Portsmouth FC in yet more trouble - administration again?

[Guest VegasToon]

Kevin Prince-Boetang please! 

[Belfast Boy]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

[PRL]

This is getting so fucking dodgy. Now those tossers at West Ham are offering to lend them £10m as they don't want to lose the 4 points they would lose should Pompey go out of business.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to fuck off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

[Guest neesy111]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to fuck off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

[Crumpy Gunt]

Only way it could happen is if a bought player is loaned back to pompey til the end of the season. Which in view of wages paid out makes it look a pointless exercize.

 

It wont be allowed to happen.

[Thespence]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to f*** off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

 

How would it be illegal?  The current transfer window gig was agreed after Bosman & was signed up by FIFA, UEFA & EU.

[midds]

They're basically relying on the goodwill of the rest of the PL and the FA just to complete this season. I still think they'll survive the season somehow but they'll go under once they go down. The only way they'll start next season is if they sell all of their players, reduce the wage bill by something stupid like 90% and play kids for the foreseeable.

[Guest neesy111]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to f*** off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

 

How would it be illegal?  The current transfer window gig was agreed after Bosman & was signed up by FIFA, UEFA & EU.

 

no the bosman ruling happned 15 years ago, the transfer window is only 8 years old.

 

because portsmouth are a business, businesses are allowed to sell their asset's if their is a requirement to do so

[midds]

If they are allowed to sell players outside of the window (which I've got my doubts about letting them do it) surely the players they do sell won't be eligible to play for their new team this season?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not sure how the idea of selling assets would square with the transfer window regulation.

 

I doubt the right to sell assets is absolute and overrides any other rules... will be interesting to see how it's worked out.

[Guest neesy111]

Not sure how the idea of selling assets would square with the transfer window regulation.

 

I doubt the right to sell assets is absolute and overrides any other rules... will be interesting to see how it's worked out.

 

it has to, because the most important aspect in everything is that the football club square's their debt's so they can exist

[Guest neesy111]

If they are allowed to sell players outside of the window (which I've got my doubts about letting them do it) surely the players they do sell won't be eligible to play for their new team this season?

 

they will be, remember we signed ambrose from ipswich in the middle of march to help ipswich with their financial problems

[Guest neesy111]

also, in court of law, players could argue the fact the transfer window is a breach on free-movement, which is law in the EU

 

the transfer window won't last another 2 seasons imo, it's a complete joke managers and players both hate it

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not sure how the idea of selling assets would square with the transfer window regulation.

 

I doubt the right to sell assets is absolute and overrides any other rules... will be interesting to see how it's worked out.

 

it has to, because the most important aspect in everything is that the football club square's their debt's so they can exist

 

You might well be right. But the clubs know that the transfer window is in place, and they should sell players during it if they need to sell them.

 

Pompey have probably known it might come to this for at least 2 or 3 windows, plenty of time to sell players if they needed to.

[Guest neesy111]

Not sure how the idea of selling assets would square with the transfer window regulation.

 

I doubt the right to sell assets is absolute and overrides any other rules... will be interesting to see how it's worked out.

 

it has to, because the most important aspect in everything is that the football club square's their debt's so they can exist

 

You might well be right. But the clubs know that the transfer window is in place, and they should sell players during it if they need to sell them.

 

Pompey have probably known it might come to this for at least 2 or 3 windows, plenty of time to sell players if they needed to.

 

thing is though, a club might face a cash flow crisis for when sponsorship money doesn't come in and have to sell players, that isn't their fault

 

pompey should of sold players, but they should be allowed to operate as a business as well, and that mean's selling asset's by any means neccessary to reduce costs and also pay the taxman

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I basically agree, common sense seems to say they should be allowed.

 

Just quite a new situation - it's one thing saying Pompey are allowed to sell, but what about other clubs suddenly being allowed to buy? That's a whole new set of exceptions to the window.

 

And what about the rivals of clubs who snap up Pompey players mid-season at bargain prices? Can't see a club being happy if they go down because a close rival buys two or three Pompey players who end up keeping them up.

[Guest Brazilianbob]

Pompey should not be allowed to go to the wall and they should be allowed to sell their players in order to avoid that scenario.  I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone could object to this.  Its not as if they will be allowed to bring players in. 

