Joey Barton (now retired)

[womblemaster]

`I can also see his new team playing him centrally and again not doing so well, sure clubs won't be bringing him in as a makeshift right mid.`

 

agree with this.  imo barton is excess baggage.

[kingkerouac]

God help NUFC.

The defeatist attitude re Ashley saddens me.

He is a cunt, who is pissing on Bobby's Grave and wiping his arse on the NUFC colours.

Some on here are showing the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

[Jayson]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

Tend to agree with this, the lack of any optimism about our new signings is pretty depressing. Cabaye and Ben Arfa in particular I'm very happy about, and Ba is (shock horror) proven to be able to get goals at this level.

 

Most people bringing up them being unproven in the league are just pointing out that we are currently taking risks replacing these proven premier league players with those that are not. Yes they may also have the potential to be better ofcourse, hopefully they will all step up. But you cant currently use them as justification for any idea that we'll clearly be completely fine as we have all these class players, no one can say that yet & some try to lean towards it.

[Dokko]

God help NUFC.

The defeatist attitude re Ashley saddens me.

He is a cunt, who is pissing on Bobby's Grave and wiping his arse on the NUFC colours.

Some on here are showing the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

I don't think you are being dramatic enough.

[Guest cr4igora]

..the lack of any optimism about our new signings is pretty depressing. Cabaye and Ben Arfa in particular I'm very happy about, and Ba is (shock horror) proven to be able to get goals at this level.

 

Hopefully you can add Marv to that list too, if he gets and stays fit. Lord we need some positive news, this is too depressing to keep talking about.

*Lionel Messi signs for Newcastle, goals-a-plenty in store for the North-East club*     

[Skirge]

Fans bringing Sir Bobby into this .... had Joey had his outburst at Sir Bobby fans would want him shot not shipped out.

[Mick]

If you saw someone jump off the Tyne bridge would you join them?

 

No but I might think they had a reason for doing it and if it was more than one person doing it then I would think the reason wasn't soley down to one person.

[nufcjmc]

I think IF the club signed someone as a comparable/better player to replace JB I dont think there would be half as much of an up roar, as most of us now has 5% faith in the management of the club we all worry it will be the kids being asked (used as a reason to say we dont need a replacement) and leaving the squad down a player.

 

really ? I have 0% faith in the board or management of the club and not just because of Joey Barton. If the manager had decided that Barton wasn't needed and had bought in his replacement and then transfer listed Barton we wouldn't be talking about Newcastle United football club.

 

the management and signing of tiote and ben arfa gives me that smidge of faith but I agree what your saying we do tend to always do things arse over tit but Barton has been forcing the clubs hands for months now no one has rushed out to take him cutting losses seems to have been the course of action the club has taken (the involvement of the manager is all this is probably just as debateable).

 

this has been sai time and time again that no one player is newcastle united newcastle united the club will be around long after (we hope) get rid and move on.

 

Charlton are a league 1 club, they banned all their players from social networking sites I believe. Is it really that hard for us to do the same ? If they don't listen you fine them, if they still don't listen you then follow the next step in your clubs disciplinary rules. It's not so hard, makes you look like a professionally run organisation and helps keep you out of the press for the wrong reasons.

 

maybe Ashley still believes the business/celebrity mantra that no publicity is bad publicity lol

 

no seriously your thought process involves logic and clear thought we already know that the club isnt ran this way its reactionary gut instinct stuff that usually ends up in mistakes being made.

 

I keep going back to the thought that the club has had its hands tied over this the club letting him get away with it = you loose as the club look weak and the player looks like he runs the roost. The club fine him errm i dont think he cares and i dont think it would stop him. The club could transfer list him... welll as has already been mentioned no one seems to be rushing to get him and we already know he has a high opinion of himself and wouldnt just go to anyone. If he doesnt move on then he is allowed to carry on with the club as the rotten apple for another year.

 

I think what I am trying to say is that there is no good way of doing things and in the mean time the fans suffer but Joey still gets his pay so I have no sympathy for him what so ever.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

God help NUFC.

The defeatist attitude re Ashley saddens me.

He is a cunt, who is pissing on Bobby's Grave and wiping his arse on the NUFC colours.

Some on here are showing the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

I don't think you are being dramatic enough.

 

[Dr Venkman]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

There's plenty examples of players moving about within the league and not being successful at their new clubs, which is what I think people overlook. As a high profile example look at Torres.

