Disco Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 What's the big deal with him smoking a cig btw? Certainly not the smartest thing for a professional athlete to do, but the way he's so strongly denying everything makes it seem like a rape allegation. Build 'em up, knock 'em down. It's how our press/mentality for a lot works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 reckon England will get maximum of 4 points from their next 2 games, and will head to the play-offs after Ukraine take maximum points off Poland and San Marino. They'll lose their lead in closing stages of either game after Roy decides to park the bus after being a goal up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I don't think he's far wrong with what he said about the way England play either. The national team would've be far better served in recent years playing like a swashbuckling PL team that a faux European team IMO. They beat Spain (in a friendly) playing like Chelsea did in the Champions League IIRC so there may be something to that. Better equipped to win a tournament like Greece did than most teams if you think about it. Best shot too. The groundwork to win a trophy any other way won't come about for a long, long time Was getting at more the 'golden generation'. England have little to no chance now whatever they try and do. I doubt any team will do a Greece again due to the fitness levels required especially in a WC / expanded Euros. Do you think the game has changed that much since 2004? The styles of play are somewhat different at the very top, but if anything teams are more even as almost every nation has imported European fitness, organisation, and defensive styles while talent continues to disperse. The WC is only one more match than the continental tournaments and while I doubt any outsiders will actually win, there is room for them to go very far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I don't think he's far wrong with what he said about the way England play either. The national team would've be far better served in recent years playing like a swashbuckling PL team that a faux European team IMO. They beat Spain (in a friendly) playing like Chelsea did in the Champions League IIRC so there may be something to that. Better equipped to win a tournament like Greece did than most teams if you think about it. Best shot too. The groundwork to win a trophy any other way won't come about for a long, long time Was getting at more the 'golden generation'. England have little to no chance now whatever they try and do. I doubt any team will do a Greece again due to the fitness levels required especially in a WC / expanded Euros. Do you think the game has changed that much since 2004? The styles of play are somewhat different at the very top, but if anything teams are more even as almost every nation has imported European fitness, organisation, and defensive styles while talent continues to disperse. The WC is only one more match than the continental tournaments and while I doubt any outsiders will actually win, there is room for them to go very far. Not massively but I think defending and speed of possession/attack of the better sides to has improved somewhat plus Greece was an absolutely anomaly in recent years. You could argue Chelsea but the semi final 2nd leg and final wasn't representative of the whole cup run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 FWIW http://i.imgur.com/Et9BpUk.png The top tweet has pretty much cleared it up. I still think he's a c*** mind and that is one of the reasons why I can never really support him in the England team, don't get me wrong, he's a great player but the demeanour he shows just makes me want to really kick the f*** out of him. How has it come to this? The England team is no longer likeable. He is not a great player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 yeh cos you're so good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 John Terry had been a brilliant defender for a decade tbh. Under rated in some parts for his unfashionable style. Also a brilliant leader in his day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Think Wenger needs to manager Wilshere carefully from now on in as it seems like there is a reputation developing here which could halt his career. Personally i think we shouldn’t be mounting this pressure on him on and off field, the press build him to be the 'golden boy' of the next generation but then willingly shoot him down with the last smoking farce and his latest quotes which they took out of context. He should be being protected not hung out to dry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think I've made this point before, but the whole playing for one country in your adult life and being born or having heritage from another is a bit annoying, but then if you think back through your own family there's always going to be something stops you from being purely from one country. We're all mongoloids and I think that for that reason, your cultural background is just as important and where you were born. Podolski is the obvious example, but it does get pretty complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Mongoloids? