Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Give owa man he's a footballer not a monk Nah, I've got no problem at all with footballers going out on a weekend until 4am but it's hardly a professional attitude is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=300247.0 That Lucas? That one, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Really don't understand why people have found this so funny / are glad one of our players got hurt. Fully agree he's not a great fullback but he has always been a good pro, and genuinely seems to love the club. He got goaded while drunk and swung for someone, the majority of us would do that in the same situation, I know I probably would. But it's ok to laugh at Danny Simpson because he's not one of our better players. The reaction would be completely different if it was Santon who was in this situation. Pathetic reaction by our fans. Generally I agree, but I have to add that "a good pro" isn't out at 4am completely shitfaced-drunk in a different fucking city. I'm sorry like, but it's his time off. If it was before a game it wouldn't be on at all, but it's not. It's part of our culture for better (but mainly) or worse. The majority of footballers go out and get pissed, just like the majority of people do. It's not his time off if he was supposed to be in training on Monday. Thought he had a broken toe? EDIT: Guess he shouldn't have been out then regardless College Dropout I'm sorry but that's just libel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 You read that first post bud? It was dated in Nov 2012, so its a piece written with the ability to reflect on what happened before. And I know you are well versed in football, so you'll also know Lucas had a blinder last season before he had that nasty injury. "The Brazilian General. The boy from Gremio who caught the torrent of abuse from rooftops and terraces, chewed them up and spat them back like a curve ball of fire, shot from a golden arrow. The man who wouldn't take no for answer, when every armchair football fan up and down the country rendered him 'useless', and one of the worst players to don the famous red jersey. The abuse was deafening. A 21 year old, in a new country, fighting to make a name for himself. He tried desperately to force his way in to a midfield containing a trio of architects at the pinnacle of their careers. " RAWK and nearly every Liverpool supporter I've known (if the ones on here want to correct me please go ahead, and I'll accept that) gave this young lad a fucking awful time, didn't back him 1 bit. He had to work for it, like many players that were slagged on these boards (Colo?) until they earned their keep. I know what you are trying to say, but bad example man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The primary duty of a fullback in a back 4 is to defend. Half his role? Never. To suggest otherwise is stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Always go the impression they thought he was learning on the job. Do you have any links where they're all having a go at him and calling him shit? Common view on RAWK with Henderson was that they overpaid but he was young and learning under SDtevie G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The primary duty of a fullback in a back 4 is to defend. Half his role? Never. To suggest otherwise is stupid. It's 2013, we're not in the 80s anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The primary duty of a fullback in a back 4 is to defend. Half his role? Never. To suggest otherwise is stupid. Regardless of the setup in front of him I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The primary duty of a fullback in a back 4 is to defend. Half his role? Never. To suggest otherwise is stupid. It's not stupid though is it, a top full back is expected to contribute both defensively and offensively You simply can't ignore how rubbish Simpson is going forward, it massively impacted on our team play going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 You can't ignore that Simpson was completely unable to play any sort of possession football if a modicum of pressure was applied on him by the opposition. Dallying, chipped balls to nobody and back passes are his forte. He choked the life out of many passing moves. Debuchy plays like a proper footballer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The primary duty of a fullback in a back 4 is to defend. Half his role? Never. To suggest otherwise is stupid. Not anymore, most fullbacks spend more time in the opposition half than defending. If you watch all the top teams most fullbacks act as wingers with the DM dropping back to protect the two CBs. Considering most teams play with 1 striker anyway you don't need to have 4 defenders back keeping it tight. All players like Simpson these days do is restrict you as a possession and attacking force. For example: http://i12.servimg.com/u/f12/16/55/20/10/madrid10.png Avg position map from Real Madrid vs Barcelona look how high the fullbacks are and they are many more examples of this the likes of Simpson are a dying breed at the top level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 He's not a top fullback. It doesn't make him a terrible fullback deserving of some of the crap he receives. Arbeloa in comparison to his team mates at club & international level is very poor going forward. Doesn't make him shit (for that level), he can defend. Being poor attacking wise for a fullback is no reason for the constant BS on here. We lose 6-3 and people are angry because Simpson cannot attack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I don't even think it's Simpson's 'attacking' that's the problem... it's just how unequipped and uncomfortable he looks when doing anything with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I don't even think it's Simpson's 'attacking' that's the problem... it's just how unequipped and uncomfortable he looks when doing anything with the ball. When he had a go at Tiote for passing to him against Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Arbeloa has been garbage in both boxes this season tbf anyway i agree he's not terrible was just pointing out that more often than not