littlelunchbox Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 There was room for all three IMO. Bellamy wide left of Shearer and Kluivert as a number 10, dropping deep. I would have personally sacrificed Robert as Bellamy could have operated at left wing too. That trio could have scored a few goals. Bellamy creating space and opening up defences, Kluivert with the service, Shearer with the goals. Even though he was past it in an all-round sense, he was still a quite brilliant finisher. I remember Kluivert saying he had never saw anyone as clinical as Shearer in training. Bellamy and Kluivert should have been the way though, with Shearer coming on from the bench. None were long-term solutions though. Bellamy had always been plauged with injuries and attitude problems while Kluivert wasn't getting any younger and his own attitude was questionable too. Shearer was simply heading towards the end of his career. Kluivert was a classic FS deal, big name, big news. I'm sure Sir Bobby would have wanted someone younger, someone for the now and the future. A long-term replacement for Shearer. Yep another fat Fred's marquee name trophy signing, just like Owen. It's like fat Fred and the halls had to constantly convince the fans we were still major players like mufc that's why we payed extortionate wages for these so called big names. It was embarrassing. Kluivert actually did OK for us. Was poorly managed, funnily enough. Yeh poorly managed pie consumption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This was 3 months before his last game for us: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pa/patrick-kluivert-signed-photo--celebrating-a-goal-for-newcastle.jpg Totally out of shape, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This was 3 months before his last game for us: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pa/patrick-kluivert-signed-photo--celebrating-a-goal-for-newcastle.jpg Totally out of shape, like. similar pics of nolan when he was getting slated on here for being fat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This was 3 months before his last game for us: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pa/patrick-kluivert-signed-photo--celebrating-a-goal-for-newcastle.jpg Totally out of shape, like. similar pics of nolan when he was getting slated on here for being fat. Nolan was too big in our colours, like. Didn't help that he was often red faced and out of breath after 20 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This was 3 months before his last game for us: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pa/patrick-kluivert-signed-photo--celebrating-a-goal-for-newcastle.jpg Totally out of shape, like. similar pics of nolan when he was getting slated on here for being fat. Nolan was too big in our colours, like. Didn't help that he was often red faced and out of breath after 20 minutes. Seen him done and dusted within 4 minutes, think it was the Stevenage game where he got hit with the ball (but he was already done before that) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Kluivert always wore a shirt 1 size bigger than he need for us. That either hid his fatness or exacerbated the myth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This was 3 months before his last game for us: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pa/patrick-kluivert-signed-photo--celebrating-a-goal-for-newcastle.jpg Totally out of shape, like. definitely could have been in better shape, but his fitness was the main problem, was terrible much like nolan. http://www.nufcfans.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nufcfans_patrick_kluivert_newcastle_united_striker_racism.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 There was nothing wrong with his fitness or his size. He was passed his best, but still an absolute class act. Criminal he was sacked off so that pretend hardman cunt could 'get a better partner for Alan'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 By that point Shearer only cared about himself. No coincidence that Bobby was sacked 2 days after dropping Shearer in favour of Kluivert and a few weeks after Shearer confronted him after being subbed at Celtic. Bobby suggested to FS that he needed replacing and I don't believe for one second it wouldn't have got back to Shearer in some form. Nor is it a coincidence that Shearer recommended Bobby's replacement to be someone who'd lived next to Shearer during his Blackburn days and tried to sign Shearer that very summer (2004). Shearer was self preserving to the club's detriment. I've seen him score a brace and have a great game but come off with a face like thunder because we've lost. All players and indeed sportsmen, especially the elite, have a selfish streak, they have to, but to say Shearer only cared about himself, howay man. If that was the case he would have left us in 97/98 for Inter, Arsenal, Man Utd or Barcelona who Sir Bobby said all made calls to NUFC to attempt to sign him. People point to him staying to break Wor Jackie's record as being selfish but I think that's bollocks personally. The man wanted to sign off from Newcastle with something meaningful having never won a trophy, that's the depth of his love for Newcastle. Lets not forget he resigned from England for Newcastle and pretty much put his body on the line for the cause constantly. He was a club man, in business talk, a corporate man. Ever loyal to the company, ready to serve. Sure he wanted to be the main man but howay, he had every right given he was the main man most of the time. I used to have a a Shoot magazine, where Shearer, as a Blackburn player in the height of his prime, was asked: "What's your ultimate ambition" And his reply? "To play for Newcastle United" The man as a kid did nowt but live, sleep and eat NUFC 24-7. There is no way a Geordie whose whole ambition as a kid was to play for Newcastle, who even as a well paid top goalscoring striker for a top-flight club, thought about NUFC all the time, would after a decade with his heroes, only care about himself and not NUFC, no way. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of stupidity and perhaps even an agenda. It fucken sickens me how like with KK, some see Shearer as a bad guy yet laud over the likes of fucking Bellamy who isn't and never was nor never will be, fit to lace the man's boots. 206 goals. 10 years service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 passed his best, just like shearer. kluivert needed bellamy's legs. to say kluivert has no fitness problems is like Shearer still had his legs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 By that point Shearer only cared about himself. No coincidence that Bobby was sacked 2 days after dropping Shearer in favour of Kluivert and a few weeks after Shearer confronted him after being subbed at Celtic. Bobby suggested to FS that he needed replacing and I don't believe for one second it wouldn't have got back to Shearer in some form. Nor is it a coincidence that Shearer recommended Bobby's replacement to be someone who'd lived next to Shearer during his Blackburn days and tried to sign Shearer that very summer (2004). Shearer was self preserving to the club's detriment. I've seen him score a brace and have a great game but come off with a face like thunder because we've lost. All players and indeed sportsmen, especially the elite, have a selfish streak, they have to, but to say Shearer only cared about himself, howay man. If that was the case he would have left us in 97/98 for Inter, Arsenal, Man Utd or Barcelona who Sir Bobby said all made calls to NUFC to attempt to sign him. People point to him staying to break Wor Jackie's record as being selfish but I think that's bollocks personally. The man wanted to sign off from Newcastle with something meaningful having never won a trophy, that's the depth of his love for Newcastle. Lets not forget he resigned from England for Newcastle and pretty much put his body on the line for the cause constantly. He was a club man, in business talk, a corporate man. Ever loyal to the company, ready to serve. Sure he wanted to be the main man but howay, he had every right given he was the main man most of the time. I used to have a a Shoot magazine, where Shearer, as a Blackburn player in the height of his prime, was asked: "What's your ultimate ambition" And his reply? "To play for Newcastle United" The man as a kid did nowt but live, sleep and eat NUFC 24-7. There is no way a Geordie whose whole ambition as a kid was to play for Newcastle, who even as a well paid top goalscoring striker for a top-flight club, thought about NUFC all the time, would after a decade with his heroes, only care about himself and not NUFC, no way. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of stupidity and perhaps even an agenda. It fucken sickens me how like with KK, some see Shearer as a bad guy yet laud over the likes of fucking Bellamy who isn't and never was nor never will be, fit to lace the man's boots. 206 goals. 10 years service. Quality. What do you disagree with about my post? He put himself first and you know it. Whether he was entitlted to or not is up for debate, but nobody is disputing that his public image is very well maintained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 We carried shearer in his final few seasons (2 certainly maybe 3) but he carried us for years before that, think we both repaid the favours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Nolan's problem was the tabs and the beer.... I believe he's jacked the tabs in.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 This was 3 months before his last game for us: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/pa/patrick-kluivert-signed-photo--celebrating-a-goal-for-newcastle.jpg Totally out of shape, like. He has a humongous boil on his right hip though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Nolan's problem was the tabs and the beer.... I believe he's jacked the tabs in.... what tabs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 By that point Shearer only cared about himself. No coincidence that Bobby was sacked 2 days after dropping Shearer in favour of Kluivert and a few weeks after Shearer confronted him after being subbed at Celtic. Bobby suggested to FS that he needed replacing and I don't believe for one second it wouldn't have got back to Shearer in some form. Nor is it a coincidence that Shearer recommended Bobby's replacement to be someone who'd lived next to Shearer during his Blackburn days and tried to sign Shearer that very summer (2004). Shearer was self preserving