Guest Roger Kint Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 For the 15.2% who want Hughton see Glenn Roeder The players are playing for themselves, period. They have had their reputations ruined by failing to avoid relegation. As soon as we have a bad run, you will see why Hughton is only a coach Am in that group and my choice was based on continuity until at least January/end of the season depending on a takeover. We have seen what constant upheaval can cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 For the 15.2% who want Hughton see Glenn Roeder The players are playing for themselves, period. They have had their reputations ruined by failing to avoid relegation. As soon as we have a bad run, you will see why Hughton is only a coach I don't believe Hughton is a long term answer, but while the club is officially up for sale he might as well continue the job if he's getting the results. What are the alternatvie options? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaA2 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 For the 15.2% who want Hughton see Glenn Roeder The players are playing for themselves, period. They have had their reputations ruined by failing to avoid relegation. As soon as we have a bad run, you will see why Hughton is only a coach I don't believe Hughton is a long term answer, but while the club is officially up for sale he might as well continue the job if he's getting the results. What are the alternatvie options? He's fine for the Championship but the Roeder comparison is a good one. We're effectively the equivalent of the Real Madrid galacticos in this league and any old idiot would be expected to get us promoted. However, if we're back in the Premiership next season, we need an experienced and proven modern manager. Not Shearer. Not 90s men like Kinnear and Keegan and not coaches like Hughton but a proper manager. He's p*ssed on his chips now but Steve Bruce last season would have been a good choice and would have kept us up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 For the 15.2% who want Hughton see Glenn Roeder The players are playing for themselves, period. They have had their reputations ruined by failing to avoid relegation. As soon as we have a bad run, you will see why Hughton is only a coach I don't believe Hughton is a long term answer, but while the club is officially up for sale he might as well continue the job if he's getting the results. What are the alternatvie options? He's fine for the Championship but the Roeder comparison is a good one. We're effectively the equivalent of the Real Madrid galacticos in this league and any old idiot would be expected to get us promoted. However, if we're back in the Premiership next season, we need an experienced and proven modern manager. Not Shearer. Not 90s men like Kinnear and Keegan and not coaches like Hughton but a proper manager. He's p*ssed on his chips now but Steve Bruce last season would have been a good choice and would have kept us up. Don't think that was Bruce's fault tbf. He would have come here if he'd been given the opportunity but he wasn't and now it's too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Haven't read the thread but I bet everyone's gone off Shearer now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Haven't read the thread but I bet everyone's gone off Shearer now. Stick with Hughton alone 33 (15.3%) Bring Shearer in as manager 144 (67%) Appoint someone else 38 (17.7%) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 At the time I was very taken with almost all that Shearer was doing...bar the results. Looking back just at the stats now it's easy to forget this, particularly since we've won a few relatively easy games on the trot now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Haven't read the thread but I bet everyone's gone off Shearer now. Stick with Hughton alone 33 (15.3%) Bring Shearer in as manager 144 (67%) Appoint someone else 38 (17.7%) People always vote the opp of what they say in the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Haven't read the thread but I bet everyone's gone off Shearer now. Stick with Hughton alone 33 (15.3%) Bring Shearer in as manager 144 (67%) Appoint someone else 38 (17.7%) People always vote the opp of what they say in the thread. Vic left ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Haven't read the thread but I bet everyone's gone off Shearer now. Stick with Hughton alone 33 (15.3%) Bring Shearer in as manager 144 (67%) Appoint someone else 38 (17.7%) People always vote the opp of what they say in the thread. Vic left ages ago. :colo: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaA2 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Haven't read the thread but I bet everyone's gone off Shearer now. Alot probably have but some of us didn't want him in the first place and don't just change our opinions every 5 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montey Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I have a mixed response. Of all the people I have heard of that actually -want- the job, Shearer is the one I'd prefer. But.... I'd prefer we get someone with more experience and potentially more talent (I say potentially more because Shearer is completely unproven). So, for example, if the choices were Shearer or Kinnear I'd want Shearer. But if the choices were Shearer or Hitzfeld I'd want Hitzfeld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I have a mixed response. Of all the people I have heard of that actually -want- the job, Shearer is the one I'd prefer. But.... I'd prefer we get someone with more experience and potentially more talent (I say potentially more because Shearer is completely