Llambias Q&A with Chronicle: OP updated with Thursday's articles

[OzzieMandias]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Well, who knows? But in any case, this would be a problem with the job, rather than a problem with the guy currently occupying it, no?

[Dave]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Well, who knows? But in any case, this would be a problem with the job, rather than a problem with the guy currently occupying it, no?

 

Yes.

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

[ChezGiven]

"Wise and Ashley out" is a simple soundbite from a simple diagnosis of the problem's at the club.

 

The problem has been the same since Robson was sent packing, the lack of a decent manager, apart from Keegan's short-lived tenure.

 

Kinnear is a decent bloke and i cant praise him enough for him turning round the sinking ship but we need a world class manager to meet the expectations of the fans, not a political re-structuring. If we had 8 more points on the board (4 draws turned into wins) then there would be very little to complain about. A world class manager would have probably got those points. There are / were of course many reasons why we couldnt attract one but thats another debate really.

 

 

[Dave]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

[magorific]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does. If people can't criticise because they don't know the full story it's hardly fair to then praise him based on the same lack of information.

 

We can only go off where we are at this point in time on the pitch. It's not great, is it?

 

again correct. Nowt like a reality check.

 

oh f*** me, what a load of s***

 

no, it isn't. YOU show ME where the club is in the league and also show me why important players have bailed out, if they are happy with the direction of the club.

 

 

 

the post dave made was about wise, wise is not in charge of the budget is he?  his boss is

 

i'm going to assume that difficult decisions have to be made within the constraints of that budget in his role as DOF/transfer kingpin or whatever you want to call him

 

it's not s**** from your perspective 'cause it meets your anti ashley-ism but it's s**** with regards his last sentence, blaming wise for where we are on the pitch is a f***ing joke imo

 

since he arrived we've signed potentially the best CB we've seen for ages, another very good one for 10m, a better winger than was already at the club and a few squad fillers...if you think wise WANTED to offer owen a pay cut, or let given/zog leave then you're mental

 

someone back up the anti wise s**** or f*** off with it, already said that but it was roundly ignored of course 'cause it ain't popular

 

To kick off, and without mentioning the KK issue, no new right-back (Ryan Taylor has clearly been bought as a midfielder) or left-back when successive managers have pinpointed those areas as desperately in need of strengthening. No creative central midfielder (another priority) to speak of either.

 

I would also seriously question your description of Colo as a "very good" CB - and he was hardly much of a discovery. But that's another argument.

[Dave]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

[Dave]

Fucking hell.

 

Every time I convince myself that you're retrievable but you're not.

[TRon]

"Wise and Ashley out" is a simple soundbite from a simple diagnosis of the problem's at the club.

 

The problem has been the same since Robson was sent packing, the lack of a decent manager, apart from Keegan's short-lived tenure.

 

Kinnear is a decent bloke and i cant praise him enough for him turning round the sinking ship but we need a world class manager to meet the expectations of the fans, not a political re-structuring. If we had 8 more points on the board (4 draws turned into wins) then there would be very little to complain about. A world class manager would have probably got those points. There are / were of course many reasons why we couldnt attract one but thats another debate really.

 

 

 

We might not be able to attract a world class manager but we could have a go at attracting an up and coming manager like Martinez. There are probably even top notch managers who would come under the right circumstances, the likes of Fatih Terim for example. Mike Ashley gives me the impression he needs a bloke he could have a pint with though, so I don't see any foreign appointments in the near future.

[relámpago blanco]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

[Tooj]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

[relámpago blanco]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

Ok, you obviously know more than me and obviously know Llambias never lies, he may not have been formally offered it but if you approach a club and ask to speak to their manager thats a pretty clear signal of intent to me.

[Mick]

Ok, you obviously know more than me and obviously know Llambias never lies, he may not have been formally offered it but if you approach a club and ask to speak to their manager thats a pretty clear signal of intent to me.

 

Llambias was looking after his casino when Keegan got the job.

[NE5]

Fucking hell.

 

Every time I convince myself that you're retrievable but you're not.

 

Retrievable ?

 

The comments were talking about what difference does someone who is "odious" mean, so its a relevant question, as Ozzie Mandias has held a different view of someone else who was supposed to be "odious".

 

Whats different about it ?

