The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Foluwashola]

Is the football now any worse than the football we rebelled against under Big Fat Sam? At times I fail to see the difference - same static, long all unflowing crap we had under Big Sam. Though its more acceptable now considering where we are and what has happened - been a LONG time since we had any real decent football at SJP.

 

Expectations were a lot higher back then. Big Sam was able to spend over £15 mil to try and create a decent footballing side.

 

The football we are playing at the minute is slightly easier on the eye imo. Would imagine our possession stats are markedly better then they would have been then, could be wrong like.

[Ronaldo]

Routledge will come back. He needs to focus on working the channels more as opposed to hugging the touchline. Usually there's nobody waiting for that cross so he hesitates and gives himself an extra man to beat. Thought he was very good against Wolves and Everton.

[ChrisMcQuillan]

Yeah, cause dropping him on Saturday worked wonders...

 

Aye, and we were s*** once he came on.

 

Yep, just scored two goals.

[Guest BooBoo]

I think he did okay at Everton, didn't see the Wolves game but he just seems to have no confidence taking players on at this level.

[Guest BooBoo]

I'm not witch hunting here but Routledge had no influence on either of our goals that I can recall. He didn't change the game, Shola did. That and Wigan settling for what they had to their ultimate cost.

[Mick]

Routledge has been awful all year, quite rightly dropped on Saturday but should have been for Taylor and not Guthrie.

 

Routledge has offered width which spreads the game right across the pitch, and while he blows hot and cold he's a lot better than Ryan Taylor.  Routledge produced 7 assists for us last season and that is more than Ryan Taylor has ever produced in any full season.

[Mick]

I'm not witch hunting here but Routledge had no influence on either of our goals that I can recall. He didn't change the game, Shola did. That and Wigan settling for what they had to their ultimate cost.

 

Routledge had an influence in as much as we started using the right as an outlet and as a means of stretching the game over the full width of the pitch instead of us using two thirds of it.

[80]

If Hughton gets the praise when the team does well, people need to understand that he'll get criticism when they do badly - especially when the reason we failed to beat Stoke and Wigan were because of mistakes on the coaching team's part.

 

Spot on Jonny.  Seems it doesn't work like that though.

 

What if you take the view that most of the club is set up for failure and anything better which seems to stem from him which is better than that can be considered virtually supererogatory?

 

This 'balanced, sensible' view that some people seem to have that victory should bring praise and defeat should bring criticism and pressure is dumb to reality. It doesn't take into account the context of any of the events under analysis and it doesn't help achieve what we presumably actually want which is ultimate success.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

If Hughton gets the praise when the team does well, people need to understand that he'll get criticism when they do badly - especially when the reason we failed to beat Stoke and Wigan were because of mistakes on the coaching team's part.

 

Spot on Jonny.  Seems it doesn't work like that though.

 

What if you take the view that most of the club is set up for failure and anything better which seems to stem from him which is better than that can be considered virtually supererogatory?

 

This 'balanced, sensible' view that some people seem to have that victory should bring praise and defeat should bring criticism and pressure is dumb to reality. It doesn't take into account the context of any of the events under analysis and it doesn't help achieve what we presumably actually want which is ultimate success.

 

I think it's more that people at one end of the scale think he shouldn't be criticised or held accountable at all tbh.

[Hughesy]

We pass the ball around fine, we just can't ever seem to find that creative spark to unlock a defence.  I would say the football is better than what we saw under Fat Sam.

[mrmojorisin75]

Is the football now any worse than the football we rebelled against under Big Fat Sam? At times I fail to see the difference - same static, long all unflowing crap we had under Big Sam. Though its more acceptable now considering where we are and what has happened - been a LONG time since we had any real decent football at SJP.

 

Expectations were a lot higher back then. Big Sam was able to spend over £15 mil to try and create a decent footballing side.

 

The football we are playing at the minute is slightly easier on the eye imo. Would imagine our possession stats are markedly better then they would have been then, could be wrong like.

 

i don't recall that ever being on the agenda personally, we always knew it'd be shit under fatsam i guess with a little more money you just expected slightly better shit

 

never a hope in hell he'd create a footballing side

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

I thought Routledge did well at Villa, Wolves and Everton (To an extent even the Man Utd) game. He just needs some confidence, doesn't seem to want to take on his man.