most teams are going with fullbacks who can effect the game going forward rather than fullbacks who just defend. I also agree he isn't deserve some of the crap he deserves but meh whats done is done, his career will go on and we will go on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The primary duty of a fullback in a back 4 is to defend. Half his role? Never. To suggest otherwise is stupid. Not anymore, most fullbacks spend more time in the opposition half than defending. If you watch all the top teams most fullbacks act as wingers with the DM dropping back to protect the two CBs. Considering most teams play with 1 striker anyway you don't need to have 4 defenders back keeping it tight. All players like Simpson these days do is restrict you as a possession and attacking force. For example: http://i12.servimg.com/u/f12/16/55/20/10/madrid10.png Avg position map from Real Madrid vs Barcelona look how high the fullbacks are and they are many more examples of this the likes of Simpson are a dying breed at the top level. 1. My main point is regarding the OTT criticism he faces. You would think he was a shambles reading this thread. I'm happy he's been replaced in XI but he's not a bad player at all. We are going to have players of his quality in our squad. 95% of teams have their limited men, who do the basics. 2. He does not play for Real Madrid or Barcelona. 3. 1 fullback for each side tends to "stay at home" far more because the opposite winger is you know, an attacker. All 4 fullbacks spend most of their time in their half. 4. We are not at the top level or 1 first team player away. RM's LW scores 40 goals a year, I suppose HBA needs to find his shooting boots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Arbeloa has been garbage in both boxes this season tbf anyway i agree he's not terrible was just pointing out that more often than not most teams are going with fullbacks who can effect the game going forward rather than fullbacks who just defend. I also agree he isn't deserve some of the crap he deserves but meh whats done is done, his career will go on and we will go on. We won't get far if we keep doing this to limited players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Simpson is probably as good as we could get for a reserve RB, unless we unearth a brilliant youngster who doesn't care if he plays or not. When he was first choice it was a nightmare, but having him in the squad is acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Arbeloa has been garbage in both boxes this season tbf anyway i agree he's not terrible was just pointing out that more often than not most teams are going with fullbacks who can effect the game going forward rather than fullbacks who just defend. I also agree he isn't deserve some of the crap he deserves but meh whats done is done, his career will go on and we will go on. We won't get far if we keep doing this to limited players. While i agree, he's out of contract in the summer and we seem to have a decent number of fullbacks now and Santon can play both sides. In this instance i'm quite comfortable with the fullback situation going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I don't even think it's Simpson's 'attacking' that's the problem... it's just how unequipped and uncomfortable he looks when doing anything with the ball. I was just about to type out the same argument. Good job I refreshed because you've done it perfect justice in one line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Still think Simpson only just scrapes into status as a Premier League footballer. That's the level of club he'll end up at, a club packed with players on the border between Championship/Premier League quality. In terms of ability in possession of the ball and in terms of distribution I struggle to think of a worse player in the top flight. He may not directly cost us goals (depends what defines this, I think the sudden idea he doesn't make defensive errors is a bit of a new one), but his entire style of play will forever limit a team. His arrogance of his own ability is the thing that riles me up the most though. The comments on Twitter about him being better than Rafael, and Dzeko being 'pony' - both players that are infinitely more talented than him and will achieve a hell of a lot more in the game. That kind of stuff coupled with his unnerving ability to pass the blame onto others on the pitch iritate me more than his own limitations. He's served a purpose but I'll be happy to see walk away at the end of the season rather than secure him on the 'purple player' status/wages he desires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 It says everything that he's 26, English, and valued at around 500k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Still think Simpson only just scrapes into status as a Premier League footballer. That's the level of club he'll end up at, a club packed with players on the border between Championship/Premier League quality. In terms of ability in possession of the ball and in terms of distribution I struggle to think of a worse player in the top flight. He may not directly cost us goals (depends what defines this, I think the sudden idea he doesn't make defensive errors is a bit of a new one), but his entire style of play will forever limit a team. His arrogance of his own ability is the thing that riles me up the most though. The comments on Twitter about him being better than Rafael, and Dzeko being 'pony' - both players that are infinitely more talented than him and will achieve a hell of a lot more in the game. That kind of stuff coupled with his unnerving ability to pass the blame onto others on the pitch iritate me more than his own limitations. He's served a purpose but I'll be happy to see walk away at the end of the season rather than secure him on the 'purple player' status/wages he desires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Btw, isn't he balls defensively? Never seen him put in a tackle or block since he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 that's a bit unfair, i'd say he's a decent tackler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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