MW Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Why should we have sold Shearer as a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Why should we have sold Shearer as a player What I mean is that the top clubs move their players on when they're past their best. Shearer did a lot for us but there came a point when he was no longer top class. You could argue we weren't a top class club, but that's another thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Moved Shearer on? Up until the end of the 03/04 season he was good enough for anyone in the Premiership. He was still banging them in and performing consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. "failed manager"...what after 8 games? Do i think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? Not sure, but he did sign Owen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. Stopped reading after 'failed manager' tbh. Managers these days are judged on the dealings more than anything else which pretty much blows your suggestion out of the water Scholes isnt as effective as he used to be, does Fergie peddle him out, no! Shearer still did a good job for the team during his final years, even though his pace limited his effectiveness compared to how he used to be. Had the management at the time kept Bellamy or someone of his like (not including Owen as by that point his game wasnt about pace) he would have been very effective. His contract extention was nothing to do with records! If Shearer gets appointed and he is given free rein for 4-5 years i have no doubt that we will be challenging the top end of the premiership again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. Stopped reading after 'failed manager' tbh. Managers these days are judged on the dealings more than anything else which pretty much blows your suggestion out of the water Scholes isnt as effective as he used to be, does Fergie peddle him out, no! Shearer still did a good job for the team during his final years, even though his pace limited his effectiveness compared to how he used to be. Had the management at the time kept Bellamy or someone of his like (not including Owen as by that point his game wasnt about pace) he would have been very effective. His contract extention was nothing to do with records! If Shearer gets appointed and he is given free rein for 4-5 years i have no doubt that we will be challenging the top end of the premiership again! I think if that happens in 4-5 years you'll still be sick. EDIT - I was going to leave it at that but the players you name are absurd comparisons. Shearer would have foolowed the path of Cole, Van Nistelrooy or Dwight Yorke - show the door when they became 2nd best. As for Scholes he is a SQUAD player, not an automatic first choice for the team. Owen is a good piece of business because: A he cost them nothing as opposed to the £17 million we shelled out B He's on a fraction of the wages we were paying him. BTW do you seriously think Owen will be allowed to finish his career at Old Trafford or will he be moved on if he doesn't come up to scratch for them? Also if the contract extention had nothing to do with records can you tell me what else Shearer has actually achieved here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 bring keegan back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 All this 'inability to work with Barton' stuff is horseshit! The facts of the matter were that Barton made a petulant tackle that resulted in a straight red card meaning he could play no further part in the run in. Shearer was frustrated because he knew how important Barton was in the run in. What should he have done 'Its ok Joey everyone makes mistakes, dont worry about the fact that you are now banned from the run in' He faced up to what it was which was inexcusable. He told Barton exactly what he thought, something Hughton would not do in a million years. JFK would have probably applauded Barton for showing the c*** who's boss. I WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE TAKE THE PISS OUT OF THIS CLUB This sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Duff who has worked under Mourinho said Shearer was top drawer. This when he was not a guaranteed starter. This speaks volumes for me. Beggars belief that anyone can not want Shearer. It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. "failed manager"...what after 8 games? Do i think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? Not sure, but he did sign Owen! On a free. As a squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest burtyboy Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think Alan shearer will do a fantastic job. and would be willing to put money on it, and alot of it. The payers would love it if he was named boss, and they know 1 million percent for than any of us. Everyone comes on here probably havent even played professional football. Never mind been managed by anyone of his stature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest burtyboy Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think Alan shearer will do a fantastic job. and would be willing to put money on it. The players would love it if he was named boss, and they have a 1 million percent better understanding of the club for than any of us. Alot of people who comes on here probably havent even played professional football. Never mind been managed by anyone of his stature. Before any says anything this is only my opinion, yes i have played professionally, and at newcastle although i never made the 1st team. I was there under keegan,dalglish and gullit and believe Alan would do a fantastic job. I dont think he should be the only option we look at however!! as that would be foolish, we could bring in sum1 to help him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 My main reason for thinking Shearer is the best option (outside of "Mancini" fantasy land) is that I think he is the only guy who would be given time to get the necessary foundations in place to put this club on a solid footing. I think he would get much more time allowed than