The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Liam Liam Liam O]

He's shown this week why the club are absolutely right to wait with the contract.

 

[Neil]

2 points from 15 against teams at home you should on your day be looking to beat.

 

"That's football."

 

You do come out with some crackers, neesy.

[Ketsbaia]

we're doing fine ok end of

[Guest neesy111]

17th is our aim this season, and were will above that.  people should be bloody happy for once.

[OzzieMandias]

He's shown this week why the club are absolutely right to wait with the contract.

 

 

I was just thinking the same thing. Half a season is enough time to make a judgement, though.

[JH]

The pressure notch is slowly turning back up.

 

5 points off the relegation zone, with Liverpool, City and Chelsea all the next three home games. Can't see where our next home win will be.

 

Given that you'd take 17th, you should be elated with the league table. Over a third of the season gone, top half, 5 points clear of relegation, two teams being cut adrift at the bottom...where exactly did you expect us to be at this point btw?

 

f***ing ridiculous to even suggest he's under pressure imo.

 

I'm not getting back into this f***ing debate again. Of course I'm not elated, we've failed to win 5 very winnable home games and if we don't start winning home games soon, we'll be in the relegation fight which is where I certainly don't want us to be.

 

Anything higher than 17th is a bonus, yes, I said that, but a third of the season is not exactly a marker for what the table will look like after 38 games. And if we continue this poor run of home form, we won't get 17th.

 

How is it less of a marker than an even smaller sample of the games played though Jonny?

 

You may very well point to the fixture list and quality of teams played and to come, but we clearly show no deference for what should be 'easy' or 'hard' games so what can you base your viewpoint on?

 

I think this is a question of degrees, yes Hughton is under pressure as a relatively inexperienced and unproven manager and he's bound to be under a certain amount of pressure as any Newcastle manager is, but I don't think it's being cranked up especially high right now.

 

He's saying I should be elated because of where we are, and I'm saying the reason I'm not is because it's so early in the season. if the home form continues, we'll struggle - I'm not saying 'we'll struggle because we didn't win in those five games' - I'm not using it as a marker for anything at all.

 

Because you we simply won't keep up our away form. And if we do, it's against all logic and reason and that makes all the more unlikely to happen. Of course we could continue the way we are, but I doubt it.

 

And I never said Hughton was under pressure, I was pointing towards the team/club being under pressure because of home form.

[JH]

Some NUFC will never ever be pleased unless were winning every game 5-0 ffs.

 

You really are f***ing clueless like.

 

Ahh, we don't you join the f***ing boo boys you clown.

 

You really see something wrong with people expecting more than 2 points from Stoke/Wigan/Blackburn/Fulham/Blackpool? You think that's too demanding?

[Ronaldo]

17th is our aim this season, and were will above that.  people should be bloody happy for once.

 

As stupid and short-sighted as it gets.

[ElDiablo]

I feel a bit sorry for him regarding the Ben Arfa situation, he's clearly exactly what we needed, and of course lack now. Just terrible luck he's fucked for 4 months. Hope Chris can pull something similar out of the bag (obv not of the same pedigree) in Jan, cos we desperately need at least one striker and winger.

[Ronaldo]

Some NUFC will never ever be pleased unless were winning every game 5-0 ffs.

 

You really are f***ing clueless like.

 

Ahh, we don't you join the f***ing boo boys you clown.

 

You really see something wrong with people expecting more than 2 points from Stoke/Wigan/Blackburn/Fulham/Blackpool? You think that's too demanding?

 

An improvement on that would be beating every team 5-0, tbh.

[Guest]

2 points from 15 against teams at home you should on your day be looking to beat.

 

"That's football."

 

You do come out with some crackers, neesy.

 

We've also picked up 9 out of 15 points, out of our matches against last season's top 8 so far, with 4 of those 5 games being away as well. You can look at stats any way really, but the main statistic is that we have 18 points in 13 games, if we get 18 in our next 13 then we're going to stay up very comfortably.

[Incognito]

We're doing better against the better teams,and also playing away from home.We'll pick up at Bolton,and play better against Chelsea too.The reason is these sides won't stay in a defensive shell and attack us,so we don't have to be so creative.

[Neil]

2 points from 15 against teams at home you should on your day be looking to beat.

 

"That's football."

 

You do come out with some crackers, neesy.

 

We've also picked up 9 out of 15 points, out of our matches against last season's top 8 so far, with 4 of those 5 games being away as well. You can look at stats any way really, but the main statistic is that we have 18 points in 13 games, if we get 18 in our next 13 then we're going to stay up very comfortably.

