does ?

 

 

 

I would, but I'm yet to see that they actually exist. Make it easier, and name names. Who here defends everything he does?

 

there are lots of people on here still supporting what he is doing and believing in what he is doing and you don't need me to point them out.

[Thespence]

Llambias interview with Mick Lowes was on Radio Newcastle this morning.  Will be more tomorrow morning.

 

The man does have a voice.

 

Nothing new though.

 

Keep us posted.

[thomas]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

 

I'd far rather people like you saw sense, to be honest.

 

 

 

I've said numerous times that we needed to spend money.

 

I've said numerous times that the current approach isn't going to work.

 

I've said numerous times that we "could" be better off without Ashley.

 

What I won't admit though is that we weren't going in the same direction, albeit via a different path, under Shepherd. You constantly talk about proof, yet you fail to acknowledge the fact that we were in FACT going backwards.

 

Nobody disagrees with you that for a few years things were better under the Halls and Shepherd, yet you constantly argue that everyone on this board thinks that Ashley is the greatest owner ever. Why?

 

 

Well, I don't agree. Because I think if you back your managers, keep the stadium filled and the revenue coming in, you can get back onto the right road, but if you don't back your managers you've got no chance, because the other things will fall away.

 

Looking at what you've said above, I don't see your problem anyway and you should be stalking someone else. Somebody who is clueless and still backing Ashley in fact.

 

 

 

Who is still backing Ashley, and I'll make them my next project

 

why don't you ask the numerous people who are defending everything he does ?

 

 

 

I would, but I'm yet to see that they actually exist. Make it easier, and name names. Who here defends everything he does?

 

there are lots of people on here still supporting what he is doing and believing in what he is doing and you don't need me to point them out.

So you'd rather type 29 words in a post dodging an answer than 1 single name. 

 

I wonder why.  mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif

[Shearergol]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

 

I'd far rather people like you saw sense, to be honest.

 

 

 

I've said numerous times that we needed to spend money.

 

I've said numerous times that the current approach isn't going to work.

 

I've said numerous times that we "could" be better off without Ashley.

 

What I won't admit though is that we weren't going in the same direction, albeit via a different path, under Shepherd. You constantly talk about proof, yet you fail to acknowledge the fact that we were in FACT going backwards.

 

Nobody disagrees with you that for a few years things were better under the Halls and Shepherd, yet you constantly argue that everyone on this board thinks that Ashley is the greatest owner ever. Why?

 

 

Well, I don't agree. Because I think if you back your managers, keep the stadium filled and the revenue coming in, you can get back onto the right road, but if you don't back your managers you've got no chance, because the other things will fall away.

 

Looking at what you've said above, I don't see your problem anyway and you should be stalking someone else. Somebody who is clueless and still backing Ashley in fact.

 

 

 

Who is still backing Ashley, and I'll make them my next project

 

why don't you ask the numerous people who are defending everything he does ?

 

 

 

I would, but I'm yet to see that they actually exist. Make it easier, and name names. Who here defends everything he does?

 

there are lots of people on here still supporting what he is doing and believing in what he is doing and you don't need me to point them out.

 

Are they the same people who are supporting EVERYTHING hs is doing? 1 name would do... Baggio? Mick?

[Mick]

 

Are they the same people who are supporting EVERYTHING hs is doing? 1 name would do... Baggio? Mick?

 

He'll not find anybody supporting everything that he is doing.  I think it's a case of anything and everything looking similar so they must mean something similar.

[OzzieMandias]

I think it's more a case of NE5 talking out of his arse.

[dustynrg]

I think it's more a case of NE5 talking out of his arse.

 

Whose, Freddie's?

 

mackems.gif

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

 

I'd far rather people like you saw sense, to be honest.

 

 

 

I've said numerous times that we needed to spend money.

 

I've said numerous times that the current approach isn't going to work.

 

I've said numerous times that we "could" be better off without Ashley.

 

What I won't admit though is that we weren't going in the same direction, albeit via a different path, under Shepherd. You constantly talk about proof, yet you fail to acknowledge the fact that we were in FACT going backwards.

 

Nobody disagrees with you that for a few years things were better under the Halls and Shepherd, yet you constantly argue that everyone on this board thinks that Ashley is the greatest owner ever. Why?

 

 

Well, I don't agree. Because I think if you back your managers, keep the stadium filled and the revenue coming in, you can get back onto the right road, but if you don't back your managers you've got no chance, because the other things will fall away.

 

Looking at what you've said above, I don't see your problem anyway and you should be stalking someone else. Somebody who is clueless and still backing Ashley in fact.

 

 

 

Who is still backing Ashley, and I'll make them my next project

 

why don't you ask the numerous people who are defending everything he does ?

 

 

 

I would, but I'm yet to see that they actually exist. Make it easier, and name names. Who here defends everything he does?

 

there are lots of people on here still supporting what he is doing and believing in what he is doing and you don't need me to point them out.

So you'd rather type 29 words in a post dodging an answer than 1 single name. 

 

I wonder why.  mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif

 

ok then. Mandiarse for one.

 

Perhaps you might now encourage him to reply to questions ?

 

I doubt you will, but go on, prove me wrong.

