Cunning_Linguist Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The amount of stick Ashley gets while paying money into the club would surely be nothing compared to the abuse if he was actually paying himself back. At least he could reduce the 'lying prick' scale down to 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The amount of stick Ashley gets while paying money into the club would surely be nothing compared to the abuse if he was actually paying himself back. What annoys me is that he makes bad decisions. He compounds this by making consecutive bad decisions which are then disastrous. But what baffles me is when he starts repeating them. Then i abuse him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The club must have made a profit in the year ended June 2011 in both cash and accounting terms. I predict heated discussions on here at some point on whether repayment of a loan is taking money out of the club or not...... I can see where the argument could come into it and technically he will be taking it out. And I expect that one day he will take it if he stays. Whether that is a problems depends on how much he takes and what suffers because of it, if anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I've just realised that we're a month and a bit into the new financial year, my bet is on him having taken millions out, probably tens of millions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I've just realised that we're a month and a bit into the new financial year, my bet is on him having taken millions out, probably tens of millions. eh?? financial year starts in april, not june/july Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I think plenty of others would though tbh. What are the benefits of him taking the Carroll money out V leaving it in the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 eh?? financial year starts in april, not june/july Starts 1st July. Edit, you mean the tax year, I mean our accounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 eh?? financial year starts in april, not june/july Thats new on me, who'f financial year? Just the clubs? Starts 1st July. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Thats new on me, who'f financial year? Just the clubs? I've edited my post without seeing your question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I think plenty of others would though tbh. What are the benefits of him taking the Carroll money out V leaving it in the club? It all seems a bit confusing because whatever's in the club (player assets, money) is his anyway, but as he's been charitable by not charging interests on the loans, it would (I presume) be in his interests to reduce those loans and put the money elsewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It all seems a bit confusing because whatever's in the club (player assets, money) is his anyway, but as he's been charitable by not charging interests on the loans, it would (I presume) be in his interests to reduce those loans and put the money elsewhere? I meant tax wise which I didn't make clear, I know he would personally benefit if he took it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I think plenty of others would though tbh. What are the benefits of him taking the Carroll money out V leaving it in the club? I think plenty of others would though tbh. What are the benefits of him taking the Carroll money out V leaving it in the club? It all seems a bit confusing because whatever's in the club (player assets, money) is his anyway, but as he's been charitable by not charging interests on the loans, it would (I presume) be in his interests to reduce those loans and put the money elsewhere? None of us know the ins and outs of Ashley's tax situation or even what his attitude is to this loan. But yes, at first glance, you would have to think that's spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 None of us know the ins and outs of Ashley's tax situation or even what his attitude is to this loan. But yes, at first glance, you would have to think that's spot on. At least we have a better idea why we're not spending then, unless he was to put it back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander68 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Fail http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/9503/6/exclusive-winterburn-if-wenger-believes-he-can-control-him-arsenal-c Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He won't be staying.. the ONLY he stays is if no one comes in for him with a decent wage & contract length offer. There you go, DJ. He's right though, anyone who doesn't hero worship Barton will surely see that. LOL @heroworship, #anymildopinionisturnedintoextremismonthisforum. (is that 140 characters?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As ever I admire the sentiment and appreciate anyone trying to better the club. The failure of the Hull game protests (and subsequent formation of NUST) to have any impact though suggests to me that nothing we can realistically do will have any effect. We're stuck with the useless cunt. It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. in other words we've got nothing to lose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Fail http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/9503/6/exclusive-winterburn-if-wenger-believes-he-can-control-him-arsenal-c I'm sure they've done that before. That must be the stock image they've got saved for Barton. Thick cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As ever I admire the sentiment and appreciate anyone trying to better the club. The failure of the Hull game protests (and subsequent formation of NUST) to have any impact though suggests to me that nothing we can realistically do will have any effect. We're stuck with the useless cunt. It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. in other words we've got nothing to lose? I did expand on that further down the page: It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. Your honest opinion is flawed, he's running the business on a purely profit basis now and that has been his aim for at least as long as Llambias has been here. He could make a lot more profit out of it without signing players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux and Ba. In fact I reckon to run the club on a profit maximising basis he would have been mad to sell Nolan as you could get enough goals from a side playing long ball football with Nolan and a few other big hard players to ensure survival every season. Top that off with interest charges on his loan and he could make a tidy sum surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 A side with players like