 

Is the crux of it really.

 

I'm of the opinion your home form is very worrying at the moment, against 2 average teams, 1 poor team and 2 awful teams. I don't think you'll go down but it merits severe questioning. If you can keep getting impressive away wins, great, but I think they'll soon start drying up which puts the onus on your home form. Just depends which way you look at it.

 

 

[The Prophet]

It's about knowing your limitation really. The crux of the issue at home is we struggle to break sides down and that's down to a lack of creative options simple as that. Ben Arfa is a huge miss, we all knew we'd struggle without that little bit of class and it's showing. All sides's have to do is turn up, remain solid and they know if they can contain our left hand side we'll pose little in terms of a threat.

 

Then you've got to remember we are newly promoted, the squad was always going to have limitations. Most would of taken 18 points this after this period of time regardless of where they've come from. That's not to say home form is an issue but I honestly think while the likes of Everton, Spurs and City have far more quality than we do the fact they'll come out and attack will in turn mean we'll pose more of an attacking threat ourselves.

 

Hughton probably knows its an issue but there's little he can do about it at this minute in time. The squad looked decent coming into the season but injuries and suspensions will have an impact on any newly promoted squad. I'm not expecting much in the way of a budget this January but a right winger and a striker would go a long way to guranteing our survival.

[The Prophet]

My old man would be perfect for the likes of SSN.

 

"This home form is unacceptable. We've got a couple of lucky wins away from home this year but to me the home form shows Hughton a lot of the time doesn't have the foggiest how to change things."

 

Beyond the fact he's an idiot, is there any truth in the claim Hughton doesn't know how to deal with things when they're going wrong? Or is that there simply aren't the players available to change it?

 

Well there isn't a plan B if that's what he's getting at. The playing in the second half today was terrible. It was just hit and hope.

 

Bollocks. It wasn't great but no where near as bad as your making out.

 

There was a period of 15 minutes where the defence just lobbed the ball forward, we had noone near the ball and the Fulham defence cleared back to us. It was bad.

 

Like I said it wasn't great but your certianly making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Ketsbaia]

Positives:

7th in the table and already on 18 points. Halfway to safety.

At times (Villa, Sunderland, Everton, Arsenal, West Ham and Man City) we've shown we can be a very good side

We've shown the ability to win matches away from home

These players really do care

We seem to have some stability, at last

Carroll, Tiote, Coloccini, Barton and Enrique

 

Negatives:

Theres no plan B. Teams that do their homework can see a very clear way to deny us victory.

A weak subs bench, with nobody that can change matches.

2 points from Blackpool, Stoke, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham is quite simply unacceptable.

We've had a good fixture list so far and still haven't played any of the big teams at home yet.

 

 

....basically. If we can keep our heads above water until January, I trust Hughton can get in the 2 players we need.

[Beren]

He's saying I should be elated because of where we are, and I'm saying the reason I'm not is because it's so early in the season. if the home form continues, we'll struggle - I'm not saying 'we'll struggle because we didn't win in those five games' - I'm not using it as a marker for anything at all.

 

Because you we simply won't keep up our away form. And if we do, it's against all logic and reason and that makes all the more unlikely to happen. Of course we could continue the way we are, but I doubt it.

 

And I never said Hughton was under pressure, I was pointing towards the team/club being under pressure because of home form.

 

Not quite sure I follow the logic of that first paragraph - if the home form continues as it is, we'll struggle - but then you renounce using that as a marker for why you're not elated to be fifth in the table?

 

You have no more reason to think our away form will dissipate any more than our home form will improve. We still have "easy" away games at Blackpool, Wigan et al.

 

Team/club under pressure inevitably means Hughton under pressure tbh, just look what thread we're posting in.

[Ronaldo]

Yeah, i can't wait for the games away to Wigan and Blackpool after the hammerings he handed out to them at home.

[JH]

Not quite sure I follow the logic of that first paragraph - if the home form continues as it is, we'll struggle - but then you renounce using that as a marker for why you're not elated to be fifth in the table?

 

You have no more reason to think our away form will dissipate any more than our home form will improve. We still have "easy" away games at Blackpool, Wigan et al.

 

Team/club under pressure inevitably means Hughton under pressure tbh, just look what thread we're posting in.

 

I was talking hypothetically, hence if. I wasn't saying 'we'll struggle because our home form could continue to be bad'.

