iklgizmo Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Holy f***, man. Those pictures are horrible. Who was standing there taking the pictures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Those pics are awful, I feel sick just looking at them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Holy f***, man. Those pictures are horrible. Who was standing there taking the pictures? The photographers. If you ever watch a Hillsborough documentary and they show you what was happening you will see that the photographers were snapping away as people died. Some of the newspapers had the most horrific pictures in the week following the disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Holy f***, man. Those pictures are horrible. Who was standing there taking the pictures? The photographers. If you ever watch a Hillsborough documentary and they show you what was happening you will see that the photographers were snapping away as people died. Some of the newspapers had the most horrific pictures in the week following the disaster. Could they not have helped? Were the fences openable (is that a word) from the pitchside of the fence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I think they were more concerned on "recording the moment" than actually helping out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 "Were the fences openable (is that a word) from the pitchside of the fence" yes but not easyily I believe if sommat goes wrong when there's a big crowd around 100 people will die - it happened at Ibrox, it happens every damn year on the Haj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 While it's obvious that the police majorly screwed up I think they have been villified excessivley about this whilst the majority of Liverpool fans, and others, are happy to ignore the role that others played in it. If, as has been said here, the problems at Hillsborough were obvious then they should have been dealt with by the ground staff and board of Sheffield Wednesday FC. Also it is shameful that you never hear any condemnation from Liverpool FC of their own fans who went to the game without a ticket. It's ridiculous to think that you can go to a match without a ticket and try to get in. Anybody with half a brain cell can surely see that X into Y doesn't go. Especially when there's a big f***ing metal fence stopping people getting out the other end. And don't forget why the fences were there in the first place, it's because of the abject behaviour of English football fans (obviously not all of them, but enough to make the authorities put up fences) throughout the 70's and 80's. If they had behaved like decent people instead of animals they wouldn't have found themselves caged up like animals. So yes, obviously entrance the ground was shambolically and disasterously policed and stewarded, but there are far more factors in it than just the pigs are c***s and it's their fault the 96 died. There is no way there will be any more justice for them than they have already got. It's a shameful part of English football history but that's what it is. History. Bad s*** happens then you move on. Things are better now and this sort of thing should never happen again. bollox Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 While it's obvious that the police majorly screwed up I think they have been villified excessivley about this whilst the majority of Liverpool fans, and others, are happy to ignore the role that others played in it. If, as has been said here, the problems at Hillsborough were obvious then they should have been dealt with by the ground staff and board of Sheffield Wednesday FC. Also it is shameful that you never hear any condemnation from Liverpool FC of their own fans who went to the game without a ticket. It's ridiculous to think that you can go to a match without a ticket and try to get in. Anybody with half a brain cell can surely see that X into Y doesn't go. Especially when there's a big f***ing metal fence stopping people getting out the other end. And don't forget why the fences were there in the first place, it's because of the abject behaviour of English football fans (obviously not all of them, but enough to make the authorities put up fences) throughout the 70's and 80's. If they had behaved like decent people instead of animals they wouldn't have found themselves caged up like animals. So yes, obviously entrance the ground was shambolically and disasterously policed and stewarded, but there are far more factors in it than just the pigs are c***s and it's their fault the 96 died. There is no way there will be any more justice for them than they have already got. It's a shameful part of English football history but that's what it is. History. Bad s*** happens then you move on. Things are better now and this sort of thing should never happen again. Does standing in front of those terraces, seeing and hearing at close and first hand those scenes that we can hardly bear to look at on our PC screens 20 years on, and doing absolutely f*** all about it equate to "majorly screwing up"? It was CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. "Villified excessivly?" Look at the pictures - look at what they stood by and watched - and think again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 http://www.facebook.com/pages/NUFC-want-justice-for-the-96/220220588008433 I wonder if we'll do a banner as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I hope the matter is debated in parliament and that those 'significant papers' are released into the pubic domain. Sadly I suspect the truth will remain covered up for some time yet until all of the major protagonists are dead or too unwell for further investigation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s pissed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Big Geordie - You're thinking of antagonists mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 http://www.facebook.com/pages/NUFC-want-justice-for-the-96/220220588008433 I wonder if we'll do a banner as well... I hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 RAWK trying to get a standing ovation for Barton sorted when we go to Anfield because of all he's been doing for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Big Geordie - You're thinking of antagonists mate. Yup - you might be right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 RAWK trying to get a standing ovation for Barton sorted when we go to Anfield because of all he's been doing for this. Fair enough. Barton's image consultant is top class like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s pissed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Us at Spurs in the FA Cup in 87 was supposed to be very similar. 