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Am I the only one who saw Wilshere's comments and thought "what the fuck has it got to do with him?" He's only been playing for England for five minutes, it's absolutely none of his business. P.s agree with the fact that it's mental Januzaj has scored one brace and is now being touted as an England player. Macheda says hi from Doncaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Mongoloids? Yeah mate. It was a joke based around the point that a great deal of us have widely diversified genetics. For example, my Mam and Dad are English, I was born in England, my grandmother is Welsh, my great grandad is Norwegian, and my surname is Irish. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Am I the only one who saw Wilshere's comments and thought "what the f*** has it got to do with him?" He's only been playing for England for five minutes, it's absolutely none of his business. P.s agree with the fact that it's mental Januzaj has scored one brace and is now being touted as an England player. Macheda says hi from Doncaster. He has as much right to say it as anyone tbf. We've all got an opinion and we haven't even played for England for five minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Mongoloids? Yeah mate. It was a joke based around the point that a great deal of us have widely diversified genetics. For example, my Mam and Dad are English, I was born in England, my grandmother is Welsh, my great grandad is Norwegian, and my surname is Irish. Thanks. No worries. But, unless you have some asian lineage in there somewhere, I think you may have the wrong word. Did you mean mongrel, possibly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andybiotics Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 He won't be eligible under Home Nations rules anyway. Kinda pointless discussing or monitoring him when he won't be called up. Exactly. And he's scored two goals, f***ing laughable. This is what I DESPISE about the England national team. ONE GOOD GAME!!! Now, he deserves to be called up Surely playing well for at least a season should warrant a call up. Thought international football was the pinnacle of a players career? Really grinds my gears when someone eligible to play for England can have a good game or a good run of form, and suddenly be considered one of the 11 best players in England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Mongoloids? Yeah mate. It was a joke based around the point that a great deal of us have widely diversified genetics. For example, my Mam and Dad are English, I was born in England, my grandmother is Welsh, my great grandad is Norwegian, and my surname is Irish. Thanks. No worries. But, unless you have some asian lineage in there somewhere, I think you may have the wrong word. Did you mean mongrel, possibly? Nope, Mongoloid is what I meant. There was no serious suggestion that we're all Asian, silly. It was more to do with the quantity and variety of women that Genghis Khan impregnated during the Mongol Invasions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Oh, my mistake. That is a zinger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Oh, my mistake. That is a zinger. Thanks. I appreciate it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've seen him have 2 very good games, fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've seen him have 2 very good games, fwiw. Aye, it comes with the territory as well. The general media concensus seems to be If you're English and good enough to play for Man U/ManC/Chelsea/Arsenal and to a lesser extent Liverpool and Spurs, then you're good enough to play for England. On paper it makes sense, but not always in practice. Gareth Barry and Tom Cleverley being the examples I would use as players that are not good enough for either their teams, or their countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've seen him have 2 very good games, fwiw. Aye, it comes with the territory as well. The general media concensus seems to be If you're English and good enough to play for Man U/ManC/Chelsea/Arsenal and to a lesser extent Liverpool and Spurs, then you're good enough to play for England. On paper it makes sense, but not always in practice. Gareth Barry and Tom Cleverley being the examples I would use as players that are not good enough for either their teams, or their countries. The alternatives are no better. After them who is there? Osman? Barry's been a better player than Osman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've seen him have 2 very good games, fwiw. Aye, it comes with the territory as well. The general media concensus seems to be If you're English and good enough to play for Man U/ManC/Chelsea/Arsenal and to a lesser extent Liverpool and Spurs, then you're good enough to play for England. On paper it makes sense, but not always in practice. Gareth Barry and Tom Cleverley being the examples I would use as players that are not good enough for either their teams, or their countries. The alternatives are no better. After them who is there? Osman? Barry's been a better player than Osman. I dunno like, I prefer chalk over cheese. I didn't say anything about alternatives, I just said that those two players aren't good enough for their teams, or for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Carrick should have been in Barry's place. Far superior player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Carrick should have been in Barry's place. Far superior player. An absolute given like. Carrick should have been much more involved or starting for a really long time. Possibly since about 2006-ish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Carrick agreed. Surprised Capello preferred Barry over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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