 

I can, because like I said last week, I believe we're playing above ourselves away from home at the moment. I don't believe this team is that good and that's why we can only play like that away from home for so long. Whereas we're not going to suddenly be able to break teams down at home.

[Beren]

Yeah, i can't wait for the games away to Wigan and Blackpool after the hammerings he handed out to them at home.

 

Reread what I wrote in the context of the post. You've missed something.

[Beren]

Not quite sure I follow the logic of that first paragraph - if the home form continues as it is, we'll struggle - but then you renounce using that as a marker for why you're not elated to be fifth in the table?

 

You have no more reason to think our away form will dissipate any more than our home form will improve. We still have "easy" away games at Blackpool, Wigan et al.

 

Team/club under pressure inevitably means Hughton under pressure tbh, just look what thread we're posting in.

 

I was talking hypothetically, hence if. I wasn't saying 'we'll struggle because our home form could continue to be bad'.

 

I can, because like I said last week, I believe we're playing above ourselves away from home at the moment. I don't believe this team is that good and that's why we can only play like that away from home for so long. Whereas we're not going to suddenly be able to break teams down at home.

 

Fair enough. Out of interest, do you think we're playing at a level indicative of our "real" level at home right now?

[JH]

Not quite sure I follow the logic of that first paragraph - if the home form continues as it is, we'll struggle - but then you renounce using that as a marker for why you're not elated to be fifth in the table?

 

You have no more reason to think our away form will dissipate any more than our home form will improve. We still have "easy" away games at Blackpool, Wigan et al.

 

Team/club under pressure inevitably means Hughton under pressure tbh, just look what thread we're posting in.

 

I was talking hypothetically, hence if. I wasn't saying 'we'll struggle because our home form could continue to be bad'.

 

I can, because like I said last week, I believe we're playing above ourselves away from home at the moment. I don't believe this team is that good and that's why we can only play like that away from home for so long. Whereas we're not going to suddenly be able to break teams down at home.

 

Fair enough. Out of interest, do you think we're playing at a level indicative of our "real" level at home right now?

 

No. I think we're capable of 14th/13th and better than the likes of Blackpool, Wigan and Blackburn. Probably on par with Stoke and Fulham, but not worse than.

[EthiGeordie]

It's about knowing your limitation really. The crux of the issue at home is we struggle to break sides down and that's down to a lack of creative options simple as that. Ben Arfa is a huge miss, we all knew we'd struggle without that little bit of class and it's showing. All sides's have to do is turn up, remain solid and they know if they can contain our left hand side we'll pose little in terms of a threat.

 

Then you've got to remember we are newly promoted, the squad was always going to have limitations. Most would of taken 18 points this after this period of time regardless of where they've come from. That's not to say home form is an issue but I honestly think while the likes of Everton, Spurs and City have far more quality than we do the fact they'll come out and attack will in turn mean we'll pose more of an attacking threat ourselves.

 

Hughton probably knows its an issue but there's little he can do about it at this minute in time. The squad looked decent coming into the season but injuries and suspensions will have an impact on any newly promoted squad. I'm not expecting much in the way of a budget this January but a right winger and a striker would go a long way to guranteing our survival.

 

I like this a lot

[The Prophet]

Not quite sure I follow the logic of that first paragraph - if the home form continues as it is, we'll struggle - but then you renounce using that as a marker for why you're not elated to be fifth in the table?

 

You have no more reason to think our away form will dissipate any more than our home form will improve. We still have "easy" away games at Blackpool, Wigan et al.

 

Team/club under pressure inevitably means Hughton under pressure tbh, just look what thread we're posting in.

 

I was talking hypothetically, hence if. I wasn't saying 'we'll struggle because our home form could continue to be bad'.

 

I can, because like I said last week, I believe we're playing above ourselves away from home at the moment. I don't believe this team is that good and that's why we can only play like that away from home for so long. Whereas we're not going to suddenly be able to break teams down at home.

 

The thing is our away from is entirely sustainable, it may not be quite as good but we'll still pick up points simply because of the way we play. Whenever a team has a go we look comfortable, we soak up the pressure and give some back. It's when teams put men behind the ball seem struggle, you won't find many sides doing that on their own patch.

[Dokko]

He did everything right in the 2nd half, good subs for a change and thought we were unlucky not to win it.

 

Overall though our poor home form is of relegation standards, like Niel says our away form won't last forever, something has to change and sharpish, our current position is false people who judge what's going on right now with us on that position are crackers.