Strachan, Curbs, or any of the other mentioned managers. What we need is stability, and some time spent getting the foundation of the house right, and not rushing out to pick out curtains and carpet. I can see Shearer being allowed more time to do this by the fans/media than I can any other manager who hits a slump period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think those who have used the "needs experience at a lower level" argument in the past (including to an extent myself) should realise that here and now is the perfect chance for that - we are doing okay in what looks like an "easy" league so what better time to get him in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Moved Shearer on? Up until the end of the 03/04 season he was good enough for anyone in the Premiership. He was still banging them in and performing consistently. Which is when Bobby tried to sell him to Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think those who have used the "needs experience at a lower level" argument in the past (including to an extent myself) should realise that here and now is the perfect chance for that - we are doing okay in what looks like an "easy" league so what better time to get him in? It was best summed up by: Random Poster "He needs experience in the lower leagues" Dave "We're in the lower leagues!!!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 I think those who have used the "needs experience at a lower level" argument in the past (including to an extent myself) should realise that here and now is the perfect chance for that - we are doing okay in what looks like an "easy" league so what better time to get him in? It was best summed up by: Random Poster "He needs experience in the lower leagues" Dave "We're in the lower leagues!!!" That random poster was me, I believe. The stakes are too high, I believe, to take a punt on an unknown quantity in the Championship. Despite it looking an "easy" league as NJS put it (it is hardly a walk in the park), if we do not get promoted this season we are up s*** creek. Barclays, if they do approve a season-long overdraft extension in order to facilitate a timely sale, would unlikely be so kind next season. If we remain in the Championship, there will be a firesale of what few assets we have. Not many Championship clubs spend big - it is only when they hit the Premiership where the extra revenue is spent. My issue with Shearer is that he is an unknown quantity as a manager. For every "Shearer is great" story you hear, there is a "he undermined the manager" etc. story. True or not, I would rather someone with a bit of experience take us on until promotion and then set our sights on a bigger name manager. If he becomes our manager and gets us promoted, I'll be the first to congratulate him. But if it went wrong, we'd be suffering for years and turn into yet another mid-table Championship club, stuck in a rut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Face facts though - without a sale its Hughton and I honestly can't see a buyer not appointing Shearer - I think we have to just make the best of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Face facts though - without a sale its Hughton and I honestly can't see a buyer not appointing Shearer - I think we have to just make the best of that. Couldn't put it more succinctly than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michaelfoster Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 someone else please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 The main reason all the prospective buyers talk about appointing Shearer is because it's the only solution they can conceive to deal with the problem of a fractious fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Any opinions changed? Assuming Moat comes in it looks likely that the only options are to stick with Hughton or twist with Shearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 As much as Hughton is doing a cracking job, Shearer still needs to come in as soon as Moat buys the club. Purely because if (or probably when) we go up, Hughton isn't going to be a long term appointment, is he? Shearer needs all the experience he can get, and he might as well get it in this league. He should be fine with Dowie, Hughton etc all supporting him. If we stick with Hughton till the end of the season, win promotion and then stick Shearer in, he still has barely any managerial experience. Putting Shearer in ASAP would also allow him to start shaping the squad a little in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 As long as Hughton stays then yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 As long as Hughton stays then yes Hughton might have a better offer from elsewhere on the back of this form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 We need a long term plan. Is Hughton going to improve that much as a manager? I doubt it. Does he even want to be manager? Who knows. As for Shearer, he's unproven at the moment but he seems to have bags of potential as a manager (big name to attract players, played under top managers, not afraid to experiment, not afraid to drop 'star' players etc.) and I'd still be happy to have him in. If we got promoted, I think we'd go straight back down with Hughton in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 At the mo we are in a Richard Dinnis situation where we qualified for europe the following season he got sacked and until Keegan turned up we were in the sh*t. Same thing here all the players and Hughton bonding as one as there is no other leadership,Hughton won't be much cop in the premiership and we will have to spend money once the loaneess have finished nothing will have changed. So perhaps we need someone who is used to having minimal cash to keep us in the premiership should we get promotion until another decent manager from the ranks can be found. 9/10 star players don't make star managers and usually god managers are poorish players fromthe lower leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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