Tottenham Hotspur 1 - 0 Newcastle - 19/04/08 - post match reaction from page 25

[mrmojorisin75]

Shearer is repeating the previous managers mistake of playing Owen in hopes he nicks a goal regardless of his form or team formation. The lad has scored two (2) away goals all season. The team is playing so awfully that there would be better chance of nicking a goal with two or three big forwards battling for every long ball pumped out of the defence. Steven Taylor would probably do a better job up front in this situation than what Owen does.

 

The team needs some inspirational play upfront. Seeing Owen jogging around and making couple sprints in hopes of receiving inch-perfect pass isn't inspirational and "luxury" that the team can't afford. Put a big, ugly, in-your-face forward there to bruise people and the match dynamics start to change.

 

This lets-hope-Owen-nicks-a-goal is b*****t that's got to stop.

 

the alternative to playing owen please?  given we've no midfield worth a turd

 

4-4-2 with wingers that either can't cross or take people on as far as i can see

 

Given how shite the team is in terms of keeping possession and playing it around I'd like to see us switch to the Bolton and Stoke tactics rather than trying to play a game that we don't have players or time for.

 

Carroll/Viduka/Ameobi up front and just keep pumping as many long balls, crosses and long throws as possible and that way put them under pressure and generate at least some chances. That tactic has to pay off more than keeping Owen there and hope he'd get that one perfect chance and put it away.    

 

Put the four hard-tacklers Butt, Smith, Jonas and Barton in midfield and we'd have fair chances of winning the 50-50 balls.

 

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i can't agree

 

those systems work with players who are used to it and geared for it, ours are not

 

having seen martins and viduka in the last 30 yesterday i honestly think that finishing team (minus duff & butt) is the one we should play...viduka seems to thrive on playing with martins and if they're causing havoc then i would personally back owen to exploit the space

 

we have to play this at home, jesus, 'boro & pompey will be having wet dreams about us hoying balls up in the air at them rather than trying to play

 

long ball has done nothing for us all season, why would it work now?

[TRon]

Shearer is repeating the previous managers mistake of playing Owen in hopes he nicks a goal regardless of his form or team formation. The lad has scored two (2) away goals all season. The team is playing so awfully that there would be better chance of nicking a goal with two or three big forwards battling for every long ball pumped out of the defence. Steven Taylor would probably do a better job up front in this situation than what Owen does.

 

The team needs some inspirational play upfront. Seeing Owen jogging around and making couple sprints in hopes of receiving inch-perfect pass isn't inspirational and "luxury" that the team can't afford. Put a big, ugly, in-your-face forward there to bruise people and the match dynamics start to change.

 

This lets-hope-Owen-nicks-a-goal is b*****t that's got to stop.

 

the alternative to playing owen please?  given we've no midfield worth a turd

 

4-4-2 with wingers that either can't cross or take people on as far as i can see

 

Given how shite the team is in terms of keeping possession and playing it around I'd like to see us switch to the Bolton and Stoke tactics rather than trying to play a game that we don't have players or time for.

 

Carroll/Viduka/Ameobi up front and just keep pumping as many long balls, crosses and long throws as possible and that way put them under pressure and generate at least some chances. That tactic has to pay off more than keeping Owen there and hope he'd get that one perfect chance and put it away.    

 

Put the four hard-tacklers Butt, Smith, Jonas and Barton in midfield and we'd have fair chances of winning the 50-50 balls.

 

.

 

i can't agree

 

those systems work with players who are used to it and geared for it, ours are not

 

having seen martins and viduka in the last 30 yesterday i honestly think that finishing team (minus duff & butt) is the one we should play...viduka seems to thrive on playing with martins and if they're causing havoc then i would personally back owen to exploit the space

 

we have to play this at home, jesus, 'boro & pompey will be having wet dreams about us hoying balls up in the air at them rather than trying to play

 

long ball has done nothing for us all season, why would it work now?

 

Pumping long balls towards midget strikers isn't a good idea, but if we put in a couple of big strikers with midfielders willing to make supporting runs I can see what bsl is getting at. But our best bet is to try and replicate last season's 4-3-3 with Martins and Viduka playing a role I agree. We must ditch the cloggers in midfield for it to work though.

[Dave]

That Owen stats is appalling. I don't care how shit the service has been, two goals away from home all season is absolutely desperate stuff for any striker.

