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[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Staveley has fed into that with her win CL comments within 10 years or whatever she said.  
 

To do that you would expect more aggressive moves.  Everything we’ve done has been fairly low hanging fruit. 
 

The hard stuff. Stadium, a lot of sponsorships - we’ve not done.  
 

The fans expectations are aligned to what the ownership have stated.  It’s also why players like Bruno, Isak and Tonali joined. But the club have not followed through on the difficult commercial stuff. 
 

The owners did know worst case scale too we needed 30-50m for FFP. And my belief is we tried to sort it by selling Bruno.  Or commercial deals that were too late. 

I just want to know what the plan is to get us to that point of being champions league regulars. 
 

The only conclusion I have is player trading, because the other ways seem closed off.

[The Prophet]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Staveley has fed into that with her win CL comments within 10 years or whatever she said.  
 

To do that you would expect more aggressive moves.  Everything we’ve done has been fairly low hanging fruit. 
 

The hard stuff. Stadium, a lot of sponsorships - we’ve not done.  
 

The fans expectations are aligned to what the ownership have stated.  It’s also why players like Bruno, Isak and Tonali joined. But the club have not followed through on the difficult commercial stuff. 
 

The owners did know worst case scale too we needed 30-50m for FFP. And my belief is we tried to sort it by selling Bruno.  Or commercial deals that were too late. 

 

It's only been two and a half years though. Plus we've now got the addition of enhanced related party sponsor rules to navigate.

 

It'll be interesting to see where we're at at the halfway mark of that timescale.

[Yorkie]

True Faith is bedwettery of the highest order, like. They lurched from "Champions League contenders!" to midtable misery every other week last season. Just so reactionary to everything; some of them are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. 

 

One of the absolute melts on there the other week started his summary of Eddie Howe (without a hint of irony) with "We don't work for him, he works for us." Imagine going on like that.

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1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

True Faith is bedwettery of the highest order, like. They lurched from "Champions League contenders!" to midtable misery every other week last season. Just so reactionary to everything; some of them are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. 

 

One of the absolute melts on there the other week started his summary of Eddie Howe (without a hint of irony) with "We don't work for him, he works for us." Imagine going on like that.

Listening now and I see what you mean. it Liverpool would have taken Gordon yesterday they wouldn’t have been doing us any favours, they would have been getting an excellent player at a cut price. Sometimes the way people frame things causes them to reach odd conclusions. 

[christ]

9 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Lack of communication, PIF as absentee owners (and potential waning interest), slowness in terms of commercials, training ground and stadium, that we were close to the brink on PSR and what that possibly says about the competence of some of those charged with running the club.

 

I didn't agree with everything that they said, but they weren't exactly nonsensical ravings or owt.  I've no idea re PIF's interest (no-one does - they don't actually say anything), but they suggested it showed that they may have had enough.  Personally, it simply ties back to what I've always thought - this is a passive investment and always was from day one.  I don't think this means PIF are looking to offload - what I could hear was the sound of people confused that this isn't what we 'signed up for', which is fair enough, but there's no evidence to suggest that PIF are looking to offload us.  

Honestly man, some of our fans are hysterical cretins
 

‘Lack of communication’ just seems to be a catch all when people are vaguely disgruntled about something. I don’t think that the club are particularly uncommunicative. Far from it.

 

Anyone going on about the stadium and training ground should be written off as a complete clown. These are capital projects that require vast amounts of planning. We know both of these things are being looked at. People need to accept this.
 

The stuff around PIF’s interest (or lack of) just highlights that people do not understand why they bought us. We are an instrument of soft power for Saudi Arabia. Their day to day involvement will always be arms length, and we’ll always be just one among many. This is what we sold our soul to the devil for - to be part of a wider portfolio. 

As for PSR, if we get to January and we’re compliant then the club have pulled an absolute masterstroke. Overseeing huge investment in the first team - taking us from relegation fodder to CL contenders - during a period when commercials were being rebuilt and the squad was at its least saleable, and only losing two fringe players. That’s pretty good.

[jack j]

Hopefully charlotte robson won't be getting tickets in the platinum club now then

And mebbes alex hurst and michael martin might stop trying to rip fans off with 55 quid busses to games as close to Blackburn

[Rich]

Some of you have an incredible tolerance for shitty opinions from absolute cunts, like.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think the question about training ground was about the only valid whinge from TF this week. As I keep saying I'm also concerned about offering Gordon for sale, but maybe that was just part of a general ring-around or a desperation measure that they never planned to use. 

 

Stadium is a massive project and a massive decision, so that will be slow. 

 

We would have got in Europe except for incredible back luck, both with injuries and the FA Cup result. So on the pitch we are doing exceptionally well. 

 

I think it's a shame that TF think they have to keep waffling every few days thorghout the summer. And the way they have aligned themselves with worthless football journalists and invite them to all their events is also a mistake. If you just listen to them when we win, it's not too bad

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:15 by AyeDubbleYoo

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

Some of you have an incredible tolerance for shitty opinions from absolute cunts, like.

Brother, we live on here of course we do

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

If you just listen to them when we win, it's not too bad

 

That's the only time I bother, on the whole. Just want to continue reveling in the joy of a Newcastle win. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

That's the only time I bother, on the whole. Just want to continue reveling in the joy of a Newcastle win. 

