Guest Stephen927 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Fair point, Venkman. Lampard used to stop back after training and just practise shooting into an empty net. Would only take an hour of his time after training to practise too, presuming he doesn't already (I really hope he doesn't). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 When Nolan got booked for kicking the West Brom player the TV graphic said it was the 5th yellow card he's picked up. 1 match ban now isn't it? No, that rule ended at the turn of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 When Nolan got booked for kicking the West Brom player the TV graphic said it was the 5th yellow card he's picked up. 1 match ban now isn't it? No, that rule ended at the turn of the year. Did it? What happens now then? Why did they show he'd picked up 5 yellows if it doesn't matter then I wonder? Purely to show the stats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 When Nolan got booked for kicking the West Brom player the TV graphic said it was the 5th yellow card he's picked up. 1 match ban now isn't it? No, that rule ended at the turn of the year. Did it? What happens now then? Why did they show he'd picked up 5 yellows if it doesn't matter then I wonder? Purely to show the stats? They show the number no matter what, like when Shola got booked it showed it was his first of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 What is the new rule? How many yellows for a suspension? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 What is the new rule? How many yellows for a suspension? seems strange that they change it mid season aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 What is the new rule? How many yellows for a suspension? seems strange that they change it mid season aswell. Its always been like it, 5 yellows = ban then around Jan/Feb it goes to 10 = ban Nothing strange about it, why should somebody get a ban for 5 yellows in say 40 league games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 What is the new rule? How many yellows for a suspension? seems strange that they change it mid season aswell. Its always been like it, 5 yellows = ban then around Jan/Feb it goes to 10 = ban Nothing strange about it, why should somebody get a ban for 5 yellows in say 40 league games? i see. i misunderstood your "the rule ended at ther turn of the year" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Ahh, I get it now. My bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Just thinking about it i think its usually in Feb(8th rings a bell for some reason) which would mean he has a ban Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ItalianMagpie Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 West Brom are as close to a Premiership side as we'll see this season (bar if we play a PL side in the cup) and if i'm honest i thought we were lucky to get a draw. What i saw last night was one team of teamplayers, another one full of individuals led by a manager who quite obviously is not in as much control as we'd like to think. We've been lucky this season to rely on an individual moment of quality against lesser teams but last night was a massive wake up call. Defensively we were reminiscent of last season, lack of protection to the back 4 and feathers ruffled when a big powerful striker comes to play. Simpson was quite simply awful and he was playing against a player who would maybe only just scrape it into a low Premiership side. Colo and Taylor defended well when the ball was on the deck particularly Colo who i thought was impressive with one-on-one situations but when it was in the air neither dealt with the situation particularly well but a lot of their problems stemmed from the midfield, which i'll get onto next. Enrique, played alright but seemed to feel the pressure. The midfield was absolutely dire, West Brom knew this and set up perfectly to get us at our most vulnerable. They had a 5 man midfield and caught us time and time again on the counter, constantly overloading our fullbacks. This problem was caused by our particularly weak right hand side, Guthrie is not particularly quick and therefore holds no threat of counter attacking, so their fullback had no fear in getting forward. The other of West Brom's tactics was to break through the middle, on at least 20 occasions, 2 of their 3 central midfielders would burst towards our box, they were rapid and continuously left Smith and particularly Nolan for dead and they made no attempt to track them. This left Colo and Taylor with an extra man to pick up which would force one of our fullbacks to cover, leaving their man free which gave West Brom's fullbacks more incentive to get forward. This will be a massive problem if we get promoted as we will leak goals, what makes it worse though is Hughton's total lack of power and authority as Nolan is evidently a big character in the dressing room and a part of the player democracy. Everyone could see Nolan was causing us a lot of damage but Hughton was too scared to make the call and this is why he'll never be a good PL manager. I can't really complain a lot about the strikers, Shola was crap but his service was awful and Lovenkrands tried a few things but again service was so bad that it didn't make much of an impact. Quality goal, was nice to see after his family loss. I totally agree, from the first to the last word. This really was a wake up call, and I'm afraid we'll get a further confirmation on Saturday. We really need to bring someone in but as usual we won't, so I hope Hughton at least realises that Smith is a former player, and that he doesn't leave Raylor parked on the bench anymore... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Fair point, Venkman. Lampard used to stop back after training and just practise shooting into an empty net. Would only take an hour of his time after training to practise too, presuming he doesn't already (I really hope he doesn't). the thing is right, we know he can beat players, he's done it every week in the championship without fail. and we know he's an average crosser of the ball at best and pretty hopeless at shooting, but the amount of time he gets into the position to shoot, if he at least had a bit of confidence about it from doing it over and over again in training, surely he'd get AT LEAST one on target a game. once thats done, you dont have to rely on a striker to be in the box or finish the ball (unless its a rebound chance, which will happen aswell), and with the standard of keepers in this league, some are going to go in. fair enough it might be a mental weakness of his, but for fucks sake thats the WHOLE POINT of training, to make these players better. it shouldnt be about him staying extra hours to do it, although that would be commendable, hughton should be seeing these things in games, and saying to him 'right, this is what you're doing in training for the forseeable future, until you bag a few', as long as his general fitness stays good at the same time