[Dave]

*stat

[junkhead]

even if we do what do we have to look forward to?

Kinear as manager, hughton as assistant, players that are'nt good enough(owen, duff, butt, raylor) and an owner that just does'nt seem to be able to get decisions right.

that's what I'm thinking.. I'd rather shoot myself than witness another season like this one..

 

I know relegation would be a disaster for the club and the city and all that.. I can't help but feel we need to go through this in order to filter the crap in the team..

 

And let's name them once again - Nicky Butt, Michael Owen, Damien Duff, Alan Smith, Mark Viduka, Kevin Nolan, Ryan fucking Taylor, Shola Ameobi.. The so-called professional, vastly experienced nucleus of the squad which is  directly responsible for where we are now. .. That group must have 5 good games this season between them and yet the few managers that we have still consider them somewhat important to our survival 'fight'?

Fuck that shit man.. those wankers must all be shown the door after this season. They've taken the piss out of the fans for far too long. I can't believe some of them even have the audacity to fuck around in clubs in the city.. if this was Italy or even fucking Bulgaria, legs would've been broken a long time ago and that's what such disgraceful mercenary cunts deserve

[Guest Phil K]

There are too many sulkers and non-triers in the squad.

Overpaid prima-donnas too

 

I say tell Big Al to get his shirt on and play - he's got more go and guts, possibly even fitter than 90% of the team

He's got more heart and backbone than ALL of them

[Tisd09]

With the disallowed goal I can fully understand why that would have been dissallowed but if Oba did that in his own penalty area and cleared the ball away do you think a pen would have been given, I think not, so on that basis the goal should have stood.

 

Where are the straws gone lads I am running out..

[eaststar]

My rant is as follows:

 

• Was Nolan even on the field? I did not see him do ONE thing positive.
   
  Nicky Butt, piss off. seriously. piss off. waste of space. and I hate how commentators rave on abouy him.  The worst is when he puts in a crap pass (which is 99% of the time) and they say "that's is so uncharactheristic of such a quality player". piss off.
   
  Where was guthrie? Guthrie is such a better passer of the ball than the above clowns.
   
  The commentators pissed me off.  Totally pro-spurs...and having the cheek to tell Shearer "you don't know what you are doing" totally pissed me off.  Condescending, patronising, smug toads.
   
  owen. yes he did nothing - but he could do nothing without any quality in midfield.
   
  Ryan Taylor. Saw nothing of his so called "dead ball specialist" skills. 
  
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COME ON LADS

 

[Skirge]

The only reason we had a decent'ish end to the game was the exact same reason we had a decent'ish end to the Stoke game, both of them had a 1-0 lead and sat back in the latter stages. The changes halped as they did vs Stoke but thats two games now where Al has started the wrong 11, he HAS to get it right for next Monday.

[Jayson]

Al did cock up the formation though, cant take all blame away from Shearer.

 

It was clear from the get go, anytime we pressured them they just knocked it over to the other side and carried on. Thats why lennon kept getting on the ball, we couldnt do anything. He sould have switched to 4 in the middle as soon as they started exploiting that weakness......he didnt. Obviously hes learning still...so i dont judge him harshly for it. We just need him to be learning a whole lot quicker than he is.

[Guest neesy111]

My rant is as follows:

 

• Was Nolan even on the field? I did not see him do ONE thing positive.
   
  Nicky Butt, piss off. seriously. piss off. waste of space. and I hate how commentators rave on abouy him.  The worst is when he puts in a crap pass (which is 99% of the time) and they say "that's is so uncharactheristic of such a quality player". piss off.
   
  Where was guthrie? Guthrie is such a better passer of the ball than the above clowns.
   
  The commentators pissed me off.  Totally pro-spurs...and having the cheek to tell Shearer "you don't know what you are doing" totally pissed me off.  Condescending, patronising, smug toads.
   
  owen. yes he did nothing - but he could do nothing without any quality in midfield.
   
  Ryan Taylor. Saw nothing of his so called "dead ball specialist" skills. 
  
• 
  

 

 

COME ON LADS

 

 

if owen couldn't do anything without a good midfield, then how did martins and viduka do 10x more than him in just 30 minutes on the pitch

 

owen is finished, strikers that rely totally on very good service are not that good strikers tbh

[TaylorJ_01]

What a poor performance.

