Dave Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I still think this is all just a huge (and ridiculous) gamble by Ashley. He's had some decent ideas and plans, but failed to address the two most important issues; the quality of the first team and the quality of the manager. He's clearly expecting the club to stay up this season with very little investment. But if we somehow manage to survive the drop this year, what happens then? Do you think it's inevitable we'll struggle again or do you see a more positive future? I'm not sure myself. With some of the high-earning wasters out of the way we're freed up to spend wages on new players. Money will start to come in for those we've sold recently and money we've spent/owe on players will be decreasing all the time; we should know exactly where we stand. The club will know as the fans do that Kinnear isn't up to the task, both tactically and physically. Ashley has made a monumental fuck up of this season, but there's no way he'd be so thick as to make the same misjudgements again... right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 down, unquestionably - needs to be added to the poll, no doubt for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 No idea. If Kinnear signs a new contract we'll have a repeat of this season. No matter how much money is released he'll just waste it on talentless cloggers like Nolan and Ryan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Mid table consolidation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 As it stands just more of the same poor results and poor club running, IF Ashley gets in a decent manager then maybe just maybe we will have a better season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 No way of knowing. It depends what conclusion Ashley comes to really - he must know we're struggling but does he even realise it's up to him to do something about it? If he's got any sense in him he'll bring in a better manager and give them a reasonable transfer kitty to work with. Doesn't have to be particularly extravagent, just reasonable, something like £15m+sales. That would see us fine. Can't say I'm holding out a huge amount of hope mind. If he does nothing it'll be grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think he'll sell up if we do stay up. He must realise this will never ever work so why waste a few more years of his life and x amount of money so he can be slammed by the fans and the media again. ASHLEY JUST DO THE RIGHT THING AND FUCK OFF YOU DOPEY TWAT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I still think this is all just a huge (and ridiculous) gamble by Ashley. He's had some decent ideas and plans, but failed to address the two most important issues; the quality of the first team and the quality of the manager. He's clearly expecting the club to stay up this season with very little investment. But if we somehow manage to survive the drop this year, what happens then? Do you think it's inevitable we'll struggle again or do you see a more positive future? I'm not sure myself. With some of the high-earning wasters out of the way we're freed up to spend wages on new players. Money will start to come in for those we've sold recently and money we've spent/owe on players will be decreasing all the time; we should know exactly where we stand. The club will know as the fans do that Kinnear isn't up to the task, both tactically and physically. Ashley has made a monumental fuck up of this season, but there's no way he'd be so thick as to make the same misjudgements again... right? With any normal human being I'd agree. But apparently Ashley is willing to allow a man who has never won a game as manager of Newcastle United to stay in charge for the last 8 games of a season when we're in the bottom three already. In the hope that a man recovering from triple heart bypass surgery, who doesn't have a great win record himself, will get back in time to save us. All this season I've been thinking the same as you've just said, that we're trying to cut costs down for a few seasons to a point were we can start again to a degree. With next season being the one were it will begin (considering we're supposed to be almost breaking even by then) But I'll no longer put anything past Mike Ashley, if someone told me he wanted to sell Newcastle's squad into prostitution I'd be 50/50 on whether or not to believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You just can't believe a businessman would make such monkey-brain decisions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 No way of knowing. It depends what conclusion Ashley comes to really - he must know we're struggling but does he even realise it's up to him to do something about it? If he's got any sense in him he'll bring in a better manager and give them a reasonable transfer kitty to work with. Doesn't have to be particularly extravagent, just reasonable, something like £15m+sales. That would see us fine. Can't say I'm holding out a huge amount of hope mind. If he does nothing it'll be grim. The solution to all this malarkey is so fucking simple really!!!!!! it's mind boggling!!! as you say, new manager, clear the dead-wood, reasonable transfer budget. The hardest part will be picking the right manager. Why not consult SBR on who he might see as a good manager for the future? Give the man the job, and allow him to build a squad up for 2 or 3 years and take stock at that point. Also, got to be a manager/coaching staff ready and willing to work with the youth and bring them through ffs!