 

Yeah, sometimes I can't resist dipping into the other shows but it's almost always a mistake. And anything with Luke Edwards as a guest I just insta-delete, obviously. 

[Kid Icarus]

10 hours ago, The Prophet said:

I agree that they could well be passive investors, but I also find the expectations of fans a bit mad. 

 

I'll go one step further and say that I think they're pathetic. And unbelievably predictable as well. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:20 by Kid Icarus

[Rich]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Brother, we live on here of course we do

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Rich said:

Given your lack of posts recently I’d argue your worst

 

you read all of the shit and don’t even input that much recently

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'll go one step further and say that I think they're pathetic. And unbelievably predictable as well. 

 

It is amazing that we're only a couple of years away from effectively not existing as a relevant football club at all. 

[TheBrownBottle]

13 minutes ago, christ said:

Honestly man, some of our fans are hysterical cretins
 

‘Lack of communication’ just seems to be a catch all when people are vaguely disgruntled about something. I don’t think that the club are particularly uncommunicative. Far from it.

 

Anyone going on about the stadium and training ground should be written off as a complete clown. These are capital projects that require vast amounts of planning. We know both of these things are being looked at. People need to accept this.
 

The stuff around PIF’s interest (or lack of) just highlights that people do not understand why they bought us. We are an instrument of soft power for Saudi Arabia. Their day to day involvement will always be arms length, and we’ll always be just one among many. This is what we sold our soul to the devil for - to be part of a wider portfolio. 

As for PSR, if we get to January and we’re compliant then the club have pulled an absolute masterstroke. Overseeing huge investment in the first team - taking us from relegation fodder to CL contenders - during a period when commercials were being rebuilt and the squad was at its least saleable, and only losing two fringe players. That’s pretty good.

Only saying what they were saying on there - I didn’t agree with all of it.

 

Not sure it makes people cretins either, mind.

 

Soft power isn’t much use as a silent partner.  That’s the entire point of it - being front and centre and getting the credit for the success of the ‘sportswashing’ vehicle.

 

And as someone who is currently a senior member of a team building a civil engineering project worth more than £1bn - and as someone who has also been a key member of the project team on a new build training facility for a professional football team in the UK - I’ll happily put on my clown shoes and state that yes, pre-planning on large scale projects does take time, so it is understandable re the stadium.  The training ground?  No, that is not a capital project requiring vast amounts of planning.   

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Only saying what they were saying on there - I didn’t agree with all of it.

 

Not sure it makes people cretins either, mind.

 

Soft power isn’t much use as a silent partner.  That’s the entire point of it - being front and centre and getting the credit for the success of the ‘sportswashing’ vehicle.

 

And as someone who is currently a senior member of a team building a civil engineering project worth more than £1bn - and as someone who has also been a key member of the project team on a new build training facility for a professional football team in the UK - I’ll happily put on my clown shoes and state that yes, pre-planning on large scale projects does take time, so it is understandable re the stadium.  The training ground?  No, that is not a capital project requiring vast amounts of planning.   

The training ground issue only makes sense to me if the extra land we’ve nabbed off the Northumbrian FA is enough to build out a proper complex. If not then I find the delay baffling. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

The training ground issue only makes sense to me if the extra land we’ve nabbed off the Northumbrian FA is enough to build out a proper complex. If not then I find the delay baffling. 

Perhaps, but even with that they’re not complex nor or they complicated builds - the only complex issue is usually the specialised equipment, which from our perspective wouldn’t be an issue (ie the cost).  Pre-planning should be months, not years.  The club’s shit facilities were not a secret - the Mackems had better facilities than us (including our academy being graded lower).  

[Stuy_O]

PIF have invested over 400m on the squad and are transforming the club from top to bottom. How can anyone suggest they are being passive? Given the absolute state of the club when they took over and the rules that have been bent in every direction to hinder us, it's remarkable how quickly we've grown. 

 

I would agree that we could have seen additional sponsorship sooner, but surely it won't be long. 

 

The Minteh sale does seem to made a lot of people lose thier minds. 

[r0cafella]

45 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Perhaps, but even with that they’re not complex nor or they complicated builds - the only complex issue is usually the specialised equipment, which from our perspective wouldn’t be an issue (ie the cost).  Pre-planning should be months, not years.  The club’s shit facilities were not a secret - the Mackems had better facilities than us (including our academy being graded lower).  

Yeah but the Northumbria FA only moved out last month, so I can’t knock them for not doing anything with they IF that is Indeed the plan 

[TRon]

11 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Lack of communication, PIF as absentee owners (and potential waning interest), slowness in terms of commercials, training ground and stadium, that we were close to the brink on PSR and what that possibly says about the competence of some of those charged with running the club.

 

I didn't agree with everything that they said, but they weren't exactly nonsensical ravings or owt.  I've no idea re PIF's interest (no-one does - they don't actually say anything), but they suggested it showed that they may have had enough.  Personally, it simply ties back to what I've always thought - this is a passive investment and always was from day one.  I don't think this means PIF are looking to offload - what I could hear was the sound of people confused that this isn't what we 'signed up for', which is fair enough, but there's no evidence to suggest that PIF are looking to offload us.  

 

 

Tbh, I could understand if the PIF interest had waned a bit given that they would have bought the club to win stuff, and we've just had a series of roadblocks put up in our way since then.

 

As for being a passive investment, was probably always that really. They'll put competent people in charge and let them get on with it. It doesn't mean they are going anywhere soon.