The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Disco]

I shudder to think which pudding we'll end up with should Hughton unrightfully get the boot.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Shola has to play full-stop.

 

Never thought I'd hear this in my lifetime

 

What position is the full-stop?

[Guest spike]

The home form has got me scared shitless.

 

With the players we've got, there's no wonder we're better away from home. Pack the midfield with a bunch of terriers, stifle the opposition, pop up with a fleeting attack. We're not blessed with great footballers in the middle of the park, but there's bags of stamina there - and that suits the away game. Fortunately, we've been taking our chances away from SJP n'all - which is a nice change. That could change any minute, given our lack of firepower, but we're doing okay so far. Bollocks refereeing aside, it was only a touch of genuine quality that saw us get beat at Man City... that'll just happen at them places. We played well as a team and it'll probably continue if we play the same system.

 

It's just another kettle of fish at home, though - the system just won't work. It's not a set-up that'll probe and press in this league - we don't have anything like the flair or attacking prowess. Hughton's made some gash decisions with regards to substitutions... but simply being a well-drilled bunch of battlers (can't knock anyone's attitude) isn't enough to take teams apart on our own turf. Revert to 4-4-2, absolutely, but then you're left with limited players to fill the void - ie Lovenkrands.

 

The quality in the squad, from an attacking point of view, is rubbish - and that's why we're not winning games at home. Hughton's mad bad decisions here and there, but it's merely emphasised by the fact he's got s***-all to work with. If we go down, it'll be primarily down to Mike Ashley and Nigel De Jong, not Hughton. The last thing i would do is sack the guy. Last thing.

 

It is NOT the last thing anyone should do to sack the manager...where do you think NUFC would have finished up in 1992 if they had continued with Ardiles instead of bringing KK in ? They would have ended up

in Div 3. that's where..we CANNOT afford relegation again.

There is no purpose in firing the manager if you can't get someone better - but if you can, then you should - not only that, but as a director/owner, it is your DUTY to do just that.

 

You are living in fantasy land - if Hughton cannot be replaced by a better manager, then he should stay ; if he gets the club relegated, then we might all as well go home because the message is that nobody better will take on the job. That also applies if Ashley intends to stay as owner and not invest, even if a new guy was appointed. Yes, Hughton has had his hands tied on transfers but those were the terms on which he accepted the job ; failure to win crucial home games against potential fellow strugglers will get him the sack...end of story.

 

is sacking a manager a handful of games into the season bad timing though

 

If you're top of the league and playing well, yes. If you're bottom of the league and playing s***, no.

we're somewhere in the middle at the moment

 

changes of manager should be made in the summer though, to give him plenty of time to plan the way ahead.

 

 

[geordie_b]

Shola has to play full-stop.

 

Never thought I'd hear this in my lifetime

 

What position is the full-stop?

 

Its like a backstop in rounders, he stands behind the goal and gets it when it goes out

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Shola has to play full-stop.

 

Never thought I'd hear this in my lifetime

 

What position is the full-stop?

 

Its like a backstop in rounders, he stands behind the goal and gets it when it goes out

 

Aw, he'll be mint at that - GET IN SHOLA!

[Yorkie]

Shola has to play full-stop.

 

Never thought I'd hear this in my lifetime

 

Harsh but true. We're not going to create many chances at home, and those that we do create - they're going to need to be finished. Shola's the best man for the job. His substitution at the weekend was impeccable timing; something that seems to have been ignored in the aftermath of the result...

[BottledDog]

Half the reason we went down was the sodding managerial merry go round. It would have to be a hell of a reason to dismiss Hughton and go through that again.

 

If the players stopped trying and started engineering moves away then I'll start worrying, but until that unlikely scenario happens, and I can't believe it needs saying, we really need to get a grip and stick with a manager for once.

 

During this very tough time (most of which has been due to factors well out of his control) he has my full and absolute support.