Ben Arfa and Cabaye running on a maximized profit is much more appealing than a team with a bunch of bruisers running on a profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 A side with players like Ben Arfa and Cabaye running on a maximized profit is much more appealing than a team with a bunch of bruisers running on a profit. Isn't that the whole point of the entertainment industry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As ever I admire the sentiment and appreciate anyone trying to better the club. The failure of the Hull game protests (and subsequent formation of NUST) to have any impact though suggests to me that nothing we can realistically do will have any effect. We're stuck with the useless cunt. It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. in other words we've got nothing to lose? I did expand on that further down the page: It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. Your honest opinion is flawed, he's running the business on a purely profit basis now and that has been his aim for at least as long as Llambias has been here. He could make a lot more profit out of it without signing players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux and Ba. In fact I reckon to run the club on a profit maximising basis he would have been mad to sell Nolan as you could get enough goals from a side playing long ball football with Nolan and a few other big hard players to ensure survival every season. Top that off with interest charges on his loan and he could make a tidy sum surely? fair enough but i wholly disagree. imo ashley doesnt care either way who plays for us or who doesnt so long as we 1. stay in the premier league 2. spend as little as possible Therefore to me, after having witnessed the Carroll sale and the things around it, cabaye, tiote, ben arfa are speculative buys. They'll do a job for us in that they'll keep us up but he wont think twice about cashing in on them if the offers come in, which they will. It's profit based player acquisition, hence the 'sell on value' that's trickled down to be in the forefront of so many supporters minds. Gone are the days when we consider the transfer fee and wages as a fair swap for what we get on the pitch, what we get when the player leaves the club is more important. This is all absolutely fine if you have balance, and our club is so out of balance now it's a frightening gamble, but we've seen him gamble before haven't we? And he'll keep doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 As ever I admire the sentiment and appreciate anyone trying to better the club. The failure of the Hull game protests (and subsequent formation of NUST) to have any impact though suggests to me that nothing we can realistically do will have any effect. We're stuck with the useless cunt. It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. in other words we've got nothing to lose? I did expand on that further down the page: It's my honest opinion that this sort of action will just antagonise Ashley and make him even more determined to run the business on a purely profit basis. Nothing to be gained at this point by getting antsy. Your honest opinion is flawed, he's running the business on a purely profit basis now and that has been his aim for at least as long as Llambias has been here. He could make a lot more profit out of it without signing players like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveaux and Ba. In fact I reckon to run the club on a profit maximising basis he would have been mad to sell Nolan as you could get enough goals from a side playing long ball football with Nolan and a few other big hard players to ensure survival every season. Top that off with interest charges on his loan and he could make a tidy sum surely? fair enough but i wholly disagree. imo ashley doesnt care either way who plays for us or who doesnt so long as we 1. stay in the premier league 2. spend as little as possible Therefore to me, after having witnessed the Carroll sale and the things around it, cabaye, tiote, ben arfa are speculative buys. They'll do a job for us in that they'll keep us up but he wont think twice about cashing in on them if the offers come in, which they will. It's profit based player acquisition, hence the 'sell on value' that's trickled down to be in the forefront of so many supporters minds. Gone are the days when we consider the transfer fee and wages as a fair swap for what we get on the pitch, what we get when the player leaves the club is more important. This is all absolutely fine if you have balance, and our club is so out of balance now it's a frightening gamble, but we've seen him gamble before haven't we? And he'll keep doing it. We've been down the other route with Fat Fred where he was paying players far more than they were worth in order to sign them or keep them here, sometimes for emotional reasons rather than performance based. That landed us in a lot of debt. Now unfortunately we seem to have an owner who is going the other way completely and is being so tight with the finances it's in danger of stunting growth. Difficult to support either approach really so I'm with you, we have lost the balance required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 if you would have had this saga 12 months ago, everybody would be saying good riddance!!! one good season doesn't make him irreplaceable. Nolan is different as he was our captain, but again, a player we wouldn't have minded losing. The only reason people are reacting so badly is because he will go on a free, something that he would have done next year. He wouldn't have been in the starting 11 this year any way and would have just bitched if he had of been on the bench. Personally happy to see this bench spot filled by vuckic and the electrician. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 if you would have had this saga 12 months ago, everybody would be saying good riddance!!! one good season doesn't make him irreplaceable. Nolan is different as he was our captain, but again, a player we wouldn't have minded losing. The only reason people are reacting so badly is because he will go on a free, something that he would have done next year. He wouldn't have been in the starting 11 this year any way and would have just bitched if he had of been on the bench. Personally happy to see this bench spot filled by vuckic and the electrician. My personal contender for worst post of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Talkshit, still going on about Barton, he latest tweets are causing a stir.. threatening to stay sit on his arse and take the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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