[nobby_solano]

if we didn't have stupid bastard transfer windows they'd be able to sell players, and we'd have not had (as many and as much) daft inflated transfer fees over the last few seasons

[Thespence]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to f*** off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

 

How would it be illegal?  The current transfer window gig was agreed after Bosman & was signed up by FIFA, UEFA & EU.

 

no the bosman ruling happned 15 years ago, the transfer window is only 8 years old.

because portsmouth are a business, businesses are allowed to sell their asset's if their is a requirement to do so

 

Oh dear, I did say "after Bosman" because the transfer window is widely accepted by most as being something that happened because of the Bosman case because that is when  the EU started looking at the LEGALITY of the transfer system, which resulted in FIFA, UEFA & the EU legally agreeing to this system.

 

In 2000, the European Commission announced that it was taking action against the football authorities because the current international transfer system breaches the right to freedom of movement between E.U. states under the Treaty of Amsterdam, even for players who are still under contract. They argued that footballers who wished to unilaterally break their contract of employment should be able to leave with a term of notice, as employees in other sectors can do, with only a relatively small amount of compensation being paid in return.

 

This action led to a compromise being reached between the football authorities and the Commission which was ratified by FIFA's executive in summer 2001. The new transfer regulations apply to every player who signed a contract after 1st September 2001 and is involved in an international transfer and state that unless all parties agree to the payment of a fee, no transfer fee is payable. The regulations are as follows (and are reproduced in more detail on www.FIFA.com):

1: Training Compensation for Players under 23 to replace transfer fees

2: Protection of contracts for the first 2-3 years by - a sporting sanction of a four month suspension for a player who unilaterally breaches their contract within this period - compensation reflecting the wages and period left on the contract of the player in accordance with national law

3: Movement for players only in 2 transfer "windows" a season

4: The creation of an independent and objective disciplinary and arbitration system to deal with contractual disputes and compensation.

 

[Guest neesy111]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to f*** off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

 

How would it be illegal?  The current transfer window gig was agreed after Bosman & was signed up by FIFA, UEFA & EU.

 

no the bosman ruling happned 15 years ago, the transfer window is only 8 years old.

because portsmouth are a business, businesses are allowed to sell their asset's if their is a requirement to do so

 

Oh dear, I did say "after Bosman" because the transfer window is widely accepted by most as being something that happened because of the Bosman case because that is when  the EU started looking at the LEGALITY of the transfer system, which resulted in FIFA, UEFA & the EU legally agreeing to this system.

 

In 2000, the European Commission announced that it was taking action against the football authorities because the current international transfer system breaches the right to freedom of movement between E.U. states under the Treaty of Amsterdam, even for players who are still under contract. They argued that footballers who wished to unilaterally break their contract of employment should be able to leave with a term of notice, as employees in other sectors can do, with only a relatively small amount of compensation being paid in return.

 

This action led to a compromise being reached between the football authorities and the Commission which was ratified by FIFA's executive in summer 2001. The new transfer regulations apply to every player who signed a contract after 1st September 2001 and is involved in an international transfer and state that unless all parties agree to the payment of a fee, no transfer fee is payable. The regulations are as follows (and are reproduced in more detail on www.FIFA.com):

1: Training Compensation for Players under 23 to replace transfer fees

2: Protection of contracts for the first 2-3 years by - a sporting sanction of a four month suspension for a player who unilaterally breaches their contract within this period - compensation reflecting the wages and period left on the contract of the player in accordance with national law

3: Movement for players only in 2 transfer "windows" a season

4: The creation of an independent and objective disciplinary and arbitration system to deal with contractual disputes and compensation.

 

 

no you said they happened at the sametime, they didn't

[Colos Short and Curlies]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to f*** off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

 

How would it be illegal?  The current transfer window gig was agreed after Bosman & was signed up by FIFA, UEFA & EU.

 

no the bosman ruling happned 15 years ago, the transfer window is only 8 years old.

because portsmouth are a business, businesses are allowed to sell their asset's if their is a requirement to do so

 

Oh dear, I did say "after Bosman" because the transfer window is widely accepted by most as being something that happened because of the Bosman case because that is when  the EU started looking at the LEGALITY of the transfer system, which resulted in FIFA, UEFA & the EU legally agreeing to this system.

 

In 2000, the European Commission announced that it was taking action against the football authorities because the current international transfer system breaches the right to freedom of movement between E.U. states under the Treaty of Amsterdam, even for players who are still under contract. They argued that footballers who wished to unilaterally break their contract of employment should be able to leave with a term of notice, as employees in other sectors can do, with only a relatively small amount of compensation being paid in return.