[Yorkie]

Agreed. It's imperative that the club stick with him, unless we really are in absolute dire straits. The squad is that of relegation candidates... i know i said it earlier, but we have to accept that Hughton's a rookie doing a decent job - he is going to make mistakes. Those mistakes are amplified by the fact he wasn't allowed to strengthen significantly.

[Parky]

Agreed. It's imperative that the club stick with him, unless we really are in absolute dire straits. The squad is that of relegation candidates... i know i said it earlier, but we have to accept that Hughton's a rookie doing a decent job - he is going to make mistakes. Those mistakes are amplified by the fact he wasn't allowed to strengthen significantly.

 

There's no getting away from the fact that he is doing a decent job, but survival may require other things going our way.

[cubaricho]

Half the reason we went down was the sodding managerial merry go round. It would have to be a hell of a reason to dismiss Hughton and go through that again.

 

If the players stopped trying and started engineering moves away then I'll start worrying, but until that unlikely scenario happens, and I can't believe it needs saying, we really need to get a grip and stick with a manager for once.

 

During this very tough time (most of which has been due to factors well out of his control) he has my full and absolute support.

 

This.

[JH]

The home form has got me scared shitless.

 

With the players we've got, there's no wonder we're better away from home. Pack the midfield with a bunch of terriers, stifle the opposition, pop up with a fleeting attack. We're not blessed with great footballers in the middle of the park, but there's bags of stamina there - and that suits the away game. Fortunately, we've been taking our chances away from SJP n'all - which is a nice change. That could change any minute, given our lack of firepower, but we're doing okay so far. Bollocks refereeing aside, it was only a touch of genuine quality that saw us get beat at Man City... that'll just happen at them places. We played well as a team and it'll probably continue if we play the same system.

 

It's just another kettle of fish at home, though - the system just won't work. It's not a set-up that'll probe and press in this league - we don't have anything like the flair or attacking prowess. Hughton's made some gash decisions with regards to substitutions... but simply being a well-drilled bunch of battlers (can't knock anyone's attitude) isn't enough to take teams apart on our own turf. Revert to 4-4-2, absolutely, but then you're left with limited players to fill the void - ie Lovenkrands.

 

The quality in the squad, from an attacking point of view, is rubbish - and that's why we're not winning games at home. Hughton's mad bad decisions here and there, but it's merely emphasised by the fact he's got s***-all to work with. If we go down, it'll be primarily down to Mike Ashley and Nigel De Jong, not Hughton. The last thing i would do is sack the guy. Last thing.

 

Whilst I agree with parts of what you're saying, that's absolute madness.

 

If Hughton gets the praise when the team does well, people need to understand that he'll get criticism when they do badly - especially when the reason we failed to beat Stoke and Wigan were because of mistakes on the coaching team's part.

[Yorkie]

If Hughton had been given money to spend, the mistakes he makes wouldn't be as critical.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

If Hughton had been given money to spend, the mistakes he makes wouldn't be as critical.

 

How much money do you think the club have to give? What would you consider reasonable? We spent more than anyone could have imagined in the Summer.

[Ronaldo]

More than anyone could have imagined? We spent about £4.5m, man.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

More than anyone could have imagined? We spent about £4.5m, man.

 

£4.5m more than anyone imagined... man. Christ, it was only 3 months ago that people were saying they were very happy with the signings, if not surprised we had money to spend.

[JH]

If Hughton wasn't happy with the amount given and the signings he made, he would have walked away.

 

He's still here which tells me he's happy with the team and thinks it is strong enough - therefore he's responsible for them.

[Ronaldo]

It doesn't work like that. He can't afford to walk from the job.

[Guest neesy111]

The fact is, we have 2 real options for surviving if things go tit's up before January it's Spend in January or change manager.  The fact is we need to give ourself a fighting chance of staying up before it's too late.  Hence why I say the next 2 weeks are the most important in Hughton's managerial career and that of our own season.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

The fact is, we have 2 real options for surviving if things go tit's up before January it's Spend in January or change manager.  The fact is we need to give ourself a fighting chance of staying up before it's too late.  Hence why I say the next 2 weeks are the most important in Hughton's managerial career and that of our own season.