 

And why do you insist I answer questions and not others ?

 

FWIW, I don't give a toss if someone is "odious", and that has been my view right down the line, if they perform for the club. I am not anti Denis Wise because he is "odious", I'm anti Denis Wise because he is filling a role I don't think is necessary and also in this role I think he is a hindrance to the chance of recruiting a good manager. I also don't think he's doing as well as some people are making him out to be.

 

 

[Mowen]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

[ikri]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

 

From what I remember, Redknapp was spoken to about whether he'd be interested in the job but claimed that he'd never move from the south coast so taking the job would be out of the question.

 

He wasn't offered the job because we already knew that he'd refuse it, but he was sounded out.

[Guest Edd]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

You know you're getting desperate when you're prepared to believe anything Redknapp says.

 

Fucking hell.

 

Every time I convince myself that you're retrievable but you're not.

 

Retrievable ?

 

The comments were talking about what difference does someone who is "odious" mean, so its a relevant question, as Ozzie Mandias has held a different view of someone else who was supposed to be "odious".

 

Whats different about it ?

 

And why do you insist I answer questions and not others ?

 

FWIW, I don't give a toss if someone is "odious", and that has been my view right down the line, if they perform for the club. I am not anti Denis Wise because he is "odious", I'm anti Denis Wise because he is filling a role I don't think is necessary and also in this role I think he is a hindrance to the chance of recruiting a good manager. I also don't think he's doing as well as some people are making him out to be.

 

What exactly is Wise's role?

[NE5]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

You know you're getting desperate when you're prepared to believe anything Redknapp says.

 

Fucking hell.

 

Every time I convince myself that you're retrievable but you're not.

 

Retrievable ?

 

The comments were talking about what difference does someone who is "odious" mean, so its a relevant question, as Ozzie Mandias has held a different view of someone else who was supposed to be "odious".

 

Whats different about it ?

 

And why do you insist I answer questions and not others ?

 

FWIW, I don't give a toss if someone is "odious", and that has been my view right down the line, if they perform for the club. I am not anti Denis Wise because he is "odious", I'm anti Denis Wise because he is filling a role I don't think is necessary and also in this role I think he is a hindrance to the chance of recruiting a good manager. I also don't think he's doing as well as some people are making him out to be.

 

What exactly is Wise's role?

 

I believe Kevin Keegan when he says he wasn't allowed to manage the club properly. And I've stated my objection to a DOF at any club, where I think no manager worth their salt would allow anybody else to dictate transfer targets to them.

 

Hope that answers your question

[Guest Edd]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

You know you're getting desperate when you're prepared to believe anything Redknapp says.

 

Fucking hell.

 

Every time I convince myself that you're retrievable but you're not.

 

Retrievable ?

 

The comments were talking about what difference does someone who is "odious" mean, so its a relevant question, as Ozzie Mandias has held a different view of someone else who was supposed to be "odious".

 

Whats different about it ?

 

And why do you insist I answer questions and not others ?

 

FWIW, I don't give a toss if someone is "odious", and that has been my view right down the line, if they perform for the club. I am not anti Denis Wise because he is "odious", I'm anti Denis Wise because he is filling a role I don't think is necessary and also in this role I think he is a hindrance to the chance of recruiting a good manager. I also don't think he's doing as well as some people are making him out to be.

 

What exactly is Wise's role?

 

I believe Kevin Keegan when he says he wasn't allowed to manage the club properly. And I've stated my objection to a DOF at any club, where I think no manager worth their salt would allow anybody else to dictate transfer targets to them.

 

Hope that answers your question

 

To be honest though that's just what you think Keegan wasn't allowed to do and your thoughts on the DoF role in general.  It doesn't really tell us exactly what Wise does with regards to recruitment at various levels within the club and what influence he has elsewhere.

 

FWIW I wasn't trying to catch you out.  While I'm happy with certain aspects of recruitment, I'm not entirely sure what Wise does or is supposed to do with regards to that and this IMO is half the problem.  If his role was finally clarified maybe some people wouldn't have the objections they currently have.  Although I know some idiots would still want him out regardless of what the actual facts are.

[Parky]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

 

From what I remember, Redknapp was spoken to about whether he'd be interested in the job but claimed that he'd never move from the south coast so taking the job would be out of the question.