 

Firstly, it was clear that a player with even an ounce of quality upfront is a must. Unfortunately Viduka looks to be the only one. He seems to link up well with Martins and could surely exploit the occassionaly decent runs that Owen makes.

 

We also need someone who can deliver a ball. It was embarrassing that Ryan Taylor couldn't get it past the first man. Ruins the chance and offers a counter attack opportunity for the other team. Fucking disgraceful. Even Duff's delivery was better than his. Despite Geremi being pretty poor sometimes he is worth a shout even just for this, plus I don't think he is half as bad as people make out.

 

Butt was pretty terrible today. I respect him for his work rate but the passing is terrible.

 

Luckily our defence doesn't seem to be too bad nowadays. Bassong, Taylor, Beye and Enrique are all quality players so I suppose it lets us focus on the shite elsewhere in the team.

 

I'd go for this

 

                  Harper

 

Beye    Taylor    Bassong    (Enrique)

 

                    (Barton)/Guthrie

 

Jonas                      (Lovenkrands)/Duff

 

                        Owen

 

          Martins                Viduka

 

 

Players in brackets I would play if fit. I think our defence is strong enough now to withstand the extra strain from only a 3 man midfield (to be honest the usual midfield puts them in more trouble). It may be a bit too attacking but fuck it if we don't score we can't ever get three points.

[Guest toonlass]

Harper 5

Beye 7

S. Taylor 5 (Smith 6)

Bassong 7

R. Taylor 2

Nolan 2 (Viduka 6)

Butt 2

Jonas 5

Duff 5

Owen 3

Carroll 5 (Martins 7)

 

As good as down, no chance we will win all 3 home games, i think we'll win one (boro), lose one (fulham) and draw the other (pompy). We will get hammered at anfield and might even grab a draw at villa but it will be all over by that game anyway.

 

How can you give Bassong a 7 for that performance. He gifted the ball to Darren Bent for the goal man. What did Carroll get a 5 for? He was ineffective. Mental scoring tbh.

[junkhead]

Harper 5

Beye 7

S. Taylor 5 (Smith 6)

Bassong 7

R. Taylor 2

Nolan 2 (Viduka 6)

Butt 2

Jonas 5

Duff 5

Owen 3

Carroll 5 (Martins 7)

 

As good as down, no chance we will win all 3 home games, i think we'll win one (boro), lose one (fulham) and draw the other (pompy). We will get hammered at anfield and might even grab a draw at villa but it will be all over by that game anyway.

 

How can you give Bassong a 7 for that performance. He gifted the ball to Darren Bent for the goal man. What did Carroll get a 5 for? He was ineffective. Mental scoring tbh.

have a word.. Bassong held the whole team together as always

[Guest toonlass]

Harper 5

Beye 7

S. Taylor 5 (Smith 6)

Bassong 7

R. Taylor 2

Nolan 2 (Viduka 6)

Butt 2

Jonas 5

Duff 5

Owen 3

Carroll 5 (Martins 7)

 

As good as down, no chance we will win all 3 home games, i think we'll win one (boro), lose one (fulham) and draw the other (pompy). We will get hammered at anfield and might even grab a draw at villa but it will be all over by that game anyway.

 

How can you give Bassong a 7 for that performance. He gifted the ball to Darren Bent for the goal man. What did Carroll get a 5 for? He was ineffective. Mental scoring tbh.

have a word.. Bassong held the whole team together as always

 

Have a word yourself. Beye held it together more.

[joeyt]

Got to wonder what they practice in training, if we continue to hit the first man from corners

[JH]

Harper 5

Beye 7

S. Taylor 5 (Smith 6)

Bassong 7

R. Taylor 2

Nolan 2 (Viduka 6)

Butt 2

Jonas 5

Duff 5

Owen 3

Carroll 5 (Martins 7)

 

As good as down, no chance we will win all 3 home games, i think we'll win one (boro), lose one (fulham) and draw the other (pompy). We will get hammered at anfield and might even grab a draw at villa but it will be all over by that game anyway.

 

How can you give Bassong a 7 for that performance. He gifted the ball to Darren Bent for the goal man. What did Carroll get a 5 for? He was ineffective. Mental scoring tbh.

have a word.. Bassong held the whole team together as always

 

Have a word yourself. Beye held it together more.

