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Beardsley too. Though it's fair to say from that list only SAS really looked the business in England colours.

 

Wouldn't that be because the others didn't get much of a go? rightly or wrong i'm pretty sure if the likes of Wright had more opportunities he would have performed better.

 

On that same token if they were around now we would look a lot better IMO.

I think you may be onto something there.

 

:lol: was a silly comment to make but felt i had to for my post to make sense  :lol:

 

F*ck it.

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Collymore just tweeted this:

 

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Ridiculous the amount of striking talent England had in the mid-90s.

 

That would have been a list just 12 months after England failed to qualify for a World Cup, and before the mass influx of foreign players came into this league.

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Danny Mills talking a lot of sense

 

First time those words have ever been uttered.

 

What was he saying? We're average and need to accept, players lack drive, no world class players?

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Danny Mills talking a lot of sense

 

First time those words have ever been uttered.

 

What was he saying? We're average and need to accept, players lack drive, no world class players?

 

Pretty much. He even dared criticise Rooney and say that people need to realise that he isn't the player he once was. :thup:

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It was just panic by individuals last night. The amount of times we just hoofed it out of play or up the pitch without thinking was criminal. When we're under a bit of pressure we just don't think to relieve it by keeping possession.

 

Missed Wilshere which given his age and lack of games for England is slightly embarrassing already.

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Why can't Roy Keane f*** off and commentate on Ireland's games?  Whatever we do, the c*** always seems to slag us off regardless.

 

Quite like Keane's punditry personally. Seems to steer clear of the arse licking most pundits tend to give England/the top Prem sides when they're playing on shI-TV.

He's hilarious. Glad he's not my boss or something. Can see why he's a crap manager. Bad for morale.

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can't remember the last time i saw an england line up, when we are putting out the best we can muster, that had so many players who were squad players for their clubs.

 

Agreed. Half the side.

 

IMO this is the biggest problem. Made worse that they get the nod over players playing regularly for smaller clubs.

 

Milner, Cleverley are proper rotation players which is okay. Welbeck gets the nod for big games so even that's not the worst. But Smalling and Lescott are at best 4th choice. They shouldn't play.

 

 

Look at the side that beat Germany 5-1. Mostly young but also regulars at that age.

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Are you guys in anger or something? Or you just dont care?

 

The latter. I'd prefer Newcastle to win a throw in than England to win the World Cup

 

Yes. The last conversation we had about this is coming back to my mind!  ;D

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Discovering Brazil again in 2014

 

"Stay calm, lads! Seems that some winds coming from Azerbaijan just started to blow and this old piece of crap is moving again!"

 

;D ;D ;D

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It was just panic by individuals last night. The amount of times we just hoofed it out of play or up the pitch without thinking was criminal. When we're under a bit of pressure we just don't think to relieve it by keeping possession.

 

Yeah, I agree. When Montenegro changed their formation in the second half, that should have given us an extra man in the midfield, but if you bang the ball over the heads then the advantage is lost.

 

It reminded me of how we (ie NUFC) sometimes play (though not as often as before). The British disease is a lack of confidence in passing and retaining the ball under pressure. Although we do produce players with just as much skill as the continentals, our technical ability is often confined to half the team. If we're to achieve real fluency, all the players need to show some level of technical competence. It's not just a matter of confidence in your own ability, but in your team-mates as well.

 

I lost count of the number of passes that went slightly behind a team-mate, because the passer wasn't confident about playing the ball into their stride. You see it so often.

 

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It was just panic by individuals last night. The amount of times we just hoofed it out of play or up the pitch without thinking was criminal. When we're under a bit of pressure we just don't think to relieve it by keeping possession.

 

Yeah, I agree. When Montenegro changed their formation in the second half, that should have given us an extra man in the midfield, but if you bang the ball over the heads then the advantage is lost.

 

It reminded me of how we (ie NUFC) sometimes play (though not as often as before). The British disease is a lack of confidence in passing and retaining the ball under pressure. Although we do produce players with just as much skill as the continentals, our technical ability is often confined to half the team. If we're to achieve real fluency, all the players need to show some level of technical competence. It's not just a matter of confidence in your own ability, but in your team-mates as well.

 

I lost count of the number of passes that went slightly behind a team-mate, because the passer wasn't confident about playing the ball into their stride. You see it so often.

 

Lots of pressure?

 

I think that in these qualifiers the players main objective is not to get hurt.

 

Playing football like that is the first step to lose.

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A lot of the abject mediocrity is down to Capello not bombing out all of the same old faces after 2010 , and Hodgson for carrying on with the same policy. If the likes of Lampard, Gerrard , Cole , Ferdinand and even Terry  weren't good enough to bring success to England in their prime, why would they be now all are past their best ? Capello should've started from scratch after that WC and now we may have been seeing some positive performances.

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A lot of the abject mediocrity is down to Capello not bombing out all of the same old faces after 2010 , and Hodgson for carrying on with the same policy. If the likes of Lampard, Gerrard , Cole , Ferdinand and even Terry  weren't good enough to bring success to England in their prime, why would they be now all are past their best ? Capello should've started from scratch after that WC and now we may have been seeing some positive performances.

 

 

So barring those players, what's the strongest squad for England?

 

                          Hart                           

              Lescott        Cahill

Johnson                              Baines

              Wilshere    Carrick

Walcott                                Young

                      Rooney

                      Welbeck

 

 

:dontknow:

 

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I'd have put youngsters in. Id have picked Rooney purely as a centre forward, and I would probably have made him captain. Don't want him dropping deep . Id have the likes of Caulker, Sterling, Ox, Clyne and Shaw all starting now. Let's build for 2018. We will do fuck all in 2014 even if we qualify.

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