matta Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Tought Butt did good today. Good defending, however nothing going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Was only a 1-year extension anyway. Really don't think he'll sign another. Was he as pitiful tonight as he was against Donny? Yep. Passing put Kadar and Simpson in particular under pressure they didn't need. Total refusal to take responsiblity at times. As Ronaldo (I think?) said after one of our last games, Nolan looks every inch the captain. Ronaldo did indeed say that. Pertaining to his attitude and willingness to take responsiblity on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Tought Butt did good today. Good defending, however nothing going forward. That was pretty much how the team played. Wonder if it was a coincidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 you'd think with a central midfield of butt and smith the plan woule be for smith to be the one to push on.......wrong. at least 3 times enrique broke down the left. got to 30yds out and held the ball up and alan smith (come on...between him and butt who should push on...he's an ex international forwrad and butt has been anall time defensive midfielder) wouldn't go beyond the centre circle even when he could see the gap,the space and the player needing support. slag off nicky butt all you want. he's better in that position than alan smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 you'd think with a central midfield of butt and smith the plan woule be for smith to be the one to push on.......wrong. at least 3 times enrique broke down the left. got to 30yds out and held the ball up and alan smith (come on...between him and butt who should push on...he's an ex international forwrad and butt has been anall time defensive midfielder) wouldn't go beyond the centre circle even when he could see the gap,the space and the player needing support. slag off nicky butt all you want. he's better in that position than alan smith. The reason he doesn't go that far forward is because he understands the role of a defensive midfielder. Butt has played in that position all his life and still doesn't understand that you don't press the ball ridiculously high up the pitch as you can have the ball passed around you easy. I can't believe anyone still champions the cause of Nicky Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 you'd think with a central midfield of butt and smith the plan woule be for smith to be the one to push on.......wrong. at least 3 times enrique broke down the left. got to 30yds out and held the ball up and alan smith (come on...between him and butt who should push on...he's an ex international forwrad and butt has been anall time defensive midfielder) wouldn't go beyond the centre circle even when he could see the gap,the space and the player needing support. slag off nicky butt all you want. he's better in that position than alan smith. Why blame Alan Smith for the ludicrous decision to play two holding midfielders? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 you'd think with a central midfield of butt and smith the plan woule be for smith to be the one to push on.......wrong. at least 3 times enrique broke down the left. got to 30yds out and held the ball up and alan smith (come on...between him and butt who should push on...he's an ex international forwrad and butt has been anall time defensive midfielder) wouldn't go beyond the centre circle even when he could see the gap,the space and the player needing support. slag off nicky butt all you want. he's better in that position than alan smith. The reason he doesn't go that far forward is because he understands the role of a defensive midfielder. Butt has played in that position all his life and still doesn't understand that you don't press the ball ridiculously high up the pitch as you can have the ball passed around you easy. I can't believe anyone still champions the cause of Nicky Butt. you can see him look round and think that no one is pressing and we are just inviting the pressure back on. you can also watch him look round and see his midfield partners aren't going to move forwrads to support whoever has the ball up front. he knows he hasn't the legs to do it but has to try cos of the crapness of those around him. are you seriously saying alan smith was better than butt tonight and that if anyone was playing a more defensive role who should it have been ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 you'd think with a central midfield of butt and smith the plan woule be for smith to be the one to push on.......wrong. at least 3 times enrique broke down the left. got to 30yds out and held the ball up and alan smith (come on...between him and butt who should push on...he's an ex international forwrad and butt has been anall time defensive midfielder) wouldn't go beyond the centre circle even when he could see the gap,the space and the player needing support. slag off nicky butt all you want. he's better in that position than alan smith. The reason he doesn't go that far forward is because he understands the role of a defensive midfielder. Butt has played in that position all his life and still doesn't understand that you don't press the ball ridiculously high up the pitch as you can have the ball passed around you easy. I can't believe anyone still champions the cause of Nicky Butt. you can see him look round and think that no one is pressing and we are just inviting the pressure back on. you can also watch him look round and see his midfield partners aren't going to move forwrads to support whoever has the ball up front. he knows he hasn't the legs to do it but has to try cos of the crapness of those around him. are you seriously saying alan smith was better than butt tonight and that if anyone was playing a more defensive role who should it have been ? Oh dear. Butt was terrible tonight. Absolutely terrible. The game pretty much passed him by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 you'd think with a central midfield of butt and smith the plan woule be for smith to be the one to push on.......wrong. at least 3 times enrique broke down the left. got to 30yds out and held the ball up and alan smith (come on...between him and butt who should push on...he's an ex international forwrad and butt has been anall time defensive midfielder) wouldn't go beyond the centre circle even when he could see the gap,the space and the player needing support. slag off nicky butt all you want. he's better in that position than alan smith. The reason he doesn't go that far forward is because he understands the role of a defensive midfielder. Butt has played in that position all his life and still doesn't understand