ponsaelius Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember. + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane. Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I think we've got a real gem in Chamberlain. He seems to have the lot - pace, strength, skill and a good temperament. It's only a question of how far down the road of development you feel he's reached, but to me he now looks ready for regular football at the top level. To see a 19 year old pitched on to the Maracana and give such a confident, game-changing display was really heartening. It's only a matter of time before people start talking of this lad as one of the best in the world. He can't even hold down a regular place in a poor Arsenal side. He needs to manage that first before you even start mentioning world best with Chamberlain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember. + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane. Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck and Sturridge are also coming through and playing international football at a good age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember. + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane. Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck and Sturridge are also coming through and playing international football at a good age. They could provide a good core but none of them are going to be world class though which you need if you're going to get anywhere in Int'l football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 If Wellbeck and Cleverley both have an important role in the future development of English football, then we might as well just give up. And they are far from the only average players there. England's old problem for decades was decent players but a shit team. Now we have mediocre players and a shit team. No doubt, next time there's a kerfuffle in some qualification screw up, or we lose in the QF of a tournament against the first half decent team we face, there will be the same wailing and gnashing of teeth. Perhaps Sir Trevor Brooking will talk yet again about how we need to change things (whilst ignoring the fact that he himself has been working in the higher echelons of English football for about a quarter of a century by now, and so is himself a part of the problem, given that he has done nothing at all to turn things around). We might do something like point at that training centre in Burton as evidence of how we're moving forward, but all the time we'll be totally missing the fact that we need to change things right down to the basics, right down to grass roots level. Except that'd mean a year zero approach to English football, and redistributing a lot of wealth (ie from the FA, the clubs) to go elsewhere, which is precisely why people will sit on their hands and do nothing. Meanwhile, in another 30 years time, nothing will have changed, we'll still be shit, and the same idiocy will prevail. We seem to have spent, what, four decades on a constant loop of golden hope players, out of date football, shit results and delusion at every major tournament. It's like being stuck in a shit shop for hours on end, listening to the same background music. Every now and then, it'll reach the end of the playlist and start again at the beginning, but you're still there, stuck in a never-ending loop of bollocks. There are so many things wrong with the English game at pretty much every level. Perhaps what we really need is for the whole money obsessed, short termist house of cards to collapse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miguel Piñero Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Think theres a very good striker in Welbeck, awful winger though, where he's played for them all season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 A much better crop of players than usual? Really? I'm only 20 but this is the worst England squad I can remember. + 7 years. There is arguably one world class player in the squad (Cole) and he's on the wane. Wilshere and Chamberlain aside there is little coming through either currently. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck and Sturridge are also coming through and playing international football at a good age. Yet to make a breakthrough, but I’d add Ross Barkley to that list. He looks a very good player in the making, and I could see a midfield of him, Chamberlain and Wilshere operating very well in the future. We’ll see. This current England side hasn’t performed anywhere near to its potential, partly due to the frequent absence of Wilshere, but also the conservatism of the manager. But against Brazil, I saw a glimpse of how the side can perform and with Wilshere and Gerrard to come in, I think the future is starting to look bright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Same boat as Disco and Sewelly. Worst England side I've seen by a mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Under Hodgson we are the same as we were under Sven, but with fewer quality players. Boring, but tactical, but not long-ball or offensively direct like under Capello. If he can strike the right balance selection wise and give our more attacking players some freedom, we can hold our own as we did against Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Same boat as Disco and Sewelly. Worse England side I've seen by a mile. Ditto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Think Sturridge is underated due to how Chelsea used him. In his preferred position upfront for both Bolton on loan & Liverpool he hasnt stopped scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Think Sturridge is underated due to how Chelsea used him. In his preferred position upfront for both Bolton on loan & Liverpool he hasnt stopped scoring. He's better than Welbeck by leaps and bounds too. The latter should never be played over him. Sturridge up-top flanked by Rooney is probably the strongest front-2 England can play at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Think Sturridge is underated due to how Chelsea used him. In his preferred position upfront for both Bolton on loan & Liverpool he hasnt stopped scoring. He's better than Welbeck by leaps and bounds too. The latter should never be played over him. Sturridge up-top flanked by Rooney is probably the strongest front-2 England can play at the moment. Yeah, those two were looking promising against Ireland, and it's a shame we didn't see more of them. Welbeck is a class player, and I hope he can carve out a role for himself at international level. He doesn't look ideally suited to a wide role, but he's a player who can make things happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Welbeck is a tremendous