 

Exactly.

 

Here's another thing that gets me. Players being written off, because they haven't set the world alight from the outset.

 

See our very own Coloccini and Enrique. It's all related.

 

Jump on any Liverpool forum and they're all clamouring for Aquilani to stay now, as he's been exceptional in pre-season. It was unreal to me how quickly he was written off by their fans and the media when he first arrived.

 

No surprise to hear that idiot McKay playing the "Barton has the grit and guts those predominantly foreign teams don't have" card. People buy into this stuff.

 

surely you can see how nufc fans that have been paying attention would be a little bit wary of anything that represents a gamble?

[Ikon]

Everyone, let's hide our knives and ropes

[kingkerouac]

I wish I could be more dramatic, but I feel this is just the start of worse problems.

Ashley's in charge, everything that happens on his watch, is his doing.

[Taylor Swift]

It's a tough one. Barton's a decent player and he was obviously key to us last year.

 

But it's also true that it was his first good season in 4 and he has by no means earnt his contract. He's also combustible on and off the pitch which means we have to question whether its worth persevering with him.

 

If the club were in any other situation, I would dump him instantly. But we're not. Transfers, for some reason, seem hard to come by. And we seem so fucking reluctant to actually spend money that good players - like Barton - become a commodity that I feel is too risky to lose. Precisely because we're so reluctant to spend any money. So as a fan, I hoped he stayed. I still do. But unfortunately it's looking extremely unlikely.

 

And now what's worse is that I don't think we'll get a replacement unless we can get his wages off the wage bill. So one way or another, this shit has to be solved soon. He goes and we get a replacement or he stays and plays. Training alone, eating up wages and not allowing us to get a replacement is the worst fucking thing possible.

[Jayson]

Fans bringing Sir Bobby into this .... had Joey had his outburst at Sir Bobby fans would want him shot not shipped out.

 

Not really how he dealt with Bellamy etc is it. Good managers manage players & their temperaments to get the best out of them. We're far from doing that.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

Tend to agree with this, the lack of any optimism about our new signings is pretty depressing. Cabaye and Ben Arfa in particular I'm very happy about, and Ba is (shock horror) proven to be able to get goals at this level.

 

Most people bringing up them being unproven in the league are just pointing out that we are currently taking risks replacing these proven premier league players with those that are not. Yes they may also have the potential to be better ofcourse, hopefully they will all step up. But you cant currently use them as justification for any idea that we'll clearly be completely fine as we have all these class players, no one can say that yet & some try to lean towards it.

 

Yeah, any signing carries a risk, but I think the scales have been tipped far too far towards expectation of failure. They're all exciting players IMO, and our youngsters have had a good preseason too.

[Willow]

Made to train alone today.

 

Really hope the board get some money spent soon otherwise this season is going to be one hell of a slog..

[Dr Venkman]

Fans bringing Sir Bobby into this .... had Joey had his outburst at Sir Bobby fans would want him shot not shipped out.

 

eurgh, what are you on about? Bobby clearly had the best interests of the club at heart, in every respect.

[Guest cr4igora]

God help NUFC.

The defeatist attitude re Ashley saddens me.

He is a c***, who is pissing on Bobby's Grave and wiping his arse on the NUFC colours.

Some on here are showing the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

I don't think you are being dramatic enough.

 

Ha ha ha!!!

[KaKa]

Why the feck does everyone keep going on about its wrong to let him go on a free ?

 

He was leaving on a free anyway at the end of season, no contract being offered and no one wanted to buy him anyway, the teams are only interested in him as he for nothing, with everything thats happened it has got to be the right thing to part ways surely, for the sake of a couple million.

 

What you have to realise is people cannot look past their hatred for Ashley and Llambias in any single circumstance.

 

No matter what any individual does they will claim it is right as long as it is in opposition to Ashley.

 

Joey Barton and Willie McKay are clearly using this to their advantage in this situation.

 

I don't know when it became acceptable to rubbish your club and behave so badly because you don't think the owner is spending enough money, or giving contracts to your mates.

 

The owners have stated that this is how the club is going to be run. Support the team, and look forward to better days, whether that be a change in ownersip as some want, or a change in policy.

 

Interesting to note the window has a month to run still, but people have convinced themselves that no more players are coming in, and are being fueled by this rage.