what have we got to lose? and this should apply all over the park, constantly fire long balls at colo and make him deal with them in the air, run people at taylor and tell him he can only back off so far, and shoot kevin nolan in the kneecaps and do us all a favour. granted i dont know that this stuff isnt all taking place but i fucking doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The trouble is, if you haven't got a good free kick taker in training, then you will struggle to replicate real game scenarios. The same goes for if the squad quality is bare, it's tough to get competitive games going in training. I agree with your post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The trouble is, if you haven't got a good free kick taker in training, then you will struggle to replicate real game scenarios. The same goes for if the squad quality is bare, it's tough to get competitive games going in training. I agree with your post. Best crosser of the ball in the open training session at SJP last season which involved Duff, Geremi, Godsmark and R.Taylor was Alan Thompson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Was a very high quantity of fitties at the game last night- a very welcome development! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Fitties? GTFO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Was a very high quantity of fatties at the game last night- a very welcome development! fyp? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Fitty Cent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Was a very high quantity of fatties at the game last night- a very welcome development! fyp? Totally true, four of five sat around me- even a hot female steward! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I'm not sure I agree that we were lucky to get a point last night. Yes West Brom looked a lot betteer than us, knocked it around much better. While we were awkward in posession and not in any shape as fluid as them. Having said that we created enough chances to win it, yes Miller missed an absolute sitter but we had, Carson make a great save in the last minute from Taylor FK, Jonas screw up the final ball when a goal looked odds on, A terrible off side call on Lovenkrands that would have left him 1 on 1 with the keeper, along with at least 2 blatant penalty shouts turned down. As I said West Brom did look good, the best side we've faced all year, but they were also cynical and have their problems at the back where they do not look convincing. I do't think we were lucky at all to get a point, a point was probably a fair result for the night but we would not have been lucky had we even won it in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I've yet to read any of the reaction yet, but i daresay the forum floorboards are leaking with the blood from gaping slit wrists? In the grand scheme of things, it's a decent point. We're still unbeaten at home, still on a lossless streak, and still three points clear with a game in hand. We've also proven that we can hold off the side who are arguably the best footballing team in the division, without playing particularly well. We're at 1 win in 5 at the moment which isn't what you'd call Championship form, but we're unbeaten in a hell of a lot - without playing great football - and that is a sign of Champions. Last night was frustrating cos most of our best players went from the sublime to the ridiculous at the drop of the hat. One moment Jonas would nick the ball past three players, then a couple minutes later he'd tumble to the ground in an instant. Same with Jose and Guthrie - one decent run and a good pass, then a shambolic one. We had no sense of rhythmn last night, and whilst the midfield weren't great and our 'creative' players weren't on top form - the movement up top was shocking, largely down to an extremely lethargic Shola; who was just down-right embarrassing. Hopefully we'll get Harewood back and he can play up top with Lovenkrands for the rest of the season. So aye - as far as this season goes, it was alright - decent result. However - as if we needed any proof already - if we're going to go up... fucking hell some work needs to be done in the transfer market. West Brom are the first not-shit team we've come up against at home this season and we stuttered for large spells... these were the whooping boys last season, and they've lost players too. We genuinely will get humiliated next year. Harper - 6. Simpson - 4. Got torn a new one by Thomas. Taylor - 6. Coloccini - 6. What the actual fuck was he doing for Bednar's goal? Fucking pillock. Enrique - 6. Guthrie - 6. Shocking wall it was, but a beautiful strike nonetheless. Shades of Liam O'Brien - the East Stand were already chearing. Smith - 6. Nolan - 5. The game passed him by. Fucking horrific footballer. Jonas - 6. Shola - 4. Lovenkrands - 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 :smack: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The guy on the end of their wall - Mulumbu? He ducked ffs I'd be going mental at him today if I was Di Matteo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I'm not sure I agree that we were lucky to get a point last night. Yes West Brom looked a lot betteer than us, knocked it around much better. While we were awkward in posession and not in any shape as fluid as them. Having said that we created enough chances to win it, yes Miller missed an absolute sitter but we had, Carson make a great save in the last minute from Taylor FK, Jonas screw up the final ball when a goal looked odds on, A terrible off side call on Lovenkrands that would have left him 1 on 1 with the keeper, along with at least 2 blatant penalty shouts turned down. As I said West Brom did look good, the best side we've faced all year, but they were also cynical and have their problems at the back where they do not look convincing. I do't think we were lucky at all to get a point, a point was probably a fair result for the night but we would not have been lucky had we even won it in the end. You make some very good points there, it really could have gone either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Harper - 6 Simpson - 2 (one of the worst defensive performances I've seen from a Newcastle player in recent years) S Taylor - 7 Coloccini - 6 Enrique - 6.5 (assist redeems him for some very dodgy give-aways) Guthrie - 7 (sublime freekick, solid shift) Nolan - 4 (Was he even on the pitch?) Smith - 6 (Very quiet game, especially when we needed him to break down their attacks. However, the kamikaze shot block... ) Gutierrez - 7.5 (Man of the Match, just, simply because he stretched their defence, he caused them problems and he looked like he wasn't scared to run at them) Ameobi - 3 (woeful) Lovenkrands - 7 (good header, love the guy for playing) Carroll - 5.5 (better than Ameobi) R Taylor - 6 (at least he tackled their right wing, unlike Simpson) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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