Dr Venkman Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Buying good players for cheap prices is brilliant, I don't give a toss what Barton thinks about it TBH. Yeah, seems to be way too many people thinking a good signing MUST cost large amounts of money. more importantly, one person seems to think a good signing MUST NOT cost more than a 'bargain' Ah give him a chance, 21st June... absolutely agree, merely responses to posts. i've changed my mind before and will again (forum suicide). I speak as i find though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 He'd almost certainly work well on the right of a midfield three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I don't think Barton has ever said anything about having to spend loads of money on players tbh, I think he was more onabout wages, and sugested that the club wanted rid of him to bring in someone "younger, better and cheaper (wages)", which tbh would be pretty hard to find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 He'd almost certainly work well on the right of a midfield three. I would think he could do a very good job there. Wether he would be first choice come the start of the season is a different matter though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 He's not 'shit' in central midfield, and he would work well in a midfield three (If he is still here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 He's not 's***' in central midfield, and he would work well in a midfield three (If he is still here). In a midfield three he'd have the same role that Cabaye's been brought in to do, can't see us signing Cabaye and not playing him ahead of Barton in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 He'd almost certainly work well on the right of a midfield three. I would think he could do a very good job there. Wether he would be first choice come the start of the season is a different matter though. And that is the key, IMO. If Barton isn't first choice, he's going to kick up a storm. He's on the last year of his deal and he's looking at one more big payday. I can't see him accepting a bench role to start the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I would like to see: Ben Arfa Tiote. Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Is that not too deep for Ben Arfa, or do you mean... ---Barton--------Cabaye-------Tiote---------Marveaux-- --------------------------Ben Arfa----------------------------- ------------------------------Ba-------------------------------- I'd like to see what Jonas is like left-side of a midfield three tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 He's not 's***' in central midfield, and he would work well in a midfield three (If he is still here). In a midfield three he'd have the same role that Cabaye's been brought in to do, can't see us signing Cabaye and not playing him ahead of Barton in that position. Yeah, exactly. Hence why I just can't really see him being here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Is that not too deep for Ben Arfa, or do you mean... ---Barton--------Cabaye-------Tiote---------Marveaux-- --------------------------Ben Arfa----------------------------- ------------------------------Ba-------------------------------- I'd like to see what Jonas is like left-side of a midfield three tbh. Might be, meant more as a starting position cause i would like to give him license to roam between our midfielders and striker (if we play just one) in a free role all over the last third with Tiote doing the cleaning and Cabaye spraying the ball around and keep the play ticking and adjust the tempo. If we go 4-3-3 i woul like to se Jonas in a LM position as well, think he'll do very very well there, carrying the ball from midfield and create spaces for other players, and not in a position where he has to cross/shoot too often, if we go 4-2-3-1 i dont think he would do as well as playing LF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Aslong as both Barton and Cabaye do there fair share of grafting I cannot realy see them problem with them playing similar roles either side of Tiote (although i'm guessing Cabaye would be the deeper of the 2). Both are technicaly good and have an eye for a pass so they won't hinder us going forwards, it'll be like Xavi and Iniesta either side of Busquets man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 People seem to forget that there were plenty of times Barton was our best player irrespective of the assists stats etc. If one of the new players proves to be better then fine but as things stand he's still a starter IMO. From his tweets it seems pretty clear that he values the old guard above the new arrivals. Joey would be an asset next season if he was prepared to be part of the new look Newcastle but he doesn't seem too sold on the club's view of the way forward which could be a problem. Examples? Didn't Barton say something about how he's unhappy that the club are replacing all the older players and buying younger, quicker and better players? IIRC he said it seemed unlikely they'd do all that without spending any money, in a sarcastic tone as some of us might. Obviously in reference to his own situation. Looking more and more like he's wrong about that. I also wouldn't be surprised if he knew about Nolan going at that point. looking more and more right from where i'm sitting On the agenda horse? eurgh. come on then, explain how he's looking more and more wrong by stating that we were looking for cheaper players when everyone we've signed so far has been on the cheap (and dont drag this down into 'just because they dont cost 20m it doesnt mean they wont improve the team' territory) if you use paper speculation as evidence you're an unfortunate individual Why can't I do that? Because it would completely invalidate your argument? The fact is we've bought 3 highly rated players and sold 1 player who wouldn't agree a new contract, and therefore wanted to leave. Using net spend as a judge of quality makes you an unfortunate individual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I was always of the opinion that Barton was played wider right as he was more effective (for us then) as he was the best crosser of the ball so it made sense to use him there to find Carroll. As its been said, he seemed more that capable to play more centrally for Man City, and unless we're going to persist with the same tactic this season using Ba instead of Carroll as the target (which seems a bit of a waste given who else we've got), then there is no reason what so ever that he should be pigeon holed at NUFC as only a wide-right midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Barton was rubbish in the middle so what makes people think he'd work in a central three? With a DM behind him his game would be a lot more focused on just passing and creating, I think he'd excel in the role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Although Barton didn't play well whenever he was in the center last year, it was due to the fact that we had no movement up front and he was constantly pressed. Guthrie, who was all right for us when he first joined, now looks shit because we have no movement up front and he's not athletic enough to create time/space for himself. With a pacier and more athletic front 4 (two wingers, a striker and HBA), our midfielders will have more time and space on the ball, and Barton is a very capable CM if he has time on the ball. He would be all right on the right of a midfield three, as he was all right - well actually, he was pretty fucking good - when he was on the left of a midfield three for Keegan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Guthrie will look better this year, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Should be pretty dramatic the improvement in our midfield movement and athleticism, with Nolan out and Cabaye and Ben Arfa in. Hopefully Jonas and Barton will be around to benefit from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Think the situation has changed very quickly for Joey. Would be surprised if last season was not the most enjoyable of his career and now the club seems to want him out the door. Though he is defiantly talking about staying a final year, without the Nolan axis and with all the new players coming in I'd say he's likely to be a much diminished figure around the club and in the dressing room. So it's difficult to see how he could have the same positive impact next season as he has this, which would be a great shame as we could do with his qualities going into the new season. Can see a decent club taking a punt on him before the window closes and him moving on, despite what he's saying now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 ...Though he is defiantly talking about staying a final year, without the Nolan axis and with all the new players coming in I'd say he's likely to be a much diminished figure around the club and in the dressing room. So it's difficult to see how he could have the same positive impact next season as he has this, which would be a great shame as we could do with his qualities going into the new season. This is what causes me some concern, agreeing with what you wrote, if he is a diminished figure it may increase the chances of the old Joey resurfacing and causing a considerable amount of unrest. Quite honestly, I fear, the only safe course is to sell - if he'll go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Mike Ashley could easily trump Barton's thinly veiled "#bosmanruling" threat with "#ayearinthereservesnotplayingfirstteamfootball" counter threat. After all, we were told Ashley "likes to park his tanks on the lawns of his rivals". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Guthrie will look better this year, too. Highly dubious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Only because the useless cunt will be in the reserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Joey's gonna watch a documentary on the Capuchin catacombs at 9. They are eery as owt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Would anyone agree with him if he decided run down his contract and leave for nothing? I would - the manager clearly wants him even if the owner doesn't, I think we need him, and theres no guarantee that any money saved on moving him on now would be used usefully. Also think that to some degree he has earned it with his performances last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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