timnufc22 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 From the Guardian CiF. Says everything I wanted to say but far more eloquently. Joey Barton is a very good player. He is intelligent, both intellectually and in terms of playing the game/reading the game. He has no fear when playing, he gives his all but expects that from his teammates and the management of his club. He can rein in his temper - witness the assaults on his person during the Wolves game last season. He will never get a fair shake from referees, ever. He excelled last season in a team without superstars (Tiote, being the possible exception). He will develop further within a team with other good and intelligent players. He is a natural motivator and may become a great team-leader. He has an ongoing anger management problem, which, all things being equal, he has almost mastered. His past misbehaviours were exacerbated by alcohol (he is now tee-total), blatant provocation by third parties and woeful lack of judgement and self-control. It is shameful in the extreme, the way in which he is still blindly vilified by people making judgements from a position of ignorance. The progress he has made, is now being put in jeopardy by the duplicitous, underhand and lying behaviour of the upper echelons at NUFC. I applaud his restraint, in these matters. I would have reacted in a far less judicious fashion. It grieves me to see how somebody with backbone is treated by the club he undoubtedly feels deeply for - this, (even) given my cynicism about matters concerning money/loyalty to the badge. To be flayed for telling the truth, about the ownwership and management of my football club, bespeaks a rotteness, not of his making, which permeates the club. I hold no brief for the Joey Barton of old, but to pillory the man indefinitely for what he has done in the past, does not reflect well on the who cast the stones. Pardew is a nonentity, he can neither manage nor even have belief in his own pathetic utterances. I believe that he has lost all respect from "his" squad. He is merely a conduit for Ashley and Lambias - an irrelevance. As for Ashley and the Goebbels look-a-like, I cannot comment without being modded. They are the ruination of a once, great club. Barton is worth his salt. He will have to be managed, well. He is due the respect of someone who is intelligent and can make his point of view forcibly, not treated like the nodding, jobsworth yes-men who for the most part make up the players in the Premiership, today. If a club can take on the complicated, talented player he undoubtedly is, Joey Barton could be the signing of the summer. However a small part of me wishes he would stay and make life unbearable for puppet Pardew and his vile masters. Part of me would really like to say that tbh. We're not going anywhere under Ashley, I want his time here to be as uncomfortable as possible to try and push him more & more towards selling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. Your honest opinion is flawed, he's running the business on a purely profit basis now and that has been his aim for at least as long as Llambias has been here. He could make a lot more profit out of it without signing players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux and Ba. In fact I reckon to run the club on a profit maximising basis he would have been mad to sell Nolan as you could get enough goals from a side playing long ball football with Nolan and a few other big hard players to ensure survival every season. Top that off with interest charges on his loan and he could make a tidy sum surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He's not making any profit FFS, and likely never will unless he finds a Sheik with a few billion to spend on us. He's just minimising his outlay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He's not making any profit FFS, and likely never will unless he finds a Sheik with a few billion to spend on us. He's just minimising his outlay. Almost breaking even to 37 million income must mean a profit, mustn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 "trousering" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I wonder how Barton wishing to stay with us regardless of people trying to push him out is going over with the people on here who were trying very hard to convince the world that all this has been part of Joey's masterplan to... force a move? I'm sure you'll find more convoluted ways to lay the entire blame on him again. Anyways, for once we get a player who isn't shy of letting his passion for the club show and half of us are too cynical to even take it at face value. Not defending his actions thus far, btw, his tweeting has definitely harmed the club, but I just don't buy that it was all intentional and every single character was written out of malice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He's not making any profit FFS, and likely never will unless he finds a Sheik with a few billion to spend on us. He's just minimising his outlay. Almost breaking even to 37 million income must mean a profit, mustn't it? This season maybe, yes. The problem is all the the other years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkerouac Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I would say his tweeting has not damaged the club, but it has damaged the owners. Only and idiot would blame the institution of Newcastle United rather than the current owners (see Louise Taylor). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This season maybe, yes. The problem is all the the other years. That's gone though and I've said it loads of times, Ashley, or his mouth piece keeps telling us that he's not taking money out. At this time the club is running at a profit, by that I mean this financial year as I have always recognised what he has put in up until now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I wonder how Barton wishing to stay with us regardless of people trying to push him out is going over with the people on here who were trying very hard to convince the world that all this has been part of Joey's masterplan to... force a move? I'm sure you'll find more convoluted ways to lay the entire blame on him again. Anyways, for once we get a player who isn't shy of letting his passion for the club show and half of us are too cynical to even take it at face value. Not defending his actions thus far, btw, his tweeting has definitely harmed the club, but I just don't buy that it was all intentional and every single character was written out of malice. They'd probably say to you that there's a very good chance that nobody is matching what he wants so he's talking about how he might just decide to stay incase nobody ever does. I don't think anyones blamed him for all of this either. I've said many times that there are three main cock ends at fault in this, Barton, Ashley and Llambias. I just don't agree with the people who paint Barton as a hero who just loves the club and is speaking out for our own good ect.. bollocks IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I would say his tweeting has not damaged the club, but it has damaged the owners. Only and idiot would blame the institution of Newcastle United rather than the current owners (see Louise Taylor). The owner runs the club, if mud is thrown at the owner of the club it will inevitably hit the club as well. I think what your talking about is long term damage, no this won't damage the club long term, but in the short term it has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I would say his tweeting has not damaged the club, but it has damaged the owners. Only and idiot would blame the institution of Newcastle United rather than the current owners (see Louise Taylor). Thats something i hate about the press, its always the club this, the club that, surely it should be the owners right now, the club is us is it not, without supporters clubs cease to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This season maybe, yes. The problem is all the the other years. That's gone though and I've said it loads of times, Ashley, or his mouth piece keeps telling us that he's not taking money out. At this time the club is running at a profit, by that I mean this financial year as I have always recognised what he has put in up until now. Well if it turns out that we run at a profit this year, then that's a fact and there's no argument about it either way. If you've always recognised previous years and what he's put in then great, we don't disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He won't be staying.. the ONLY he stays is if no one comes in for him with a decent wage & contract length offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He won't be staying.. the ONLY he stays is if no one comes in for him with a decent wage & contract length offer. There you go, DJ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Last thing we want is for Barton to stay and make life uncomfortable for anybody at the club. Once the camp becomes divided we're absolutely buggered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He won't be staying.. the ONLY he stays is if no one comes in for him with a decent wage & contract length offer. There you go, DJ. He's right though, anyone who doesn't hero worship Barton will surely see that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This season maybe, yes. The problem is all the the other years. That's gone though and I've said it loads of times, Ashley, or his mouth piece keeps telling us that he's not taking money out. At this time the club is running at a profit, by that I mean this financial year as I have always recognised what he has put in up until now. The club must have made a profit in the year ended June 2011 in both cash and accounting terms. I predict heated discussions on here at some point on whether repayment of a loan is taking money out of the club or not...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If he comes out and says hes going to start paying back the loan at x amount a year I'd not have a problem, least the fat git had bothered to tell us for once rather than trying to hide it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If he comes out and says hes going to start paying back the loan at x amount a year I'd not have a problem, I think plenty of others would though tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This season maybe, yes. The problem is all the the other years. That's gone though and I've said it loads of times, Ashley, or his mouth piece keeps telling us that he's not taking money out. At this time the club is running at a profit, by that I mean this financial year as I have always recognised what he has put in up until now. The club must have made a profit in the year ended June 2011 in both cash and accounting terms. I predict heated discussions on here at some point on whether repayment of a loan is taking money out of the club or not...... I think you might be right! And about whether or not reducing the debt burden on the club actually makes it more attractive to new buyers I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If he comes out and says hes going to start paying back the loan at x amount a year I'd not have a problem, I think plenty of others would though tbh. I have no doubts, I'm happy if he takes his money back and pisses off myself though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The amount of stick Ashley gets while paying money into the club would surely be nothing compared to the abuse if he was actually paying himself back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The amount of stick Ashley gets while paying money into the club would surely be nothing compared to the abuse if he was actually paying himself back. At least he could reduce the 'lying prick' scale down to 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The amount of stick Ashley gets while paying money into the club would surely be nothing compared to the abuse if he was actually paying himself back. At least he could reduce the 'lying prick' scale down to 9. True, although developments indicate he's not that worried about that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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