NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Did you quote the wrong post there? no. I'm addressing the bigger picture that some people are still too blind to see Sublime trolling, old bean. Top stuff! Made this thread a cracking good larf, what what? Trolling ? It isn't my fault you are blind and don't know what you are talking about. Still happy with Ashley are you ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebolarama Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Did you quote the wrong post there? no. I'm addressing the bigger picture that some people are still too blind to see Sublime trolling, old bean. Top stuff! Made this thread a cracking good larf, what what? Trolling ? It isn't my fault you are blind and don't know what you are talking about. Still happy with Ashley are you ? Eh, what? No, I'm not happy with anything at all. I'm a Newcastle fan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. My point, which was a reply to Jayson, stands. It's nonsense to maintain that Nolan or Ryan Taylor wouldn't have been good enough for us in the past, given that we signed and fielded plenty of players who were just as mediocre, or worse. I could have listed more. Naming better signings doesn't change that fact. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Topic: Post 2004 Shearer, or present day Owen... Who was the more valuable asset to the squad? [/discuss] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebolarama Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. That kind of thing is pretty much on the same level as picking out errors with spelling and grammar. The spittle-flecked flailings of an attempt to stir the pot one last time in an "internet discussion". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Players like Ryan Taylor would always be good for the squad, I think that's the main problem though, due to various reasons he's actually starting for us. Don't have a problem with him though being a squad player. Very neat and tidy with a good final delivery. I don't consider Nolan better than Barton or Guthrie btw so if both of those were fit I wouldn't start him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebolarama Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Topic: Post 2004 Shearer, or present day Owen... Who was the more valuable asset to the squad? [/discuss] Ah.. yeah.. my bad. I got sidetracked. Ahem. Shearer, definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I still think that goal against Chelsea in 2004 was pretty much the last we saw of Shearer being the Shearer we knew. He never hit a ball as good as that for us again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. My point, which was a reply to Jayson, stands. It's nonsense to maintain that Nolan or Ryan Taylor wouldn't have been good enough for us in the past, given that we signed and fielded plenty of players who were just as mediocre, or worse. I could have listed more. Naming better signings doesn't change that fact. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. the point being - which I'm not sure you realise but nor do I care - is that you need SOME top quality players in your side, and pay the going rate for them if you want to be a top clb. The Ashley way so far is to sell our best players and replace them with cheaper. Which is nothing other than the actions of a 2nd rate selling club. Anyone who has experienced this, can see it quite clearly. We buy an inferior player from a club like Wigan, [losing a better one who wants to leave and sign for Wigan] and you are trying to justify it ? Says everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Players like Ryan Taylor would always be good for the squad, I think that's the main problem though, due to various reasons he's actually starting for us. Don't have a problem with him though being a squad player. Very neat and tidy with a good final delivery. I don't consider Nolan better than Barton or Guthrie btw so if both of those were fit I wouldn't start him. I've no problem with Nolan who is a decent player and has a lot of spirit and leadership about him, but if you fill your team with too many sub standard players at cheap prices, then you get what you have paid for, a sub standard team. I don't think Guthrie is good enough either, but these players need better players alongside them if you want to lift the club higher. So I agree absolutely with Jayson and your comments too tooj. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. My point, which was a reply to Jayson, stands. It's nonsense to maintain that Nolan or Ryan Taylor wouldn't have been good enough for us in the past, given that we signed and fielded plenty of players who were just as mediocre, or worse. I could have listed more. Naming better signings doesn't change that fact. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. the point being - which I'm not sure you realise but nor do I care - is that you need SOME top quality players in your side, and pay the going rate for them if you want to be a top clb. The Ashley way so far is to sell our best players and replace them with cheaper. Which is nothing other than the actions of a 2nd rate selling club. Anyone who has experienced this, can see it quite clearly. We buy an inferior player from a club like Wigan, [losing a better one who wants to leave and sign for Wigan] and you are trying to justify it ? Says everything. Yes, I believe many of us have heard you make this point once or twice before. And of course everyone would like us to have the best players possible. That surely goes without saying. My point was different. It was that it is nonsense to say that Nolan and Ryan Taylor would not have been good enough for us in the past. You seem here ("I've no problem with Nolan who is a decent player and has a lot of spirit and leadership about him") to be agreeing with me, and yet you confusingly claim to be "absolutely" agreeing with Jayson too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. My point, which was a reply to Jayson, stands. It's nonsense to maintain that Nolan or Ryan Taylor wouldn't have been good enough for us in the past, given that we signed and fielded plenty of players who were just as mediocre, or worse. I could have listed more. Naming better signings doesn't change that fact. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. the point being - which I'm not sure you realise but nor do I care - is that you need SOME top quality players in your side, and pay the going rate for them if you want to be a top clb. The Ashley way so far is to sell our best players and replace them with cheaper. Which is nothing other than the actions of a 2nd rate selling club. Anyone who has experienced this, can see it quite clearly. We buy an inferior player from a club like Wigan, [losing a better one who wants to leave and sign for Wigan] and you are trying to justify it ? Says everything. Yes, I believe many of us have heard you make this point once or twice before. And of course everyone would like us to have the best players possible. That surely goes without saying. My point was different. It was that it is nonsense to say that Nolan and Ryan Taylor would not have been good enough for us in the past. You seem here ("I've no problem with Nolan who is a decent player and has a lot of spirit and leadership about him") to be agreeing with me, and yet you confusingly claim to be "absolutely" agreeing with Jayson too. you think we are making good signings then, of the calibre of Bellamy and Robert etc who shot us into the Champs League ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. My point, which was a reply to Jayson, stands. It's nonsense to maintain that Nolan or Ryan Taylor wouldn't have been good enough for us in the past, given that we signed and fielded plenty of players who were just as mediocre, or worse. I could have listed more. Naming better signings doesn't change that fact. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. the point being - which I'm not sure you realise but nor do I care - is that you need SOME top quality players in your side, and pay the going rate for them if you want to be a top clb. The Ashley way so far is to sell our best players and replace them with cheaper. Which is nothing other than the actions of a 2nd rate selling club. Anyone who has experienced this, can see it quite clearly. We buy an inferior player from a club like Wigan, [losing a better one who wants to leave and sign for Wigan] and you are trying to justify it ? Says everything. Yes, I believe many of us have heard you make this point once or twice before. And of course everyone would like us to have the best players possible. That surely goes without saying. My point was different. It was that it is nonsense to say that Nolan and Ryan Taylor would not have been good enough for us in the past. You seem here ("I've no problem with Nolan who is a decent player and has a lot of spirit and leadership about him") to be agreeing with me, and yet you confusingly claim to be "absolutely" agreeing with Jayson too. you think we are making good signings then, of the calibre of Bellamy and Robert etc who shot us into the Champs League ? I'm sorry, but where did I say that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Which 2nd rate players, I think all signings have been decent bar Xisco but he hasn't played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ryan Taylor is definitely a second rate player. Coloccini had a good start but he's been shite for a long time now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Players like Nolan & Ryan taylor previously wouldnt have been seen to be good enough to play for Newcastle. Clearly our standards have dropped Yeah, bring back Andy O'Brien, Garry Brady, Stephen Glass and Wayne Quinn! or Craig Bellamy, Laurent Robert, Kieron Dyer, Gary Speed, Dietmar Hamman, Jonathon Woodgate, Micheal Owen, Jermaine Jenas, Gary Speed, Duncan Ferguson, Hugo Viana, Oba Martins, Scott Parker........you've got a good handle on the club, with a good view from Berlin there. My point, which was a reply to Jayson, stands. It's nonsense to maintain that Nolan or Ryan Taylor wouldn't have been good enough for us in the past, given that we signed and fielded plenty of players who were just as mediocre, or worse. I could have listed more. Naming better signings doesn't change that fact. And I fail to see what my current geographical location has to do with it. the point being - which I'm not sure you realise but nor do I care - is that you need SOME top quality players in your side, and pay the going rate for them if you want to be a top clb. The Ashley way so far is to sell our best players and replace them with cheaper. Which is nothing other than the actions of a 2nd rate selling club. Anyone who has experienced this, can see it quite clearly. We buy an inferior