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Have you watched much of PSG this season? Apart from the games against Barca in the CL I haven't been impressed with him really. He's clearly talented but its just fits and starts, the odd little cameo.

 

At the Olympics I was very impressed.

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Have you watched much of PSG this season? Apart from the games against Barca in the CL I haven't been impressed with him really. He's clearly talented but its just fits and starts, the odd little cameo.

 

At the Olympics I was very impressed.

 

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He's played almost 10 games for PSG at the beginning and then had couple of niggling injuries which left him out. Been very good for them this season, watched them a lot because of swedish tv obsession with Ibra so PSG games are always on. He's been more productive than anyone in that team bar Ibra, contributing with a goal every 2 games. And also he's only made one cameo the whole season.

 

In the Olympics he was on the bench and didn't do much whenever he came on, so I don't know how he impressed you in the Olympics except showing the obvious burst of speed he has and some technical moves. His all around game is much better, and whenever he got the ball yesterday he tried something.

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Another thing Hulk is shite, he needs to be benched.

Was Lucas in the squad or not? He needs to be starting come next year IMO. Neymar has all of the hype but right now I think Lucas is a more dangerous player to have.

 

Neymar is a far more refined player right now, and much more of a goalthreat. Lucas is still veryraw.

 

I wasn't advocating dropping Neymar for Lucas but saying that they should both be in the side.

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How do you see Englands best 11 looking, going into the World Cup in a years time. Id probably go:

 

                          Hart

Johnson    Cahill      Jagielka      Cole

              Carrick    Cleverley

Walcott            Wilshere        Ox

                        Rooney

 

A lot will depend how much game time some of the youngsters get at their clubs.  We could really do with the likes of Welbeck , jones, cleverly,Ox and a couple of others playing week in week out.  Also Wilshire needs an injury free season. If Sturridge continues his form next season I could see him as a starter this time next year going into the World Cup.

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Honestly think England need to focus purely on one attribute they can get some joy out of, be it being direct and bullying teams in the box with carroll (who tbh has not had the stretch of form to justify this) or going all out counter attacking, play most solid conservative defence we can and then load up the team with all the pacey but fairly one trick wingers we seem to accumulate and hope something happens

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There was a 20 minute spell in the second half, in between the Ox coming on and Rooney scoring, when we actually looked the better side. I don't mean that we had a period of physical dominance in the way of England teams of old, I mean we were playing the better football. The lesson that I hope has been taken from that is that the manager needs to be a bit more positive in his selections, if we're to have a chance of getting anywhere.

 

We do have some very good players in Rooney, Chamberlain, Gerrard, Hart and Wilshere. Decent ones in Welbeck, Baines and possibly Sturridge if he continues to mature. Ironically, the back four look the weakest links, even though defending is usually one of our strengths. So we actually need an attacking strategy, even though most England managers have tended to be cautious.

 

This could be a really good England side, if Hodgson handles things right.

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I can hear the sound of hairs being split. We don't need to argue about who's better than who, and whether a player is 'very good' or just 'decent'. My point was that we've got a much better bunch of players at the moment than is usually the case with England, and we (manager especially) ought to be more positive in our expectations.

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I can hear the sound of hairs being split. We don't need to argue about who's better than who, and whether a player is 'very good' or just 'decent'. My point was that we've got a much better bunch of players at the moment than is usually the case with England, and we (manager especially) ought to be more positive in our expectations.

 

I agree with most of your original post. We played decent stuff for spells against Brazil, and to a lesser extent Ireland. With a few players to add we have a decent enough team. Strikers are a slight worry, but I'm quite a fan of Welbeck.

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I think we've got a real gem in Chamberlain. He seems to have the lot - pace, strength, skill and a good temperament. It's only a question of how far down the road of development you feel he's reached, but to me he now looks ready for regular football at the top level. To see a 19 year old pitched on to the Maracana and give such a confident, game-changing display was really heartening.

 

It's only a matter of time before people start talking of this lad as one of the best in the world.

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A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember.

 

:thup: + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane.

 

Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently.

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I think we've got a real gem in Chamberlain. He seems to have the lot - pace, strength, skill and a good temperament. It's only a question of how far down the road of development you feel he's reached, but to me he now looks ready for regular football at the top level. To see a 19 year old pitched on to the Maracana and give such a confident, game-changing display was really heartening.

 

It's only a matter of time before people start talking of this lad as one of the best in the world.

 

He can't even hold down a regular place in a poor Arsenal side. He needs to manage that first before you even start mentioning world best with Chamberlain.

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A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember.

 

:thup: + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane.

 

Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently.

 

Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck and Sturridge are also coming through and playing international football at a good age.

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A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember.

 

:thup: + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane.

 

Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently.

 

Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck and Sturridge are also coming through and playing international football at a good age.

 

They could provide a good core but none of them are going to be world class though which you need if you're going to get anywhere in Int'l football.

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If Wellbeck and Cleverley both have an important role in the future development of English football, then we might as well just give up. And they are far from the only average players there.

 

England's old problem for decades was decent players but a shit team. Now we have mediocre players and a shit team.

 

No doubt, next time there's a kerfuffle in some qualification screw up, or we lose in the QF of a tournament against the first half decent team we face, there will be the same wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

Perhaps Sir Trevor Brooking will talk yet again about how we need to change things (whilst ignoring the fact that he himself has been working in the higher echelons of English football for about a quarter of a century by now, and so is himself a part of the problem, given that he has done nothing at all to turn things around).

 

We might do something like point at that training centre in Burton as evidence of how we're moving forward, but all the time we'll be totally missing the fact that we need to change things right down to the basics, right down to grass roots level.

 

Except that'd mean a year zero approach to English football, and redistributing a lot of wealth (ie from the FA, the clubs) to go elsewhere, which is precisely why people will sit on their hands and do nothing.

 

Meanwhile, in another 30 years time, nothing will have changed, we'll still be shit, and the same idiocy will prevail. We seem to have spent, what, four decades on a constant loop of golden hope players, out of date football, shit results and delusion at every major tournament. It's like being stuck in a shit shop for hours on end, listening to the same background music. Every now and then, it'll reach the end of the playlist and start again at the beginning, but you're still there, stuck in a never-ending loop of bollocks.

 

There are so many things wrong with the English game at pretty much every level. Perhaps what we really need is for the whole money obsessed, short termist house of cards to collapse.

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Think theres a very good striker in Welbeck, awful winger though, where he's played for them all season

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