Guest palnese Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Imogen Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm a bit concerned that Barton and Nolan seem to be using each other as bargaining chips to get favourable new deals. Being last off the pitch is great but it doesn't count for much on it. Joey went missing second half yesterday for me. I wouldn't give him a new contract if he's trying to tie his mate in as a condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm a bit concerned that Barton and Nolan seem to be using each other as bargaining chips to get favourable new deals. Being last off the pitch is great but it doesn't count for much on it. Joey went missing second half yesterday for me. I wouldn't give him a new contract if he's trying to tie his mate in as a condition. I agree. That's not playing the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/bartonDM_468x589.jpg just thought I'd post that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I think Joey needs the reassurance of Kevin Nolan at the club. That he looks to him as a support in his personal life as well as on the pitch. I've got no problem with giving them both new contracts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I think Joey needs the reassurance of Kevin Nolan at the club. That he looks to him as a support in his personal life as well as on the pitch. I've got no problem with giving them both new contracts The club has to be aware of a player's personal issues, but to offer his mentor a playing contract with that in mind, is going too far. Those two are starting to talk like they're the sole guardians of team spirit. Joey in particular always seems to get a round of applause when he starts telling the owner what he should be doing, and criticizing other players, but for me, he's getting too big for his boots. He should stop trying to run the club and concentrate on continuing to sort out his own contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I think Joey needs the reassurance of Kevin Nolan at the club. That he looks to him as a support in his personal life as well as on the pitch. I've got no problem with giving them both new contracts The club has to be aware of a player's personal issues, but to offer his mentor a playing contract with that in mind, is going too far. Those two are starting to talk like they're the sole guardians of team spirit. Joey in particular always seems to get a round of applause when he starts telling the owner what he should be doing, and criticizing other players, but for me, he's getting too big for his boots. He should stop trying to run the club and concentrate on continuing to sort out his own contribution. Some of the sounds coming from these two reek of "player power" and I fear that it could eventually become a problem. I get a sneaking feeling that the club may just decide to ship both of them out, disband "this group of lads," and try to just build a team from scratch if contract negotiations start to stall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Cronky, I could agree with you if Barton was insisting that, say, Alan Smith was given a lucrative new deal, before signing up. However Nolan is a superb captain, a good leader, and is top goalscorer for us this season. I can understand that Joey needs assurances of stability. He has been great for us this season, and has made great changes to himself off the pitch too and from what I've heard him say Nolan has helped him with his personal life changes too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Saying "i'll sign if we also tie 'x'player up" is realy quite similar to saying "i'll sign if we show ambition in the summer transfer market". Not signing up Nolan could be seen as an unambitious move to Barton, although it probably is just a ploy to get his mate a contract (which he would have gotten anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Cronky, I could agree with you if Barton was insisting that, say, Alan Smith was given a lucrative new deal, before signing up. However Nolan is a superb captain, a good leader, and is top goalscorer for us this season. I can understand that Joey needs assurances of stability. He has been great for us this season, and has made great changes to himself off the pitch too and from what I've heard him say Nolan has helped him with his personal life changes too. Nolan's been offered a new deal even though there's still two years left on his contract. Good captain or not I don't think we can hand out lucrative long term contracts to a player who has clearly physically declined since his Bolton days. We have one or two players who we need to hold onto because the best clubs will be in for them - they are that good. Neither Nolan or Bartoon fit into that category for me. I'd prefer to keep Barton especially but we might be better just letting them play out their contracts and looking at it again when they are done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Cronky, I could agree with you if Barton was insisting that, say, Alan Smith was given a lucrative new deal, before signing up. However Nolan is a superb captain, a good leader, and is top goalscorer for us this season. I can understand that Joey needs assurances of stability. He has been great for us this season, and has made great changes to himself off the pitch too and from what I've heard him say Nolan has helped him with his personal life changes too. Exactly what sort of contract Nolan is worth is open to debate, but in any case that's down to the club to decide. For Joey to publicly say that Nolan's contract is the deal-breaker for him is a form of manipulation that's not good for the squad as a whole. The squad have to see that everyone's being assessed according to the same process. I'd agree with oldtype - the whole thing is in danger of getting out of hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 The situation has arisen because of the Carroll sale. After that, none of the players can be sure that the club won't ship out the core of the squad, and are more apprehensive of it than they might have been if the Carroll sale hadn't happened. Nolan is in that core. He is without a doubt one of our most important players, at least this season, and the players most likely view him as an important player for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Think Barton is starting to push it a little bit to far for my liking. The last few months both off and on the field has made that I don´t like him as much as the first half of the season. I´m very disappointed with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 The situation has arisen because of the Carroll sale. After that, none of the players can be sure that the club won't ship out the core of the squad, and are more apprehensive of it than they might have been if the Carroll sale hadn't happened. Nolan is in that core. He is without a doubt one of our most important players, at least this season, and the players most likely view him as an important player for next season. yeah, but everyone make it sound like we are the only club in the world that has sold a key player. Come on. It happens all the time. Of course you are aloud to debate it and questioning it, but it should make the whole squad want to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 The situation has arisen because of the Carroll sale. After that, none of the players can be sure that the club won't ship out the core of the squad, and are more apprehensive of it than they might have been if the Carroll sale hadn't happened. Nolan is in that core. He is without a doubt one of our most important players, at least this season, and the players most likely view him as an important player for next season. Like I said, Nolan's got two years left on his contract, and as far as I'm aware has been offered a new one. It might be that both Barton and Nolan feel they can get a better deal elsewhere in which case it's understandable if they don't sign new contracts and just sit out their current ones. I don't have any problem with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 The situation has arisen because of the Carroll sale. After that, none of the players can be sure that the club won't ship out the core of the squad, and are more apprehensive of it than they might have been if the Carroll sale hadn't happened. Nolan is in that core. He is without a doubt one of our most important players, at least this season, and the players most likely view him as an important player for next season. I'm not sure it's a sign they'd 'ship out' anyone. As far as I'm aware, they spent all of January saying Carroll wasn't for sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Both Nolan and Barton should think themselves lucky if they get new contracts. I doubt they could better them except by going to Qatar or somewhere like that. Barton has only just started earning his money, and all indications are that Nolan will be totally immobile in about two years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Both Nolan and Barton should think themselves lucky if they get new contracts. I doubt they could better them except by going to Qatar or somewhere like that. Barton has only just started earning his money, and all indications are that Nolan will be totally immobile in about two years time. Barton, maybe, but Nolan - that's a ridiculous comment. He's been the most important person at the club, bar maybe one or two (Hughton/Carroll perhaps) during our revival of the last two years. Whether or not you like him as a footballer, if there's one player at the club who deserves a new contract, it's the current Captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Can't say for sure of course, but I imagine the emphasis is on making sure Nolan isn't left with one year on his deal next summer and gets sold instead of kept on. I wouldn't imagine the push is to whack a 50-100% payrise in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Both Nolan and Barton should think themselves lucky if they get new contracts. I doubt they could better them except by going to Qatar or somewhere like that. Barton has only just started earning his money, and all indications are that Nolan will be totally immobile in about two years time. I'm sure Barton is actually happily accepting a wage reduction to stay here, the reason he hasn't signed sooner and is waiting on Nolan is due to the length being offered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Not be offered a new contract Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Not be offered a new contract Seriously? Sources? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Shit news. Why u no offer contract Mike, you fat twat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Not be offered a new contract Oh fuck that. Surely has to be bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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