 

He wasn't offered the job because we already knew that he'd refuse it, but he was sounded out.

 

Harry was approached big time.

[Shearergol]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

[NE5]

What does Souness have to do with this?

 

you don't understand the principle I've outlined ?

 

 

 

I'll answer for you. Nothing.

 

I see. You don't understand the point/hypocrisy about odious people then which I knew mandiarse wouldn't answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

Souness has nothing to do with the current discussion. Stick to the topic at hand and people might consider taking you seriously.

 

you mean like when I said long before you and everybody else that Ashley was ruining the club ?

 

 

 

 

I'm assuming that's all you're looking for?

 

I'd far rather people like you saw sense, to be honest.

 

 

[NE5]

Saying he's done a good job are exactly the same type of assumptions seeing as nobody really knows what he does.

He recruits players.

 

So it's his fault Keegan walked and we ended up in complete and utter turmoil? That'll be why people want him out then.

 

See what I mean?

No I fully understand why people want him out, I'm just saying he won't be sacked and he does a good job.

 

How do you know he does a good job when you don't even know what it is?

We know he recruits players, other wise his job title wouldn't be Executive Director (Football) - Recruitment or something to that effect I remember reaing it when he signed and thinking thats a bloody weird job title.  I'll find a link later when I have enough time.

 

I was under the impression it was his job to recruit young talent. However in January Kinnear then stated he'd need to speak to Wise about his first team signings.

Aye, they basically lied.  I trust the Sun more than I do statements on nufc.co.uk now.

 

Maybe his role's changed, or evolved. Who knows? I can't say that the precise nature of Dennis Wise's job description strikes me as one of the club's major issues right now, though.

 

I think in the context of us getting in a manager better than Joe Kinnear it's extremely relevant. Like it or not, other managers will not look on the Keegan affair favourably and would seek clarity on the matter if approached.

 

Well, just because we haven't seen his job description doesn't mean a potential manager won't get to discuss it.

They'll get to discuss it but I doubt it will change,  I honestly when Redknapp came for the interview that was the only reason he didn't take it and, if it wasn't for that we'd have wobbly face as manager now.

 

 

 

Even though Redknapp was never actually offered the job?

Well he definately had an interview,  Keegan  knew of the DOF plan when he took over, I'm sure they would have said this to redknapp and he basically would have said he wanted to work of his own accord, like he is at Spurs now.

 

The reason Redknapp never took the job is because he was never actually offered it.

 

That isn't what he says. Problem is, with two prolific self publicists (read: liars) contradicting one another, it's hard to tell where the actual truth is.

You know you're getting desperate when you're prepared to believe anything Redknapp says.

 

Fucking hell.

 

Every time I convince myself that you're retrievable but you're not.

 

Retrievable ?

 

The comments were talking about what difference does someone who is "odious" mean, so its a relevant question, as Ozzie Mandias has held a different view of someone else who was supposed to be "odious".

 

Whats different about it ?

 

And why do you insist I answer questions and not others ?

 

FWIW, I don't give a toss if someone is "odious", and that has been my view right down the line, if they perform for the club. I am not anti Denis Wise because he is "odious", I'm anti Denis Wise because he is filling a role I don't think is necessary and also in this role I think he is a hindrance to the chance of recruiting a good manager. I also don't think he's doing as well as some people are making him out to be.

 

What exactly is Wise's role?

 

I believe Kevin Keegan when he says he wasn't allowed to manage the club properly. And I've stated my objection to a DOF at any club, where I think no manager worth their salt would allow anybody else to dictate transfer targets to them.

 

Hope that answers your question

 

To be honest though that's just what you think Keegan wasn't allowed to do and your thoughts on the DoF role in general.  It doesn't really tell us exactly what Wise does with regards to recruitment at various levels within the club and what influence he has elsewhere.

 

FWIW I wasn't trying to catch you out.  While I'm happy with certain aspects of recruitment, I'm not entirely sure what Wise does or is supposed to do with regards to that and this IMO is half the problem.  If his role was finally clarified maybe some people wouldn't have the objections they currently have.  Although I know some idiots would still want him out regardless of what the actual facts are.

 

I'm absolutely certain Keegan wasn't allowed to have control over transfers, as he says, and I can't see any reason why anybody would think he wasn't telling the truth.