outlet. In the air or with pace skill and direct running. Also very helpful defending set-pieces. But yes Sturridge is a greater goal threat. Just think there's a lace for Danny in the squad and in some situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I think the side Sir Bobby put out against the Soviets in 1984 is the worst I've seen . We lost 2-0 , which flattered us desperately. And the central midfield pairing of Steve Hunt and John Gregory were unsurprisingly found wanting. Ron Greenwood selected some decidedly shite sides too. Steve Foster ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I think the side Sir Bobby put out against the Soviets in 1984 is the worst I've seen . We lost 2-0 , which flattered us desperately. And the central midfield pairing of Steve Hunt and John Gregory were unsurprisingly found wanting. Ron Greenwood selected some decidedly shite sides too. Steve Foster ffs. I can remember us losing at home to Holland 2-0, in the late 1970s, and Don Revie picked 5 players who normally played centre back for their clubs. That was an example of Englandmanageritis, where a competent club manager's judgement and composure starts to unravel under the pressure of the national job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I think the side Sir Bobby put out against the Soviets in 1984 is the worst I've seen . We lost 2-0 , which flattered us desperately. And the central midfield pairing of Steve Hunt and John Gregory were unsurprisingly found wanting. Ron Greenwood selected some decidedly s**** sides too. Steve Foster ffs. Graham Taylor fielded some shocking teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Welbeck is a tremendous outlet. In the air or with pace skill and direct running. Also very helpful defending set-pieces. But yes Sturridge is a greater goal threat. Just think there's a lace for Danny in the squad and in some situations. I really like Welbeck for all the reasons you say, for some reason it's trendy to criticise him. IMO he's quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Welbeck is a tremendous outlet. In the air or with pace skill and direct running. Also very helpful defending set-pieces. But yes Sturridge is a greater goal threat. Just think there's a lace for Danny in the squad and in some situations. I really like Welbeck for all the reasons you say, for some reason it's trendy to criticise him. IMO he's quality. I'm not sure I’ve changed my opinion more on a player so early in a career. I'm just never sure what to expect anymore. I originally thought he would fall short this season thinking he wasn't good enough but then in big games this year he has shown a lot of ability and quality at times. So i think yeah he's looking like a player but then you'll watch him the following week against a poor premier league side and he won't really contribute anything really noteworthy other tidy play in a decent side. Seems like he steps up his game for the big boys but then can't set games alight against the lesser opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Remember when Graham Turnip dropped Gazza at his peak, before knee ligaments injury for Gordon fucking Cowans. And the midfield artistry Turnip created by pairing Geoff Thomas and Carlton Palmer ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I think the side Sir Bobby put out against the Soviets in 1984 is the worst I've seen . We lost 2-0 , which flattered us desperately. And the central midfield pairing of Steve Hunt and John Gregory were unsurprisingly found wanting. Ron Greenwood selected some decidedly shite sides too. Steve Foster ffs. I can remember us losing at home to Holland 2-0, in the late 1970s, and Don Revie picked 5 players who normally played centre back for their clubs. That was an example of Englandmanageritis, where a competent club manager's judgement and composure starts to unravel under the pressure of the national job. Jan Peters with a double if I remember rightly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Welbeck is a tremendous outlet. In the air or with pace skill and direct running. Also very helpful defending set-pieces. But yes Sturridge is a greater goal threat. Just think there's a lace for Danny in the squad and in some situations. I really like Welbeck for all the reasons you say, for some reason it's trendy to criticise him. IMO he's quality. I'm not sure I’ve changed my opinion more on a player so early in a career. I'm just never sure what to expect anymore. I originally thought he would fall short this season thinking he wasn't good enough but then in big games this year he has shown a lot of ability and quality at times. So i think yeah he's looking like a player but then you'll watch him the following week against a poor premier league side and he won't really contribute anything really noteworthy other tidy play in a decent side. Seems like he steps up his game for the big boys but then can't set games alight against the lesser opposition. TBH I expected not to like him, but every time I've seen him he's really impressed me. Even wide of a 4-3-3 I think he's mobile enough to do a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Welbeck is a tremendous outlet. In the air or with pace skill and direct running. Also very helpful defending set-pieces. But yes Sturridge is a greater goal threat. Just think there's a lace for Danny in the squad and in some situations. I really like Welbeck for all the reasons you say, for some reason it's trendy to criticise him. IMO he's quality. I'm not sure I’ve changed my opinion more on a player so early in a career. I'm just never sure what to expect anymore. I originally thought he would fall short this season thinking he wasn't good enough but then in big games this year he has shown a lot of ability and quality at times. So i think yeah he's looking like a player but then you'll watch him the following week against a poor premier league side and he won't really contribute anything really noteworthy other tidy play in a decent side. Seems like he steps up his game for the big boys but then can't set games alight against the lesser opposition. TBH I expected not to like him, but every time I've seen him he's really impressed me. Even wide of a 4-3-3 I think he's mobile enough to do a job. I like him great work rate and always seems to play well in the big games. Just needs to add goals to his game now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jun/18/england-under-21-stuart-pearce-gareth-southgate From no hope to no hope. Just chucking very important roles at ex-Englanders who have not proven to be competent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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