 

Aye, whatever. Bassong spent the majority of the game in the centre of defence by himself. Beye's getting on a bit now and really struggled to keep up with Spurs quick playing at times. Much more suited to his normal RB position.

[junkhead]

There is a few players holding things together, if you can even say it that way, Beye, Jonas and Bassong.

those three and Martins are our only top quality players.. I respect them because they continue to give their all..

Owen, Butt, Duff etc have given up a long time ago and shouldn't be anywhere the first team at this stage.. if Shearer doesn't drop them we're down without even fighting.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

All over bar the singing. Fucking atrocious once again.

[alexf]

just remembered tottenham spend £46 million in january. keane 16m defoe 15m palacios 12m chimbonda 3m. and we made a profit with the sales of given and n'zogbia. not hard to see why they have climbed the table and we have sunk.

[mrmojorisin75]

just remembered tottenham spend £46 million in january. keane 16m defoe 15m palacios 12m chimbonda 3m. and we made a profit with the sales of given and n'zogbia. not hard to see why they have climbed the table and we have sunk.

 

46m

 

and they're still pretty fucking shit  

[eaststar]

My rant is as follows:

 

• Was Nolan even on the field? I did not see him do ONE thing positive.
   
  Nicky Butt, piss off. seriously. piss off. waste of space. and I hate how commentators rave on abouy him.  The worst is when he puts in a crap pass (which is 99% of the time) and they say "that's is so uncharactheristic of such a quality player". piss off.
   
  Where was guthrie? Guthrie is such a better passer of the ball than the above clowns.
   
  The commentators pissed me off.  Totally pro-spurs...and having the cheek to tell Shearer "you don't know what you are doing" totally pissed me off.  Condescending, patronising, smug toads.
   
  owen. yes he did nothing - but he could do nothing without any quality in midfield.
   
  Ryan Taylor. Saw nothing of his so called "dead ball specialist" skills. 
  
• 
  

 

 

COME ON LADS

 

 

if owen couldn't do anything without a good midfield, then how did martins and viduka do 10x more than him in just 30 minutes on the pitch

 

owen is finished, strikers that rely totally on very good service are not that good strikers tbh

 

fair point regarding owen although i don't agree fully.

 

But my point is more pointed towards our crap midfield.  There is no one in our midfield other than Jonas and Guthrie who gives me any confidence (I haven't seen enough of Nacho yet tbh....haha).  I don't think ANY other premier league team/player will look at Nicky Butt and think, "crap, we're gonna have a hard day today".  Ridiculous how crap our midfield is. 

 

[Martin Lol]

just remembered tottenham spend £46 million in january. keane 16m defoe 15m palacios 12m chimbonda 3m. and we made a profit with the sales of given and n'zogbia. not hard to see why they have climbed the table and we have sunk.

 

46m

 

and they're still pretty f***ing s***  

 

The league table since signing Palacios et al seems to suggest otherwise.....................

 

 

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8383/picture2pxx.png

[Ashley17]

just remembered tottenham spend £46 million in january. keane 16m defoe 15m palacios 12m chimbonda 3m. and we made a profit with the sales of given and n'zogbia. not hard to see why they have climbed the table and we have sunk.

 

46m

 

and they're still pretty f***ing s***  

 

The league table since signing Palacios et al seems to suggest otherwise.....................

 

 

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8383/picture2pxx.png

 

That shows Nolan and Ryan Taylor have improved us, and thus is wrong.

[mrmojorisin75]

just remembered tottenham spend £46 million in january. keane 16m defoe 15m palacios 12m chimbonda 3m. and we made a profit with the sales of given and n'zogbia. not hard to see why they have climbed the table and we have sunk.

 

46m

 

and they're still pretty f***ing s***  

 

The league table since signing Palacios et al seems to suggest otherwise.....................

 

 

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8383/picture2pxx.png

 

couldn't see the image so i don't know what you've posted - anyways i watched you with my own two eyes sunday and you weren't "all that" to use a little ghetto jive

 

your a fucksite better than us, granted, but who isn't?

 

spurs fans excuses are laughable; for the amount of money you've spent, irrespective of sales, your team doesn't reflect it on the pitch

 

palacios is mint btw the way and you'll get better with redknapp no doubt