unproven). So, for example, if the choices were Shearer or Kinnear I'd want Shearer. But if the choices were Shearer or Hitzfeld I'd want Hitzfeld. I don't think many people would want Shearer over Hitzfeld. It's pretty much irrelevant though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I have a mixed response. Of all the people I have heard of that actually -want- the job, Shearer is the one I'd prefer. But.... I'd prefer we get someone with more experience and potentially more talent (I say potentially more because Shearer is completely unproven). So, for example, if the choices were Shearer or Kinnear I'd want Shearer. But if the choices were Shearer or Hitzfeld I'd want Hitzfeld. I don't think many people would want Shearer over Hitzfeld. It's pretty much irrelevant though. except 30,000 odd who go to the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I have a mixed response. Of all the people I have heard of that actually -want- the job, Shearer is the one I'd prefer. But.... I'd prefer we get someone with more experience and potentially more talent (I say potentially more because Shearer is completely unproven). So, for example, if the choices were Shearer or Kinnear I'd want Shearer. But if the choices were Shearer or Hitzfeld I'd want Hitzfeld. I don't think many people would want Shearer over Hitzfeld. It's pretty much irrelevant though. except 30,000 odd who go to the game Moot point though isn't it. If we had our choice of some of the world's top managers I don't think there'd be much clamouring for Shearer. Granted, there probably would be some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think you've got a major point there 2sheds, I love Shearer but we should have moved him on when he was a player, and we should be looking at proven managers. Our club has massive potential, we could easily be as big as someone like Man Utd. With Shepherd, Hall and Keegan firmly in the past we should be looking to bring someone in to take us to the next level. Perfect scenario - with promotion secured and a new owner in place I would think managers would be falling over themselves to get into the hotseat, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Why should we have sold Shearer as a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Why should we have sold Shearer as a player What I mean is that the top clubs move their players on when they're past their best. Shearer did a lot for us but there came a point when he was no longer top class. You could argue we weren't a top class club, but that's another thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Moved Shearer on? Up until the end of the 03/04 season he was good enough for anyone in the Premiership. He was still banging them in and performing consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. "failed manager"...what after 8 games? Do i think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? Not sure, but he did sign Owen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. Stopped reading after 'failed manager' tbh. Managers these days are judged on the dealings more than anything else which pretty much blows your suggestion out of the water Scholes isnt as effective as he used to be, does Fergie peddle him out, no! Shearer still did a good job for the team during his final years, even though his pace limited his effectiveness compared to how he used to be. Had the management at the time kept Bellamy or someone of his like (not including Owen as by that point his game wasnt about pace) he would have been very effective. His contract extention was nothing to do with records! If Shearer gets appointed and he is given free rein for 4-5 years i have no doubt that we will be challenging the top end of the premiership again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. Stopped reading after 'failed manager' tbh. Managers these days are judged on the dealings more than anything else which pretty much blows your suggestion out of the water Scholes isnt as effective as he used to be, does Fergie peddle him out, no! Shearer still did a good job for the team during his final years, even though his pace limited his effectiveness compared to how he used to be. Had the management at the time kept Bellamy or someone of his like (not including Owen as by that point his game wasnt about pace) he would have been very effective. His contract extention was nothing to do with records! If Shearer gets appointed and he is given free rein for 4-5 years i have no doubt that we will be challenging the top end of the premiership again! I think if that happens in 4-5 years you'll still be sick. EDIT - I was going to leave it at that but the players you name are absurd comparisons. Shearer would have foolowed the path of Cole, Van Nistelrooy or Dwight Yorke - show the door when they became 2nd best. As for Scholes he is a SQUAD player, not an automatic first choice for the team. Owen is a good piece of business because: A he cost them nothing as opposed to the £17 million we shelled out B He's on a fraction of the wages we were paying him. BTW do you seriously think Owen will be allowed to finish his career at Old Trafford or will he be moved on if he doesn't come up to scratch for them? Also if the contract extention had nothing to do with records can you tell me what else Shearer has actually achieved here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2sheds Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. "failed manager"...what after 8 games? Do i think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? Not sure, but he did sign Owen! On a free. As a squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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