to the club's detriment. I've seen him score a brace and have a great game but come off with a face like thunder because we've lost. All players and indeed sportsmen, especially the elite, have a selfish streak, they have to, but to say Shearer only cared about himself, howay man. If that was the case he would have left us in 97/98 for Inter, Arsenal, Man Utd or Barcelona who Sir Bobby said all made calls to NUFC to attempt to sign him. People point to him staying to break Wor Jackie's record as being selfish but I think that's bollocks personally. The man wanted to sign off from Newcastle with something meaningful having never won a trophy, that's the depth of his love for Newcastle. Lets not forget he resigned from England for Newcastle and pretty much put his body on the line for the cause constantly. He was a club man, in business talk, a corporate man. Ever loyal to the company, ready to serve. Sure he wanted to be the main man but howay, he had every right given he was the main man most of the time. I used to have a a Shoot magazine, where Shearer, as a Blackburn player in the height of his prime, was asked: "What's your ultimate ambition" And his reply? "To play for Newcastle United" The man as a kid did nowt but live, sleep and eat NUFC 24-7. There is no way a Geordie whose whole ambition as a kid was to play for Newcastle, who even as a well paid top goalscoring striker for a top-flight club, thought about NUFC all the time, would after a decade with his heroes, only care about himself and not NUFC, no way. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of stupidity and perhaps even an agenda. It fucken sickens me how like with KK, some see Shearer as a bad guy yet laud over the likes of f***ing Bellamy who isn't and never was nor never will be, fit to lace the man's boots. 206 goals. 10 years service. Quality. What do you disagree with about my post? He put himself first and you know it. Whether he was entitlted to or not is up for debate, but nobody is disputing that his public image is very well maintained. He didn't put himself first man. Not in your warped sense of the notion anyway. If that is the case then everyone puts themselves first. Did he look out for himself? Of fucking course. Did he want the best for himself? Of fucking course but someone truly selfish who only really cares about themselves would never ever put in the level of commitment and performances Shearer did for us, never. He could of extended his playing career by a few years if he waltzed around the pitch in the same manner Kluivert did while with us or several other countless players who have played for us. Shearer's so-called power, influence and dominance is a myth. He was a huge figure but only because a) he was our best player, b) top scorer and c) the fans' idol. In short he was the persona he was allowed/afforded to be. He never overstepped the mark though. Even under Gullit, he never once acted anything other than professional. While the likes of Lee and Ferguson were kicking doors down and kicking off, Shearer, as Gullit commended, gave his all in training and was always polite and professional. The selfish players, those out for themselves, were Bellamy, Robert et al. You clearly have something against Shearer and always have Ronny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Nolan's problem was the tabs and the beer.... I believe he's jacked the tabs in.... what tabs? 20 a day bloke by all accounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 We carried shearer in his final few seasons (2 certainly maybe 3) but he carried us for years before that, think we both repaid the favours. I disagree, I think we were a mess all over that Shearer or no Shearer we would have struggled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 By that point Shearer only cared about himself. No coincidence that Bobby was sacked 2 days after dropping Shearer in favour of Kluivert and a few weeks after Shearer confronted him after being subbed at Celtic. Bobby suggested to FS that he needed replacing and I don't believe for one second it wouldn't have got back to Shearer in some form. Nor is it a coincidence that Shearer recommended Bobby's replacement to be someone who'd lived next to Shearer during his Blackburn days and tried to sign Shearer that very summer (2004). Shearer was self preserving to the club's detriment. I've seen him score a brace and have a great game but come off with a face like thunder because we've lost. All players and indeed sportsmen, especially the elite, have a selfish streak, they have to, but to say Shearer only cared about himself, howay man. If that was the case he would have left us in 97/98 for Inter, Arsenal, Man Utd or Barcelona who Sir Bobby said all made calls to NUFC to attempt to sign him. People point to him staying to break Wor Jackie's record as being selfish but I think that's bollocks personally. The man wanted to sign off from Newcastle with something meaningful having never won a trophy, that's the depth of his love for Newcastle. Lets not forget he resigned from England for Newcastle and pretty much put his body on the line for the cause constantly. He was a club man, in business talk, a corporate man. Ever loyal to the company, ready to serve. Sure he wanted to be the main man but howay, he had every right given he was the main man most of the time. I used to have a a Shoot magazine, where Shearer, as a Blackburn player in the height of his prime, was asked: "What's your ultimate ambition" And his reply? "To play for Newcastle United" The man as a kid did nowt but live, sleep and eat NUFC 24-7. There is no way a Geordie whose whole ambition as a kid was to play for Newcastle, who even as a well paid top goalscoring striker for a top-flight club, thought about NUFC all the time, would after a decade with his heroes, only care about himself and not NUFC, no way. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of stupidity and perhaps even an agenda. It fucken sickens me how like with KK, some see Shearer as a bad guy yet laud over the likes of f***ing Bellamy who isn't and never was nor never will be, fit to lace the man's boots. 206 goals. 10 years service. Quality. What do you disagree with about my post? He put himself first and you know it. Whether he was entitlted to or not is up for debate, but nobody is disputing that his public image is very well maintained. He didn't put himself first man. Not in your warped sense of the notion anyway. If that is the case then everyone puts themselves first. Did he look out for himself? Of fucking course. Did he want the best for himself? Of fucking course but someone truly selfish who only really cares about themselves would never ever put in the level of commitment and performances Shearer did for us, never. He could of extended his playing career by a few years if he waltzed around the pitch in the same manner Kluivert did while with us or several other countless players who have played for us. Shearer's so-called power, influence and dominance is a myth. He was a huge figure but only because a) he was our best player, b) top scorer and c) the fans' idol. In short he was the persona he was allowed/afforded to be. He never overstepped the mark though. Even under Gullit, he never once acted anything other than professional. While the likes of Lee and Ferguson were kicking doors down and kicking off, Shearer, as Gullit commended, gave his all in training and was always polite and professional. The selfish players, those out for themselves, were Bellamy, Robert et al. You clearly have something against Shearer and always have Ronny. Yeah, that he put himself before the club. There's too much evidence against the image of him you're trying to convey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 By that point Shearer only cared about himself. No coincidence that Bobby was sacked 2 days after dropping Shearer in favour of Kluivert and a few weeks after Shearer confronted him after being subbed at Celtic. Bobby suggested to FS that he needed replacing and I don't believe for one second it wouldn't have got back to Shearer in some form. Nor is it a coincidence that Shearer recommended Bobby's replacement to be someone who'd lived next to Shearer during his Blackburn days and tried to sign Shearer that very summer (2004). Shearer was self preserving to the club's detriment. Maybe he believed he actually didn't need to be replaced? Most decisions have at least some selfish aspects to them but I don't think its fair to claim he didn't care about Newcastle. I'm sure if he didn't he would have had a number of options, no doubt lots of clubs would be very interested in a striker who'd just scored 28 goals in 51 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 By that point Shearer only cared about himself. No coincidence that Bobby was sacked 2 days after dropping Shearer in favour of Kluivert and a few weeks after Shearer confronted him after being subbed at Celtic. Bobby suggested to FS that he needed replacing and I don't believe for one second it wouldn't have got back to Shearer in some form. Nor is it a coincidence that Shearer recommended Bobby's replacement to be someone who'd lived next to Shearer during his Blackburn days and tried to sign Shearer that very summer (2004). Shearer was self preserving to the club's detriment. Maybe he believed he actually didn't need to be replaced? Most decisions have at least some selfish aspects to them but I don't think its fair to claim he didn't care about Newcastle. I'm sure if he didn't he would have had a number of options, no doubt lots of clubs would be very interested in a striker who'd just scored 28 goals in 51 games. Believing it is fine. Just a shame he felt the need to cement his place by helping to get rid of Bobby and bring in the worst manager we'll (hopefully) ever see at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Bellamy put himself before the club too. Refusing to play on the wing and threatening to leave the club if we signed Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Bellamy put himself before the club too. Refusing to play on the wing and threatening to leave the club if we signed Rooney. He did play on the wing, though. I wholeheartedly believe that Souness was trying to force him out from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I wholeheartedly believe that Souness was trying to force him out from the start. Was clear as mud. That time he took him off v Charlton when he was having a blinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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