12000 went down for that and were shoehorned in by all accounts, with some fans having to escape by climbing to the top tier. Am sure there are some fellow old-timers on here who may well have been there (I listened in on Metro) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 At the end of the day which side you support means nowt when people are dying. I'd be just as mortified if it was Sunderland fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s pissed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Us at Spurs in the FA Cup in 87 was supposed to be very similar. 12000 went down for that and were shoehorned in by all accounts, with some fans having to escape by climbing to the top tier. Am sure there are some fellow old-timers on here who may well have been there (I listened in on Metro) just reading back through this thread, i posted about that very match, got seperated from my dad in the crush- it was mental, i watched it from top of a fence, just to get out the crowd, as a skinny 19yr old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s p*ssed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Us at Spurs in the FA Cup in 87 was supposed to be very similar. 12000 went down for that and were shoehorned in by all accounts, with some fans having to escape by climbing to the top tier. Am sure there are some fellow old-timers on here who may well have been there (I listened in on Metro) Yep was at that game. Time has dimmed the memory but recall standing on the side of one of the pens behind the goal for most of the game. Some barriers actually broke at the hinges and came away under the strain. Recall the Met weren't too keen to allow those getting crushed at the front out and into the section to the extreme right which was next to their fans. Was closed for segregation, in the end they had to open the gates at the front and allow a fair few into that section. Much gentle banter insued. I was 16 and terrified for the first 40 or so minutes until I was able to get across and up onto the side. Easily could have been close to or as bad as Hillsborough. Feckin coppas in those days down there were real bastards. Got a right chasing outside as well, perfect day really. Also recall arriving at Kings Cross after the game in staggered fashion due to the mayhem and confusion outside. Around 100 or so Man Utd fans were on the other side of the platform, think they played Chelsea in the league that day. Good thing the train arrived within a few minutes as our little group of 20-30 or so Mags could have had another big problem if their staring at us was anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s pissed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Us at Spurs in the FA Cup in 87 was supposed to be very similar. 12000 went down for that and were shoehorned in by all accounts, with some fans having to escape by climbing to the top tier. Am sure there are some fellow old-timers on here who may well have been there (I listened in on Metro) just reading back through this thread, i posted about that very match, got seperated from my dad in the crush- it was mental, i watched it from top of a fence, just to get out the crowd, as a skinny 19yr old. Yup - noticed that having re-read the first page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s p*ssed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Us at Spurs in the FA Cup in 87 was supposed to be very similar. 12000 went down for that and were shoehorned in by all accounts, with some fans having to escape by climbing to the top tier. Am sure there are some fellow old-timers on here who may well have been there (I listened in on Metro) Yep was at that game. Time has dimmed the memory but recall standing on the side of one of the pens behind the goal for most of the game. Some barriers actually broke at the hinges and came away under the strain. Recall the Met weren't too keen to allow those getting crushed at the front out and into the section to the extreme right which was next to their fans. Was closed for segregation, in the end they had to open the gates at the front and allow a fair few into that section. Much gentle banter insued. I was 16 and terrified for the first 40 or so minutes until I was able to get across and up onto the side. Easily could have been close to or as bad as Hillsborough. Feckin coppas in those days down there were real bastards. Got a right chasing outside as well, perfect day really. i was on the fence to that segregation section they opened, watching seat parts flying down from the shelf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 ive thought for a long time, it was a combination of factors, bad/ unsafe stadium design....penning people in the middle sections. poor policing, hindered/ influenced by the behavior of fans during 70s and 80s p*ssed fans turning up late without tickets. put the three together, recipe for disaster. RIP Liverpool fans that were lost- it could have happend at any big game around that time,looking back the warning signs were there, they were the unlucky ones. Us at Spurs in the FA Cup in 87 was supposed to be very similar. 12000 went down for that and were shoehorned in by all accounts, with some fans having to escape by climbing to the top tier. Am sure there are some fellow old-timers on here who may well have been there (I listened in on Metro) Yep was at that game. Time has dimmed the memory but recall standing on the side of one of the pens behind the goal for most of the game. Some barriers actually broke at the hinges and came away under the strain. Recall the Met weren't too keen to allow those getting crushed at the front out and into the section to the extreme right which was next to their fans. Was closed for segregation, in the end they had to open the gates at the front and allow a fair few into that section. Much gentle banter insued. I was 16 and terrified for the first 40 or so minutes until I was able to get across and up onto the side. Easily could have been close to or as bad as Hillsborough. Feckin coppas in those days down there were real bastards. Got a right chasing outside as well, perfect day really. i was on the fence to that segregation section they opened, watching seat parts flying down from the shelf Lets not forget the flying bottles...was ridiculous, like a war Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The most incredible away support I have ever seen. Mate's dad was in the Met,'and he said the final police estimate was 14000. A lot of the coppers just stood open-mouthed for most of the afternoon. Remember giving Alf Garnett dog's abuse when he came on the pitch at half-time. Jesus, I feel old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Holy f***, man. Those pictures are horrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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