[Wullie]

If Hughton gets the praise when the team does well, people need to understand that he'll get criticism when they do badly - especially when the reason we failed to beat Stoke and Wigan were because of mistakes on the coaching team's part.

 

Spot on Jonny.  Seems it doesn't work like that though.

 

What if you take the view that most of the club is set up for failure and anything better which seems to stem from him which is better than that can be considered virtually supererogatory?

 

This 'balanced, sensible' view that some people seem to have that victory should bring praise and defeat should bring criticism and pressure is dumb to reality. It doesn't take into account the context of any of the events under analysis and it doesn't help achieve what we presumably actually want which is ultimate success.

 

I think it's more that people at one end of the scale think he shouldn't be criticised or held accountable at all tbh.

 

Who?

[Wullie]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

If Hughton gets the praise when the team does well, people need to understand that he'll get criticism when they do badly - especially when the reason we failed to beat Stoke and Wigan were because of mistakes on the coaching team's part.

 

Spot on Jonny.  Seems it doesn't work like that though.

 

What if you take the view that most of the club is set up for failure and anything better which seems to stem from him which is better than that can be considered virtually supererogatory?

 

This 'balanced, sensible' view that some people seem to have that victory should bring praise and defeat should bring criticism and pressure is dumb to reality. It doesn't take into account the context of any of the events under analysis and it doesn't help achieve what we presumably actually want which is ultimate success.

 

I think it's more that people at one end of the scale think he shouldn't be criticised or held accountable at all tbh.

 

Who?

 

Anyone saying he shouldn't be under pressure tbh, of which there are quite a few.

 

The nature of the job he is paid for means if things aren't going well, he should be under pressure.  At home we've had three very poor results on the bounce against three of the poorest sides in the division, that definately deserves criticism.

 

He therefore deserves to be under pressure.  Not to the extent of wanting him sacked mind.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

 

[madras]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

neither of our wide players are helped by no movement from the middle (forwards or midfielders) meaning the oppos defence can squeeze them to wherever they want.......in addition rotledge isn't exactly helped by having perch for supoort.

[Ronaldo]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

 

That's what I just said, fucking plagiarist.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

neither of our wide players are helped by no movement from the middle (forwards or midfielders) meaning the oppos defence can squeeze them to wherever they want.......in addition rotledge isn't exactly helped by having perch for supoort.

 

One thing that struck me at the weekend was how few of our players compliment each other in terms of their style of play, probably only Colo & Enrique and to an extent Jose & Jonas, although Jonas seems to allow Jose to do an awful lot of his work.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

neither of our wide players are helped by no movement from the middle (forwards or midfielders) meaning the oppos defence can squeeze them to wherever they want.......in addition rotledge isn't exactly helped by having perch for supoort.

 

One thing that struck me at the weekend was how few of our players compliment each other in terms of their style of play, probably only Colo & Enrique and to an extent Jose & Jonas, although Jonas seems to allow Jose to do an awful lot of his work.

 

Glad someone else is picking up on this. So few forward runs off the ball from this guy.

[Mick]

I think the biggest current threat to Hughton is the home attendances.

[Parky]

If you're going to play 2 wide full blown wingers, then people need to get into the box. We seem to be playing it half cocked. I started a thread about playing 2 forwards at home and we just have to do that. There is really no poiint holding back at home, the rest of the side isn't good enough for any fancy stuff.

[80]

I think the biggest current threat to Hughton is the home attendances.

 

Interesting point.

[madras]

I want to see Routledge given another chance and would love to see him come good because I really like him. Don't think the system we've been playing suits him, in the first few games he often get to the byline and have nobody waiting for the cross as Carroll had dropped deep. Suits him much better with two up.

neither of our wide players are helped by no movement from the middle (forwards or midfielders) meaning the oppos defence can squeeze them to wherever they want.......in addition rotledge isn't exactly helped by having perch for supoort.

 

One thing that struck me at the weekend was how few of our players compliment each other in terms of their style of play, probably only Colo & Enrique and to an extent Jose & Jonas, although Jonas seems to allow Jose to do an awful lot of his work.

 

Glad someone else is picking up on this. So few forward runs off the ball from this guy.

it was pointed out as soon as jose and jonas became an item on the left.

[Guest Heneage]

Alot of the time Jonas does seem to run 5 yards ahead and then out to the touchline and just refuse to move.