Punk77 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor wins and gets far more power/accuracy on his headers. Then we got to agree to disagree. One of the main reasons for the success of Willi and Colo is their compatibility. Willi wins everything in the air, and if anything passes through, Colo deals with it. They have a clear role understanding. Willi guards the air, Colo guards the ground. Taylor on the other hand is much more disorganized in his play. If you ignore the freaky Arsenal match, we've only conceded one goal in three matches. And that's a good statistics if you ask me. And we played against comparable teams too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I would be far happier playing Williamson if we could amputate his arms. I expect him to give away a penalty every game as he's always got his arms around the opposition. How many has he given away though? Taylor is too injury prone to be relied upon, the best thing in a centre back pairing is they play lots of games so it doesn't make sense chucking Taylor in there every time he gets fit again, especially as there isn't much between them. I think Williamson suits Colo better too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 How many has he given away though? Taylor is too injury prone to be relied upon, the best thing in a centre back pairing is they play lots of games so it doesn't make sense chucking Taylor in there every time he gets fit again, especially as there isn't much between them. I think Williamson suits Colo better too. I don't know how he gets away with holding players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 How many has he given away though? Taylor is too injury prone to be relied upon, the best thing in a centre back pairing is they play lots of games so it doesn't make sense chucking Taylor in there every time he gets fit again, especially as there isn't much between them. I think Williamson suits Colo better too. I don't know how how he gets away with holding players. Neither do I but he has a talent for it so leave him be. I think Williamson is a better overall centre back than Taylor, he is a lot more composed and intelligent and when Taylor plays our back four look a lot more agitated I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. I'm not a Taylor fan as such, but that's complete rubbish. He loves having the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Yet he is much better on the ball than Williamson who often panics under pressure and hoofs it out gifting possesion back to the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Yet he is much better on the ball than Williamson who often panics under pressure and hoofs it out gifting possesion back to the opposition. Williamson was cooler with the ball under CH. I think he has the ability to pass the ball, but not the confidence to actually try it. CH was aware of that and did train his passing skills on matchdays. If you remember back to the early games, Williamson had some very nice passes. Did not clear the ball as much as he does know. I hope Pardew attends to this problem. He's focused on Jonas' crossing lately, and that gave us a good result against Bham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Yet he is much better on the ball than Williamson who often panics under pressure and hoofs it out gifting possesion back to the opposition. Williamson has put it out in the last few games - quite rightly too IMO. Brum and Blackburn are the kind of opposition that feed off bullying defenders into mistakes. If you put it out, get your team in shape and them the ball - they haven't the foggiest of how to break you down. Hence two clean sheets. He and Colo generally have much better footballing philosophies in terms of passing and possession though. Taylor is far more brainless as a defender IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Yet he is much better on the ball than Williamson who often panics under pressure and hoofs it out gifting possesion back to the opposition. Williamson has put it out in the last few games - quite rightly too IMO. Brum and Blackburn are the kind of opposition that feed off bullying defenders into mistakes. If you put it out, get your team in shape and them the ball - they haven't the foggiest of how to break you down. Hence two clean sheets. He and Colo generally have much better footballing philosophies in terms of passing and possession though. Taylor is far more brainless as a defender IMO. You are wrong tbh, Taylor is a much better footballer than Williamson, I like Williamson and want to keep him here and as he is a decent defender but Taylor is much better with the ball at his feet. Putting it out is all well and good against teams like that but against the better teams they will punish you at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. lying to try and win an argument is never good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. lying to try and win an argument is never good. It's all he knows, give him a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. lying to try and win an argument is never good. It's all he knows, give him a break. You'll hurt my feelings if you carry on like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. lying to try and win an argument is never good. It's all he knows, give him a break. You'll hurt my feelings if you carry on like this. And now you're editing my posts? No integrity whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 lying to try and win an argument is never good. That's a bit strong, he's got a different opinion, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I think maybe a better way of putting it is Taylor's generally hastier with the ball. Better potential technique, though, and his nature does mean he can go on those mammoth dribbles occasionally... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Absolute nonsense. Have you actually watched much of Taylor? He loves running the ball out from the back. In my book, his biggest problem is that he thinks he's some sort of Beckenbauer, when he should just stick to basics. The idea that Williamson is better than him in the air ("wins everything in the air" my arse) is equally misguided. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Absolute nonsense. Have you actually watched much of Taylor? He loves running the ball out from the back. In my book, his biggest problem is that he thinks he's some sort of Beckenbauer, when he should just stick to basics. The idea that Williamson is better than him in the air ("wins everything in the air" my arse) is equally misguided. I agree with your first point about Taylor, sometimes he takes it too far. Your second point though i open to question, i'm not sure Taylor is better in the air than Williamson. Overall though, i'd rather have Mike at the back than Taylor as i think Taylor is far to dodgy and i never feel confident when he is at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor treats the ball like a hotcake. Doesn't want it anywhere near him, which can be good for a centre back in certain situations but for a top table side that looks to keep possession and build from the back, it's far too primitive. Absolute nonsense. Have you actually watched much of Taylor? He loves running the ball out from the back. In my book, his biggest problem is that he thinks he's some sort of Beckenbauer, when he should just stick to basics. The idea that Williamson is better than him in the air ("wins everything in the air" my arse) is equally misguided. I agree with your first point about Taylor, sometimes he takes it too far. Your second point though i open to question, i'm not sure Taylor is better in the air than Williamson. Overall though, i'd rather have Mike at the back than Taylor as i think Taylor is far to dodgy and i never feel confident when he is at the back. If Taylor had made the basic errors Williamson has made in recent months, he'd be hung, drawn and quartered. Not least by the hatred on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Back up defender, that's all Taylor is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Back up defender, that's all Taylor is. Same goes for Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 In an ideal world we'll have Williamson back-up centre-back next season, Taylor back-up centre-back & right-back cover, with a new centre-back coming in to partner Coloccini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Back up defender, that's all Taylor is. Same goes for Williamson. Yep, better one though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikos34 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Taylor's problem is that he can't stay fit for more than 2 games! Maybe if he could string a run of games together alongside Colo then they could become a good partnership. Williamson is a steady stopper who, when confident, can be solid but up against the better sides in the league I think he gets found out. I'd sooner have a fit Taylor in the team when possible. I think Taylor is more aggressive and is less likely to be intimidated by an opponent or an occasion. However, the fact that we're debating who we'd prefer in the team suggests that perhaps neither of them are a worthy enough partner for wor Fabricio. By the way, does anyone think Tamas Kadar has ever done much wrong when he's played? Looks a crackin' footballing defender if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Don't rate either of them massively but then of course they will look shit alongside Colo. Out of the two, Taylor would just edge it. Personally, i think it would be great to see us sign another quality centre back for Colocccini. He deserves to have a quality partner alongside him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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