Cajun Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Not at all, both could have stayed Nolan left for the money, if Barton goes to QPR he will have done the same. If it was a sideways step fair enough but It's clearly not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's got nothing to do with ambition and everything to do with crazy insane owners who can't deal with personalities stronger than them existing within the club. Barton and Nolan were both offered new contracts though. Either the owners realised Nolan and Barton were valuable first-team players and offered them extensions deemed financially suitable for the club given their ages or they were derisory, token offers designed to show the fans that they tried, but Nolan and Barton asked for too much. Until the details of the contracts that were offered to Kevin and Joey in January are known for definite then it's anyone's guess where the blame lies. Although, given that talks with Simpson have supposedly broken down, I'm slightly inclined to go with the latter.. I just choose the safe option and always blame everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. Completely different situation with Nolan. Nolan was captain, could have stayed. Barton is almost forced out by this fucking boardroom. He has not been forced out. He is contracted to play for us until summer 2012 and despite his fuckups has a manager willing to give him yet another chance, and is giving him games. It is up to him and him alone whether he leaves now and ends up on a bigger wedge at QPR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 davidsedgwickNE David Sedgwick @Karl84thompson he seemed resigned to the fact he was leaving. Didnt look happy. Gave the impression he wanted to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Really Carries to much baggage, that is why he left man city, hasn't been near the England squad even when in good form, and one of the reasons no top club is in for him. QPR is the only club to show an interest which sums the situation up. Good player with a lot of baggage who is replacable. His baggage is hardly a burden on us now though. And we'll not replace him on a free thats for sure. Really so his Twitter statements aren't an issue then? Or the controversy in the arsenal game where his actions got the club fined? If he does sign for them I am really looking forward to his tweets regarding our club His twitter statements were hardly damaging to the club, Mike Ashley's stupid idea of transfer listing him for free however is. And the club was fined (did we win the appeal or not?) because other players got involved, not because Joey Barton picked a player up by his shirt. It's a bit shady when folk are slamming him for a yellow card offence during a game like. That last bit is only your opinion. Graham poll said he would have sent him off for it. Is he shady too then? No, but he's an attention seeking media whore and a s*** ref to boot. I also remember from numerous Setanta games, he hates Joey Barton. But the point being he has an opinion just like any other ref who, considering bartons past, could have also sent him off for his actions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's got nothing to do with ambition and everything to do with crazy insane owners who can't deal with personalities stronger than them existing within the club. Barton and Nolan were both offered new contracts though. Either the owners realised Nolan and Barton were valuable first-team players and offered them extensions deemed financially suitable for the club given their ages or they were derisory, token offers designed to show the fans that they tried, but Nolan and Barton asked for too much. Until the details of the contracts that were offered to Kevin and Joey in January are known for definite then it's anyone's guess where the blame lies. Although, given that talks with Simpson have supposedly broken down, I'm slightly inclined to go with the latter.. I reckon Barton had a good contract in front of him and chose to play roulette after Carroll. When your CEO is an ex casino boss there is only one winner Nolan was never a priority imho. Pardew saw him as the anti-christ to the style of play he wanted to bring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... That would be the equivalent of a beet farmer in rural China coming up to you and saying "Oy man, you could be king of my village with the money you've got!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 No chance of us getting relegated, absolutely ridiculous statement Bet we could dig a couple of these statements out from a couple of seasons ago when we did have strikers in the team. We proved no chance had every chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... But it's all relative. Barton will wamt to make as little sacrifices as possible aft he retires for him and his family, and continue living the life he has now. Anyone would feel the same tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... That would be the equivalent of a beet farmer in rural China coming up to you and saying "Oy man, you could be king of my village with the money you've got!" Correct, its all relative! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 No chance of us getting relegated, absolutely ridiculous statement Bet we could dig a couple of these statements out from a couple of seasons ago when we did have strikers in the team. We proved no chance had every chance. Absolutely. We're worse off this season than two years ago today. Of course, this season we probably won't have a change of manager right after the transfer window. But even that - never say never. If Barton gets sold and let's say no new signing at all than I can see Pardew walking like KK did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 People talking about replacements What do you think Overtanned was? A striker / winger who has played more on the left hand side. Wasn't it barnetta who was said to be barons replacement earlier in the summer? He's played on the right wing for us in both his games so far. There is no way Ashley will go out and spend £5m on Barnetta having just spent £3.5m on Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Not at all, both could have stayed Nolan left for the money, if Barton goes to QPR he will have done the same. If it was a sideways step fair enough but It's clearly not. Agreed. I thought Barton was only going to leave for a CL club? If he's going to QPR it's not for glamour or success that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 No chance of us getting relegated, absolutely ridiculous statement Bet we could dig a couple of these statements out from a couple of seasons ago when we did have strikers in the team. We proved no chance had every chance. If Pardew walks on Sep. 2nd, we don't appoint a manger for a month, then appoint Joe Kinnear, then he dies in February, and we have Jon Carver as manager for two months, and then appoint Rob Lee, I agree, we're relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... But it's all relative. Barton will wamt to make as little sacrifices as possible aft he retires for him and his family, and continue living the life he has now. Anyone would feel the same tbh. Correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 People talking about replacements What do you think Overtanned was? A striker / winger who has played more on the left hand side. Wasn't it barnetta who was said to be barons replacement earlier in the summer? He's played on the right wing for us in both his games so far. There is no way Ashley will go out and spend £5m on Barnetta having just spent £3.5m on Obertan. He played right wing for just over a half vs Arsenal. #pedant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samjack Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm getting absolutely sick to fucking death of shit like this, i've been supporting this club & attending matches since the late 70's & i am so disilutioned by the whole game its untrue. Do the paying supporters even come into the reckoning at all now......not at all !! The whole game is absolutely ruined & is full of money grabbing individuals who could'nt give a flying fuck for the game. I'm definately not the only one of my age group thinking this way i know that for sure. R.I.P. football, we had some laughs !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... But it's all relative. Barton will wamt to make as little sacrifices as possible aft he retires for him and his family, and continue living the life he has now. Anyone would feel the same tbh. The same Barton that yesterday stated he'll downsize his car to a Prius? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... But it's all relative. Barton will wamt to make as little sacrifices as possible aft he retires for him and his family, and continue living the life he has now. Anyone would feel the same tbh. Correct Ah well, he's doing the right thing. Brilliant. Enjoy your extra £8k a week in the Championship. Well done on getting that Champions League you were talking about Joey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16497_7120258,00.html In this press conference, Pardew reminds me a bit of KK just after Milner was sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton moves to QPR, he is just as bad as Nolan. Moaning on about lack of ambition then showing a complete lack of ambition themselves. I am sure someone will argue how West Ham and QPR are showing ambition offering ridiculous contracts. I understand the point. And ith all things equal this would be the case however When the sums of money involved are completely contrasting (NUFC low - WH/QPR high) there really isnt a decision to make. Personal and financial security to live the life they want to lead comes first Barton and Nolan could retire tomorrow and both be financially secure forever. They have a financial/life plan that requires them to earn as much as possible before they retire 33/34 They will have massive outgoings Dont be so naive It is on a different level to what you or me can understand Barton earns more in 60 weeks at NUFC (no including any boot deals ect.) than I will in 60 years. It can't be that bad... But it's all relative. Barton will wamt to make as little sacrifices as possible aft he retires for him and his family, and continue living the life he has now. Anyone would feel the same tbh. The same Barton that yesterday stated he'll downsize his car to a Prius? So he's been efficient. Still doesn't change the fact he will want to be as finantialy secure as possible after retirement, infact it sort of supports the idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm getting absolutely sick to f***ing death of s*** like this, i've been supporting this club & attending matches since the late 70's & i am so disilutioned by the whole game its untrue. Do the paying supporters even come into the reckoning at all now......not at all !! The whole game is absolutely ruined & is full of money grabbing individuals who could'nt give a flying f*** for the game. I'm definately not the only one of my age group thinking this way i know that for sure. R.I.P. football, we had some laughs !! You have summed it up perfectly for me too mate, exactly how I feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16497_7120258,00.html In this press conference, Pardew reminds me a bit of KK just after Milner was sold. Available for Sunday... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16497_7120258,00.html In this press conference, Pardew reminds me a bit of KK just after Milner was sold. Available for Sunday... Yeah, that sounded even more honest than the normal lying Pardew. Also, how long did it take him to get the words "foot problem" out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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