that you don't press the ball ridiculously high up the pitch as you can have the ball passed around you easy. I can't believe anyone still champions the cause of Nicky Butt. you can see him look round and think that no one is pressing and we are just inviting the pressure back on. you can also watch him look round and see his midfield partners aren't going to move forwrads to support whoever has the ball up front. he knows he hasn't the legs to do it but has to try cos of the crapness of those around him. are you seriously saying alan smith was better than butt tonight and that if anyone was playing a more defensive role who should it have been ? Oh dear. Butt was terrible tonight. Absolutely terrible. The game pretty much passed him by. you can change butt for smith and the post still works.....why do you reckon butt made the odd move forward. was it tactics or do you think he took repsonsibility as no f***er elde would......or has all season or last season come to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Butt. I now dont need to say anymore, and whenever everything he represents happens, I will simply type 'Butt' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 he was alright tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Is this the same Nicky Butt who chipped Tim Howard from 25 yards in that 3-2 game 2/3 seasons ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 he was alright tonight Butt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 he was alright tonight he wasn't. he was poor. but he was no worse than the rest of the midfield and took more responsibility than the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 he was alright tonight he wasn't. he was poor. but he was no worse than the rest of the midfield and took more responsibility than the rest. The players who took responsibility were Coloccini, Enrique, Nolan and Carroll. Butt was a complete passenger. By the way, it's entirely possible the tactic last night was to use 2 players holding, we've been losing away games lately and leaking goals, you know. It works well if you lots of creativity on the flanks by the wide men and the fullbacks. Obviously we're lacking in those areas other than with Enrique, but if the idea was to keep it tight it's likely both Smith and Butt were holding players, I can see no other reason for selecting Butt ahead of Guthrie in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 he was alright tonight he wasn't. he was poor. but he was no worse than the rest of the midfield and took more responsibility than the rest. The players who took responsibility were Coloccini, Enrique, Nolan and Carroll. Butt was a complete passenger. By the way, it's entirely possible the tactic last night was to use 2 players holding, we've been losing away games lately and leaking goals, you know. It works well if you lots of creativity on the flanks by the wide men and the fullbacks. Obviously we're lacking in those areas other than with Enrique, but if the idea was to keep it tight it's likely both Smith and Butt were holding players, I can see no other reason for selecting Butt ahead of Guthrie in the middle. This is the problem with picking players on seniority first, gameplan second. I would reckon that 95% of the posters here would have known that before kick off yet hughton continues to pick ther names and then hope everything will just work out somehow. The midfield was a shambles, and it wasn't entirely Butt's fault. It should be him or Smith, never the two together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 he was alright tonight he wasn't. he was poor. but he was no worse than the rest of the midfield and took more responsibility than the rest. The players who took responsibility were Coloccini, Enrique, Nolan and Carroll. Butt was a complete passenger. By the way, it's entirely possible the tactic last night was to use 2 players holding, we've been losing away games lately and leaking goals, you know. It works well if you lots of creativity on the flanks by the wide men and the fullbacks. Obviously we're lacking in those areas other than with Enrique, but if the idea was to keep it tight it's likely both Smith and Butt were holding players, I can see no other reason for selecting Butt ahead of Guthrie in the middle. i find it unlikely that we set out with a tactic of no-one getting forward from the middle at all and at under any circumstances. even nolan played further up than he normaslly does when playing with one recognised forward leaving a huge gap in behind which should havemy en filled by one of the other two.....smith in my opinion. edit. i meant more responsibility than the rest of the midfield. i'll not include nolan as he played more up front than midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GAMMELL Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Is this the same Nicky Butt who chipped Tim Howard from 25 yards in that 3-2 game 2/3 seasons ago? Yes, was Le Tiss-esque.... Remember Emre's daisy cutter that day too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Is this the same Nicky Butt who chipped Tim Howard from 25 yards in that 3-2 game 2/3 seasons ago? Aye, but Everton are shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordstrom Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Arguably Butt has improved after returning from injury but sadly that improvement only comes of use in non-league football and coaching. Nice bloke but past it; looking forward to him being taken off the way bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Last night's first half was as bad as I've ever seen him (I've stuck up for him in the past). Horrendous. Improved in the second half, but then so did the team - massively. Have to say it's inviting teams on to us away from home - and inviting trouble - playing him and Smith together. Guthrie's no great shakes, but at least he has the energy to get from box to box if Smith simply sits in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Last night's first half was as bad as I've ever seen him (I've stuck up for him in the past). Horrendous. Improved in the second half, but then so did the team - massively. Have to say it's inviting teams on to us away from home - and inviting trouble - playing him and Smith together. Guthrie's no great shakes, but at least he has the energy to get from box to box if Smith simply sits in. Have to agree with all of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 o rly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Jesus wept! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Can't touch this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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