 

This action led to a compromise being reached between the football authorities and the Commission which was ratified by FIFA's executive in summer 2001. The new transfer regulations apply to every player who signed a contract after 1st September 2001 and is involved in an international transfer and state that unless all parties agree to the payment of a fee, no transfer fee is payable. The regulations are as follows (and are reproduced in more detail on www.FIFA.com):

1: Training Compensation for Players under 23 to replace transfer fees

2: Protection of contracts for the first 2-3 years by - a sporting sanction of a four month suspension for a player who unilaterally breaches their contract within this period - compensation reflecting the wages and period left on the contract of the player in accordance with national law

3: Movement for players only in 2 transfer "windows" a season

4: The creation of an independent and objective disciplinary and arbitration system to deal with contractual disputes and compensation.

 

 

no you said they happened at the sametime, they didn't

 

He quite clearly says after

[ikri]

I'm pretty sure the courts are less concerned about their ability to pay their outstanding tax debts now, they're more concerned that the club is trading insolvent.

 

If the court believes that their assets are less than their liabilities then simply selling some of those assets (at a knock down price) isn't going to help them at all, in fact it'll hurt them more than if they kept the players. 

 

I don't believe that selling the players is anything more than an attempt by the current owner to recoup as much money as possible before winding up the club (or potentially they need the cash to pay wages this month in which case they're utterly fucked).

 

They could have avoided all of this by going into administration before Christmas, sure they'd have lost 9 points and most of their players but since that's the best that's going to happen to them anyway what have they achieved by not doing so?

[Guest neesy111]

According to the papers this morning they can invoke a 'crisis club' claus to allow them to sell outside the transfer window but it will cost them a 9 point reduction.

 

They should tell them to f*** off tbh.  The transfer window has only just closed.  Whatever problems they have servicing their debts now will have existed 3 weeks ago when the window was still open.

 

nah, that would be illegal, as any business should be allowed to sell their asset's to keep themselves afloat tbh

 

How would it be illegal?  The current transfer window gig was agreed after Bosman & was signed up by FIFA, UEFA & EU.

 

no the bosman ruling happned 15 years ago, the transfer window is only 8 years old.

because portsmouth are a business, businesses are allowed to sell their asset's if their is a requirement to do so

 

Oh dear, I did say "after Bosman" because the transfer window is widely accepted by most as being something that happened because of the Bosman case because that is when  the EU started looking at the LEGALITY of the transfer system, which resulted in FIFA, UEFA & the EU legally agreeing to this system.

 

In 2000, the European Commission announced that it was taking action against the football authorities because the current international transfer system breaches the right to freedom of movement between E.U. states under the Treaty of Amsterdam, even for players who are still under contract. They argued that footballers who wished to unilaterally break their contract of employment should be able to leave with a term of notice, as employees in other sectors can do, with only a relatively small amount of compensation being paid in return.

 

This action led to a compromise being reached between the football authorities and the Commission which was ratified by FIFA's executive in summer 2001. The new transfer regulations apply to every player who signed a contract after 1st September 2001 and is involved in an international transfer and state that unless all parties agree to the payment of a fee, no transfer fee is payable. The regulations are as follows (and are reproduced in more detail on www.FIFA.com):

1: Training Compensation for Players under 23 to replace transfer fees

2: Protection of contracts for the first 2-3 years by - a sporting sanction of a four month suspension for a player who unilaterally breaches their contract within this period - compensation reflecting the wages and period left on the contract of the player in accordance with national law

3: Movement for players only in 2 transfer "windows" a season

4: The creation of an independent and objective disciplinary and arbitration system to deal with contractual disputes and compensation.

 

 

no you said they happened at the sametime, they didn't

 

He quite clearly says after

 

yes he did but he said after bosman and EU, the bosman ruling and the transfer window being changed we're two seperate events with a timespan of 7 years, so they clearly didn't happen at the sametime

[Nobody]

Pompey should not be allowed to go to the wall and they should be allowed to sell their players in order to avoid that scenario. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone could object to this. Its not as if they will be allowed to bring players in.

It's not as if they didn't know about this in January, they should have sold their assets back then when they had the chance. It's not even a month since the window closed, and this thread was made in late December, they had plenty of time to sell their assets and just like anyone else they should be forced to act within the laws of the game.