Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 How many English midfielders equal his goals and assists record, by the way? Dunno, don't care. Football isn't always about figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? I've never really been a Lampard fan but the last year or two, i've really come to appreciate what he has actually achieved, for club and country. For that reason i do think you would have to say he is one of the greats that we have ever produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? I've never really been a Lampard fan but the last year or two, i've really come to appreciate what he has actually achieved, for club and country. For that reason i do think you would have to say he is one of the greats that we have ever produced. Is he fuck, he is part and parcel of an England side that has been cock for years . I've seen 10 to 15 better midfielders for England in my lifetime comfortably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. You what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Gazza had more talent, but to suggest he'll go down as a better player than Lampard is silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? I've never really been a Lampard fan but the last year or two, i've really come to appreciate what he has actually achieved, for club and country. For that reason i do think you would have to say he is one of the greats that we have ever produced. Is he f***, he is part and parcel of an England side that has been cock for years . I've seen 10 to 15 better midfielders for England in my lifetime comfortably. I think you're clouding your judgement on Lampard’s achievements on the basis of England's failures with him in the side. Which in my opinion, is unfair. There's been many sides around the world who have had a talented crop of players but have failed to get their act together as a team and perform on the big stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Gazza had more talent, but to suggest he'll go down as a better player than Lampard is silly. When did Lampard ever be the best player at a World Cup like Gazza was at Italia 90? Im starting to think that you are related to Frank such is the ridiculousness of your debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Depends what you mean by better player. More capable with a football? Natural ability? Goals, assists? A better footballer is one who contributes more to winning games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 The misuse of Scholes was criminal really... we should have built every midfield around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Scholes 98-2002 was England's best player after Owen. Without Scholes goals we would never had got to Euro 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Depends what you mean by better player. More capable with a football? Natural ability? Goals, assists? A better footballer is one who contributes more to winning games. And how many times has Lampard done that for England? Not many I can think of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. Scholes is a miles better footballer. He was played out wide for England, a waste of the best English midfielder we've produced in years Not denying he isn't. However he was often criticised in the media for not producing the same form he showed for Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Gazza had more talent, but to suggest he'll go down as a better player than Lampard is silly. When did Lampard ever be the best player at a World Cup like Gazza was at Italia 90? Im starting to think that you are related to Frank such is the ridiculousness of your debate. If one 4 week tournament is the best you can throw up I don't think we can even call this a debate. As if that counts for well over a decade of consistent brilliance that's won medal after medal. We're talking about a midfielder who's the top scorer in the history of his club and the top midfield scorer in the history of his country, and you're trying to outweigh that with 5 games, and call the opposing argument ridiculous. You're being silly, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. You're on drugs man . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Lampard scored 3 goals in Euro 2004. Not bad imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. You're on drugs man . Clearly, by stating a fact that Lampard/Gerrard were both given a CM role over him? Was only 10 year ago...ish. Not saying Sven was correct in his decision but this was the case, unless i was on drugs back then too and just created this whole illusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Lampard scored 3 goals in Euro 2004. Not bad imo. Top scorer in WC qualifying for 2006 too. Not saying he's been great for England because he hasn't, but when you're talking about the greatest players England's produced he's got to be pretty prominent on the list, especially in my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Lampard scored 3 goals in Euro 2004. Not bad imo. Goals don't count it doesn't seem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Gazza had more talent, but to suggest he'll go down as a better player than Lampard is silly. When did Lampard ever be the best player at a World Cup like Gazza was at Italia 90? Im starting to think that you are related to Frank such is the ridiculousness of your debate. If one 4 week tournament is the best you can throw up I don't think we can even call this a debate. As if that counts for well over a decade of consistent brilliance that's won medal after medal. We're talking about a midfielder who's the top scorer in the history of his club and the top midfield scorer in the history of his country, and you're trying to outweigh that with 5 games, and call the opposing argument ridiculous. You're being silly, man. I'm talking for England. Gazza played in 2 major tournaments and reached semi finals in both . In the WC qualifications in between, we didn't qualify. Missing for most of the campaign, Gascoigne . Coincidence? Of course not. We are talking about the highest level of football here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. You're on drugs man . Clearly, by stating a fact that Lampard/Gerrard were both given a CM role over him? Was only 10 year ago...ish. Not saying Sven was correct in his decision but this was the case, unless i was on drugs back then too and just created this whole illusion? He wasn't dropped you goon, he retired. He was shunted left to accommodate Lampard and this was the reason wht ge retired. Sven obviously had more confidence in sticking Scholes there rather than Lampard. Capello did the same to Gerrard in 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never said it was. It's just too easy to say 'oh that fellow from way back when was a much better passer' or 'he was better at winning the ball'. I just think generally folk take for granted that Lampard has spent over a decade consistently getting more goals and assists than any other midfielder/winger/supporting striker in the top league in the world. Does that not make him one of England's greatest? no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. You're on drugs man . Clearly, by stating a fact that Lampard/Gerrard were both given a CM role over him? Was only 10 year ago...ish. Not saying Sven was correct in his decision but this was the case, unless i was on drugs back then too and just created this whole illusion? He wasn't dropped you goon, he retired. He was shunted left to accommodate Lampard and this was the reason wht ge retired. Sven obviously had more confidence in sticking Scholes there rather than Lampard. Capello did the same to Gerrard in 2010. So me saying he was shafted out to the left was correct then. He huffed at the decision and retired, yeah what an all time great he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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