 

[NE5]

I think it's more a case of NE5 talking out of his arse.

 

have you decided if you agree with protests or not yet  mackems.gif

[NE5]

 

Are they the same people who are supporting EVERYTHING hs is doing? 1 name would do... Baggio? Mick?

 

He'll not find anybody supporting everything that he is doing.  I think it's a case of anything and everything looking similar so they must mean something similar.

 

OK then. Please tell us that Ashley is doing as well as the old regime in terms of qualifying for europe more often than anybody else in the last 50 years.

 

I think this must be a case of you either stalling, or not having the balls to give a straight reply.

 

 

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

 

I'd far rather people like you saw sense, to be honest.

 

 

 

I've said numerous times that we needed to spend money.

 

I've said numerous times that the current approach isn't going to work.

 

I've said numerous times that we "could" be better off without Ashley.

 

What I won't admit though is that we weren't going in the same direction, albeit via a different path, under Shepherd. You constantly talk about proof, yet you fail to acknowledge the fact that we were in FACT going backwards.

 

Nobody disagrees with you that for a few years things were better under the Halls and Shepherd, yet you constantly argue that everyone on this board thinks that Ashley is the greatest owner ever. Why?

 

 

Well, I don't agree. Because I think if you back your managers, keep the stadium filled and the revenue coming in, you can get back onto the right road, but if you don't back your managers you've got no chance, because the other things will fall away.

 

Looking at what you've said above, I don't see your problem anyway and you should be stalking someone else. Somebody who is clueless and still backing Ashley in fact.

 

 

 

Who is still backing Ashley, and I'll make them my next project

 

why don't you ask the numerous people who are defending everything he does ?

 

 

 

I would, but I'm yet to see that they actually exist. Make it easier, and name names. Who here defends everything he does?

 

there are lots of people on here still supporting what he is doing and believing in what he is doing and you don't need me to point them out.

 

Are they the same people who are supporting EVERYTHING hs is doing? 1 name would do... Baggio? Mick?

 

my, you've got it in for me haven't you 

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

I think it's more a case of NE5 talking out of his arse.

 

Whose, Freddie's?

 

mackems.gif

 

Quite an anatomical feat given that he's already got his tongue so far up there.

[NE5]

I think it's more a case of NE5 talking out of his arse.

 

Whose, Freddie's?

 

mackems.gif

 

Quite an anatomical feat given that he's already got his tongue so far up there.

 

lost the plot and the debate have we Ozzie 

[OzzieMandias]

I'm sorry, your words sound very muffled for some reason.

[Dr Venkman]

i dont think NE5 sees debt as something that is finite, this may be the problem.

 

I don't think that people like you realise no club is successful without being in debt, this may be the problem.

 

The world isn't perfect mate.

 

 

 

i'm happy to take your word for it, is your inference this then, debt = success?

[OzzieMandias]

It basically means that he doesn't understand the difference between debt that is sustainable out of operating profit, and debt that is spiralling out of control due to financial irresponsibility.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It basically means that he doesn't understand the difference between debt that is sustainable out of operating profit, and debt that is spiralling out of control due to financial irresponsibility.

 

Truth, every business works with credit and has debts that they can service out of income. It's when they get out of control and income starts to stagnate that you have a problem.

 

There's no way we could have gone on spending the way Shepherd was, even he would have cut back if he'd stayed. Luckily for him though, he left us in a financial mess and fucked off with a massive pay day.

[NE5]

I'm sorry, your words sound very muffled for some reason.

 

I said you seem to have lost the plot, and the debate. There is a very good one going on just now about people and asking if they agree or disagree with the merits of protesting against something if you aren't happy with it.  Do you believe in protesting if you aren't happy with something Oz ?

 

There is another one which has been debating criteria applied when appointing managers ? What sort of criteria do you apply when appointing managers ?

 

[NE5]

i dont think NE5 sees debt as something that is finite, this may be the problem.

 

I don't think that people like you realise no club is successful without being in debt, this may be the problem.

 

The world isn't perfect mate.

 

 

 

i'm happy to take your word for it, is your inference this then, debt = success?

 

no, but the reality is that if you want success, you have to be prepared to have some debt, unless you are owned by a bunch of rich Arabs or a Russian gangster, but even though would probably set up loans they would want paid back at some stage.

 

One thing I can tell you with absolute certainty, is if you don't attempt to compete at the level of the successful clubs then you haven't got a cat in hells chance of matching them.

 

 

[dcmk]

It basically means that he doesn't understand the difference between debt that is sustainable out of operating profit, and debt that is spiralling out of control due to financial irresponsibility.

 

What proof do you have that we were going to keep spending under Fred and Sam Allardyce?  i think there would have been a period where we stabilise and push on up afterwards.  Allardyce got Bolton into Europe with next to nothing, that was in Fred's thinking upon appointment of the guy i'm pretty sure.  He knew couldn't borrow much ore.

 

With such reckless spending how come we didn't go broke sooner?  Fred was a chairmen for how long?  He achieved so much and was always ambitious without going too far ie: summer of bowyer and woodgate sale.  You write as if it is fact that Freddy was always going to spend and assume he didn't know what he was doing.  The fact is - we didnt go broke, we don't know what would of happened.