 

Aww, ho'way, its crap like this that give the paper's what little energy they need to sprout on about us being a bunch of mongs. Just have faith and believe, we're questioning Hughton after the papers started all (off the back of two or three mongs at SJP chanting for him to be sacked).

 

Chris Hughton is doing a good job, he has his faults, as any manager does, but he's no worse than what will come in if sacked.

[Guest neesy111]

The fact is, we have 2 real options for surviving if things go tit's up before January it's Spend in January or change manager.  The fact is we need to give ourself a fighting chance of staying up before it's too late.  Hence why I say the next 2 weeks are the most important in Hughton's managerial career and that of our own season.

 

Aww, ho'way, its crap like this that give the paper's what little energy they need to sprout on about us being a bunch of mongs. Just have faith and believe, we're questioning Hughton after the papers started all (off the back of two or three mongs at SJP chanting for him to be sacked).

 

Chris Hughton is doing a good job, he has his faults, as any manager does, but he's no worse than what will come in if sacked.

 

I think you'll find most football fan's to be like that.  So how about if were bottom at Xmas, do we still give him another 3 months to sort it out then?

[Liam Liam Liam O]

The home form has got me scared shitless.

 

With the players we've got, there's no wonder we're better away from home. Pack the midfield with a bunch of terriers, stifle the opposition, pop up with a fleeting attack. We're not blessed with great footballers in the middle of the park, but there's bags of stamina there - and that suits the away game. Fortunately, we've been taking our chances away from SJP n'all - which is a nice change. That could change any minute, given our lack of firepower, but we're doing okay so far. Bollocks refereeing aside, it was only a touch of genuine quality that saw us get beat at Man City... that'll just happen at them places. We played well as a team and it'll probably continue if we play the same system.

 

It's just another kettle of fish at home, though - the system just won't work. It's not a set-up that'll probe and press in this league - we don't have anything like the flair or attacking prowess. Hughton's made some gash decisions with regards to substitutions... but simply being a well-drilled bunch of battlers (can't knock anyone's attitude) isn't enough to take teams apart on our own turf. Revert to 4-4-2, absolutely, but then you're left with limited players to fill the void - ie Lovenkrands.

 

The quality in the squad, from an attacking point of view, is rubbish - and that's why we're not winning games at home. Hughton's mad bad decisions here and there, but it's merely emphasised by the fact he's got s***-all to work with. If we go down, it'll be primarily down to Mike Ashley and Nigel De Jong, not Hughton. The last thing i would do is sack the guy. Last thing.

 

Whilst I agree with parts of what you're saying, that's absolute madness.

 

If Hughton gets the praise when the team does well, people need to understand that he'll get criticism when they do badly - especially when the reason we failed to beat Stoke and Wigan were because of mistakes on the coaching team's part.

 

Spot on Jonny.  Seems it doesn't work like that though.

[Guest BooBoo]

Hughton should just combine Shola and Carroll at home and hope the physical presence they offer can unsettle sides. In this league we don't really have the quality to play any other way.

[Dave]

You can't possibly say it was his mistakes alone. The players aren't robots.

[JH]

The fact is, we have 2 real options for surviving if things go tit's up before January it's Spend in January or change manager.  The fact is we need to give ourself a fighting chance of staying up before it's too late.  Hence why I say the next 2 weeks are the most important in Hughton's managerial career and that of our own season.

 

Aww, ho'way, its crap like this that give the paper's what little energy they need to sprout on about us being a bunch of mongs. Just have faith and believe, we're questioning Hughton after the papers started all (off the back of two or three mongs at SJP chanting for him to be sacked).

 

Chris Hughton is doing a good job, he has his faults, as any manager does, but he's no worse than what will come in if sacked.

 

People are questioning Hughton after one win in the last six games - not saying we should be talking about him being sacked, but it's not as if we're having a fantastic start to the season.

[STM]

You can't possibly say it was his mistakes alone. The players aren't robots.