thenige Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Also "While playing no active part in coaching United's first team, Donachie has a regular duty at first team home fixtures watching from a seat in the Milburn Stand " and passing on his observations to Alan Pardew & Co." reserves are 20th. Out of 22 I would have thought it's more about getting them to play the right way than winning games. If they can't hoof it aimlessly at Shola get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Players developed by other clubs end up costing millions of pounds. Surely it makes financial sense for Ashley to spend money on a decent youth set up and coaches in the hope that it will save the club (and therefore him) money in the long run. The £35m for Andy Carroll shows how spectacularly it can pay off sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Players developed by other clubs end up costing millions of pounds. Surely it makes financial sense for Ashley to spend money on a decent youth set up and coaches in the hope that it will save the club (and therefore him) money in the long run. The £35m for Andy Carroll shows how spectacularly it can pay off sometimes. We should have bought Southampton's youth setup before they came into money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Haven't we invested a fair bit in the academy and training ground? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Our present position gives the club an opportunity to sort wheat from chaff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Our academy has been like a turd factory and can't even produce decent Championship level footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Players developed by other clubs end up costing millions of pounds. Surely it makes financial sense for Ashley to spend money on a decent youth set up and coaches in the hope that it will save the club (and therefore him) money in the long run. The £35m for Andy Carroll shows how spectacularly it can pay off sometimes. We should have bought Southampton's youth setup before they came into money. Fulham already did (well kinda). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Our academy has been like a turd factory and can't even produce decent Championship level footballers. Totally... I mean except for Tim Krul, Andy Carroll, Sammy Ameobi, Peter Ramage, and Fraser Forster. But other than them, what other Championship level players have they produced? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Our academy has been like a turd factory and can't even produce decent Championship level footballers. Totally... I mean except for Tim Krul, Andy Carroll, Sammy Ameobi, Peter Ramage, and Fraser Forster. But other than them, what other Championship level players have they produced? Shola, Chopra, Bradley Orr, David Edgar, Coppinger. There's probably a few more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Bradley Orr? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 You bugger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Our academy has been like a turd factory and can't even produce decent Championship level footballers. Totally... I mean except for Tim Krul, Andy Carroll, Sammy Ameobi, Peter Ramage, and Fraser Forster. But other than them, what other Championship level players have they produced? Shola, Chopra, Bradley Orr, David Edgar, Coppinger. There's probably a few more. Yup, Kazenga LuaLua too. You can also argue N'Zogbia, but he wasn't in the youth setup long before becoming a first team regular. There are quite a few of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Kazenga LuaLua Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Such a good youth set up it didn't even get Category 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Is that right our club only has 6 outfield coaches(including managers) for the entire playing staff? Pardew, Stone, Carver, Watson, Beardsley & Joyce? Kevin Richardson as well i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Shearer? OH WAIT WE LET HIM GO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. You make that sound like an eternity. He had his breakthrough 3 seasons ago. Have the other academies of Premier League teams been churning out star players since then? Not every player on our books is going to make it. In fact, if 10% of them did we'd have the best youth system in the country. How many other academies have turned out an England international striker in the last 3 or 4 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I don't like to make a habit of defending Pardew but FFS. Some of the guff on here is ridiculous at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. You make that sound like an eternity. He had his breakthrough 3 seasons ago. Have the other academies of Premier League teams been churning out star players since then? Not every player on our books is going to make it. In fact, if 10% of them did we'd have the best youth system in the country. How many other academies have turned out an England international striker in the last 3 or 4 years? You're limiting it to one position, how many forwards will the England squad include? How many current England players will come from the clubs they started out at? Much more telling the amount of youth players coming through squads who make it as first team regulars rather than limiting the parameters so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. You make that sound like an eternity. He had his breakthrough 3 seasons ago. Have the other academies of Premier League teams been churning out star players since then? Not every player on our books is going to make it. In fact, if 10% of them did we'd have the best youth system in the country. How many other academies have turned out an England international striker in the last 3 or 4 years? Do only English international strikers count? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. You make that sound like an eternity. He had his breakthrough 3 seasons ago. Have the other academies of Premier League teams been churning out star players since then? Not every player on our books is going to make it. In fact, if 10% of them did we'd have the best youth system in the country. How many other academies have turned out an England international striker in the last 3 or 4 years? You're limiting it to one position, how many forwards will the England squad include? How many current England players will come from the clubs they started out at? Much more telling the amount of youth players coming through squads who make it as first team regulars rather than limiting the parameters so much. I limit it simply as a testament to the difficulty of the achievement. Even extending to other positions and other nationalities the premise still holds true. No other clubs are turning out quality players at a much different rate. Even teams like Arsenal who have a really good track record of developing young players don't turn out many first teamers over the average 3 years, let alone internationally capped players. Man United, who are thought to have one of the best youth setups in world, don't turn out first teamers or internationals at a much better rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. You make that sound like an eternity. He had his breakthrough 3 seasons ago. Have the other academies of Premier League teams been churning out star players since then? Not every player on our books is going to make it. In fact, if 10% of them did we'd have the best youth system in the country. How many other academies have turned out an England international striker in the last 3 or 4 years? Do only English international strikers count? Not at all, but it's not fair to compare the achievements of turning out an England striker to producing a Bolivian under 21s left-back or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Last young player we developed was Carroll, and unsurprisingly that wasn't under Pardew. You make that sound like an eternity. He had his breakthrough 3 seasons ago. Have the other academies of Premier League teams been churning out star players since then? Not every player on our books is going to make it. In fact, if 10% of them did we'd have the best youth system in the country. How many other academies have turned out an England international striker in the last 3 or 4 years? That's not really the point I'm making. None of our young players have developed whatsoever under Pardew, including the ones we've bought like Santon, Bigirimana etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Not at all, but it's not fair to compare the achievements of turning out an England striker to producing a Bolivian under 21s left-back or whatever. That's far too selective because things can go right by chance and a one off proves nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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