player from a club like Wigan, [losing a better one who wants to leave and sign for Wigan] and you are trying to justify it ? Says everything. Yes, I believe many of us have heard you make this point once or twice before. And of course everyone would like us to have the best players possible. That surely goes without saying. My point was different. It was that it is nonsense to say that Nolan and Ryan Taylor would not have been good enough for us in the past. You seem here ("I've no problem with Nolan who is a decent player and has a lot of spirit and leadership about him") to be agreeing with me, and yet you confusingly claim to be "absolutely" agreeing with Jayson too. you think we are making good signings then, of the calibre of Bellamy and Robert etc who shot us into the Champs League ? I'm sorry, but where did I say that? Well, I hope you aren't going to go down this road of denial again. You have insinuated earlier that players such as Nolan and [particularly] Ryan Taylor are as good as "some" we have signed in the past. So I am asking you to point out which players we have signed that make you confident enough to claim - or feel - that we will be as successful as in the past, with something in terms of results or the expectancy of results to back it up. Either answer a straight question or opt out of it, its a sensible question, relative to the point of the thread which is about replacing players with either superior or inferior quality. If you don't or can't, then I won't bother replying and as we both know its better for the message board if its left that way. I hope you can be adult about this. Otherwise I will move on and debate with other adults. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Which 2nd rate players, I think all signings have been decent bar Xisco but he hasn't played. they can't be. Otherwise we would be getting better results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Which 2nd rate players, I think all signings have been decent bar Xisco but he hasn't played. they can't be. Otherwise we would be getting better results. The players aren't the only factor. If it was just down to how good our individual players were then we'd have won the league under Souness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Which 2nd rate players, I think all signings have been decent bar Xisco but he hasn't played. they can't be. Otherwise we would be getting better results. The players aren't the only factor. If it was just down to how good our individual players were then we'd have won the league under Souness We've got a 3rd rate manager at best, never mind the 2nd rate players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 You have insinuated earlier that players such as Nolan and [particularly] Ryan Taylor are as good as "some" we have signed in the past. An undeniable fact that you have agreed with already. So I am asking you to point out which players we have signed that make you confident enough to claim - or feel - that we will be as successful as in the past, with something in terms of results or the expectancy of results to back it up. But I have claimed no such thing. If you want to debate with me -- and I note that it was you who initiated this exchange -- please confine your comments to things I have actually said and refrain from trying to put words into my mouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Which 2nd rate players, I think all signings have been decent bar Xisco but he hasn't played. they can't be. Otherwise we would be getting better results. The players aren't the only factor. If it was just down to how good our individual players were then we'd have won the league under Souness We've got a 3rd rate manager at best, never mind the 2nd rate players. I don't think so. I think if we stay up Kinnear will be due a lot of credit for lifting heads although I don't expect a lot of people to recognise or accept it. In the long run, we need to move on from him now I agree with that, and not just for his own sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This season we've swapped. Coloccini for Rozenhal Bassong for Faye R.Taylor for Ramage Guthrie for Emre Jonas for Milner Nolan for Zog In crude terms anyway, some aren't direct swaps. Also lost Given and signed Xisco and Lovekrands, most of those are improvements, I wouldn't say we've become a selling club yet. I would. Particularly when we are signing 2nd rate players while making profits from transfer windows in sales. Which 2nd rate players, I think all signings have been decent bar Xisco but he hasn't played. they can't be. Otherwise we would be getting better results. The players aren't the only factor. If it was just down to how good our individual players were then we'd have won the league under Souness We've got a 3rd rate manager at best, never mind the 2nd rate players. I don't think so. I think if we stay up Kinnear will be due a lot of credit for lifting heads although I don't expect a lot of people to recognise or accept it. In the long run, we need to move on from him now I agree with that, and not just for his own sake. I would applaud Kinnear for keeping us up (assuming he will) since by the time he came in there was never likely much more for him to achieve than that. Doesn't change my opinion that he's a poor manager who needs replacing mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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