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You just can't believe a businessman would make such monkey-brain decisions You can understand a businessman listening to the people around him though. If Ashley is clueless (as most of us suspect) then he can only go on what the people he's appointed advise him. Presumably Wise thinks the squad and manager are as good as Llambias does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mucky01 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You just can't believe a successful businessman would make such monkey-brain decisions yep, I still can’t believe the crassness of the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You just can't believe a businessman would make such monkey-brain decisions You can understand a businessman listening to the people around him though. If Ashley is clueless (as most of us suspect) then he can only go on what the people he's appointed advise him. Presumably Wise thinks the squad and manager are as good as Llambias does. I do have an image of Ashley as a chimp sitting behind a desk with a Newcastle shirt and bowler hat on, smoking a cigar, losing his temper like a chimp and slapping the table with both hands if anyone dares mention Venables, for some reason.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Totally dependent on the manager IMO, keep JFK and we'll prob go in, get a proper manager in and we'll flounder in mid table Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mucky01 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 No way of knowing. It depends what conclusion Ashley comes to really - he must know we're struggling but does he even realise it's up to him to do something about it? If he's got any sense in him he'll bring in a better manager and give them a reasonable transfer kitty to work with. Doesn't have to be particularly extravagent, just reasonable, something like £15m+sales. That would see us fine. Can't say I'm holding out a huge amount of hope mind. If he does nothing it'll be grim. The solution to all this malarkey is so f***ing simple really!!!!!! it's mind boggling!!! as you say, new manager, clear the dead-wood, reasonable transfer budget. The hardest part will be picking the right manager. Why not consult SBR on who he might see as a good manager for the future? Give the man the job, and allow him to build a squad up for 2 or 3 years and take stock at that point. Also, got to be a manager/coaching staff ready and willing to work with the youth and bring them through ffs!! he obviously thinks he knows better and is deluded, conceited and arrogant enough to continue his theories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think if the football club stays in the divison it will slowly grow and the system will work! Bringing in a few better players replacing dead wood every season as the club gradually climbs up the table! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You just can't believe a businessman would make such monkey-brain decisions You can understand a businessman listening to the people around him though. If Ashley is clueless (as most of us suspect) then he can only go on what the people he's appointed advise him. Presumably Wise thinks the squad and manager are as good as Llambias does. wise has played at the highest level, no way on earth he can think this squad is good enough, no way phrase it a different way though, does he think it's the best he could acheive within the financial boundaries? i posed this question ages ago about his role as a director of football and was shot down but i think it's about the most accurate view there is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think if the football club stays in the divison it will slowly grow and the system will work! Bringing in a few better players replacing dead wood every season as the club gradually climbs up the table! They have had 3 windows to do that already and look at the non productive players they've brought in, so what makes you think they'll magically turn it around should we survive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think if the football club stays in the divison it will slowly grow and the system will work! Bringing in a few better players replacing dead wood every season as the club gradually climbs up the table! For that to happen we'll need a proper manager. I would give Ashley the benefit of the doubt in assuming one was coming in the close season, except the fat dolt has offered Joe a new contract and Llambias spends every waking moment telling us how many days before he'll be able to return. Based on that my optimism is non-existent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think if the football club stays in the divison it will slowly grow and the system will work! Bringing in a few better players replacing dead wood every season as the club gradually climbs up the table! They have had 3 windows to do that already and look at the non productive players they've brought in, so what makes you think they'll magically turn it around should we survive? Problem is they had 3 and a half windows with 3 different managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Luque Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Our relegation will be a blessing in disguise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think if the football club stays in the divison it will slowly grow and the system will work! Bringing in a few better players replacing dead wood every season as the club gradually climbs up the table! They have had 3 windows to do that already and look at the non productive players they've brought in, so what makes you think they'll magically turn it around should we survive? Problem is they had 3 and a half windows with 3 different managers Aye but that half window couldn't have been prepared for like the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mucky01 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 is today day release day from Rampton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 More of the same old shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Kinnear will sign the contract, but the board won't sit and watch us linger in the relegation zone for the duration of the season. It'll reach October/November and they'll realise the mistake, sack Kinnear, appoint someone capable, and we'll finish in a mediocre position, safe from relegation though. A Roeder-style season, basically. Guess you could say that's optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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