 

What have Everton done this window? What of Villa? Did they not just get £36 million from the Downing and Young sales? Other than Zoggy, what?

 

Senseless behaviour.

 

Its got nothing to do with a blind hatred of MA/DL, man. Believe it or not, fans want what is best for the team on the pitch.

 

Barton, despite all his drawbacks, was a key player last season and would in all likelihood have been as influential this year. You can w*** yourself silly over Barton's sale all you want, it won't hide the fact we're another player short going into the season.

 

Can you guarantee we won't be getting any more players?

 

This seems to be the root of a lot of anger on here, but ultimately there is a month of the window to run, and the fact is the majority of clubs have done nothing this window, because things haven'treally kicked off yet.

 

I just don't see the point of getting so wound up over signings at this stage. There's no denying we've done pretty well so far in terms of new players.

 

Let's see what happens.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I wish I could be more dramatic, but I feel this is just the start of worse problems.

Ashley's in charge, everything that happens on his watch, is his doing.

 

I don't think he's actually responsible for Joey Barton not knowing what acceptable behaviour is though.

[Skirge]

Fans bringing Sir Bobby into this .... had Joey had his outburst at Sir Bobby fans would want him shot not shipped out.

 

Not really how he dealt with Bellamy etc is it. Good managers manage players & their temperaments to get the best out of them. We're far from doing that.

 

Am on about fan reaction though.. Sir Bobby was a great manager and would have handled it but at the time fans were livid with Bella's.

[Guest H09]

It's happening again... supporters are doing it again... We are ignoring how it got to this point and replacing it with a negative agenda spin on the individual.

 

These people believe what we do about the club, they make their demands and try and force the change the club needs. It doesn't happen, they cause a storm and leave, we turn it into a greed based thing.

 

It is like they cannot win with supporters, we don't want them to care and have an opinion we want them to shut up and suffer. Look at Shay Given, he left because Ashley decided to stay, Ashley had lied to him, promised spending and signings to take the club forward as he promised the fans, they didn't so Shay wanted away. Supporters turned that into fuck him, greedy bastard who is traitor.

 

They fight for what this club should have. Of course there will be an element of looking after themselves, this is their occupation and career.

 

Jose Enrique is now going to leave because the people he loved were sacked/sold and the club aren't spending any money to go anywhere. Supporters will come out and say bye then, fuck you, shit body language, didn't care. Ignoring the reasons why he didn't care!

 

We are constantly being shafted and all that happens is we have a quick moan then turn a blind eye and get on with things.

[Dokko]

If you saw someone jump off the Tyne bridge would you join them?

 

No but I might think they had a reason for doing it and if it was more than one person doing it then I would think the reason wasn't soley down to one person.

 

If those people wanted to say alive, they wouldn't jump off the bridge, ie If Joey really wanted to stay he wouldn't keep going on twitter slagging his paymasters off and put them in the position were they effectively sack him.

[Guest icemanblue]

It's happening again... supporters are doing it again... We are ignoring how it got to this point and replacing it with a negative agenda spin on the individual.

 

These people believe what we do about the club, they make their demands and try and force the change the club needs. It doesn't happen, they cause a storm and leave, we turn it into a greed based thing.

 

It is like they cannot win with supporters, we don't want them to care and have an opinion we want them to shut up and suffer. Look at Shay Given, he left because Ashley decided to stay, Ashley had lied to him, promised spending and signings to take the club forward as he promised the fans, they didn't so Shay wanted away. Supporters turned that into fuck him, greedy bastard who is traitor.

 

They fight for what this club should have. Of course there will be an element of looking after themselves, this is their occupation and career.

 

Jose Enrique is now going to leave because the people he loved were sacked/sold and the club aren't spending any money to go anywhere. Supporters will come out and say bye then, fuck you, shit body language, didn't care. Ignoring the reasons why he didn't care!

 

We are constantly being shafted and all that happens is we have a quick moan then turn a blind eye and get on with things.

 

Aye.

[Sima]

He's lost his dressing room power, along with his mates and he doesn't like the culture shift. He's just not the main man anymore and I don't think he can accept that. If the reports of his treatment to Cabaye are true, it is absolutely scandalous. The guy doesn't even speak decent English, yet he has some Scouse ripping into him after a good performance? It makes him sound like a bully.

 

What did he say to Cabaye (apparently)?