fredbob Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Re: we should all get behind Ashley and stop being horrid to him - I wonder if the Liverpool Yanks and the Glazers have considered this as a PR exercise. Decimate the club, get them relegated, win a few matches in the CCC and they will find the Man Utd/Liverpool fans will be tripping over themselves to tell each other what a brilliant job they're doing all of a sudden. Dim. Two big clubs doing well but potentailly being brought down by financial irresponsibilty, ring a bell?! Doubt it becasue you're dim. The rot started long ago, Ashley isn't excusable for mistakes he's made leading to our releagation but this "Militia" mentality you've got is pretty tiresome at times. Not really addressing the big picture here which is that we will be in a hell of a better position should we go up than we would be had we stayed up last year. (Note that isnt me crediting Ashley with this little snippet, just pointing it out). Cue non sensical retort. Or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Very disappointed with the FLS this weekend. I thought we would have proper extended highlights, but they rushed through the goals really wuickly and that was it. It seems like they only send people to do live commentary at 1, sometimes 2 games. The game thats being covered is always the one with the longest highlights, for example our game against Watford. All the others are just narrated over the top, which I suppose is fair enough considering they have the rattle through 3 leagues and fit in time to 'analyse' and read out silly texts and emails. They only send extra cameras to one game (plus any games that have been live on TV), which gets extended highlights and commentary, so the risk they take is selecting a game that could end up being a shit 0-0. The others just have one camera, which is why they only get short highlights, which is unfortunate when it ends up 6-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Yeah Wullie, ya dim cunt ya. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Very pleased with the win, scoreline and performance. Seemed easy against 10 men, especially with the reserve goalkeeper in. But what is most impressive is the sustained pressure we maintained for the whole of the first half, which lead to the penalty in the end. Need to keep the performance levels for the Boro game and not spazz out like the last time we'd played well the week before a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Very disappointed with the FLS this weekend. I thought we would have proper extended highlights, but they rushed through the goals really wuickly and that was it. It seems like they only send people to do live commentary at 1, sometimes 2 games. The game thats being covered is always the one with the longest highlights, for example our game against Watford. All the others are just narrated over the top, which I suppose is fair enough considering they have the rattle through 3 leagues and fit in time to 'analyse' and read out silly texts and emails. They only send extra cameras to one game (plus any games that have been live on TV), which gets extended highlights and commentary, so the risk they take is selecting a game that could end up being a shit 0-0. The others just have one camera, which is why they only get short highlights, which is unfortunate when it ends up 6-1. Yep. That game with the extra camera is the one that is televised outside the UK as well. Should hopefully be us again this weekend considering it's a "derby" and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Re: we should all get behind Ashley and stop being horrid to him - I wonder if the Liverpool Yanks and the Glazers have considered this as a PR exercise. Decimate the club, get them relegated, win a few matches in the CCC and they will find the Man Utd/Liverpool fans will be tripping over themselves to tell each other what a brilliant job they're doing all of a sudden. Dim. Two big clubs doing well but potentailly being brought down by financial irresponsibilty, ring a bell?! Doubt it becasue you're dim. The rot started long ago, Ashley isn't excusable for mistakes he's made leading to our releagation but this "Militia" mentality you've got is pretty tiresome at times. Not really addressing the big picture here which is that we will be in a hell of a better position should we go up than we would be had we stayed up last year. (Note that isnt me crediting Ashley with this little snippet, just pointing it out). Cue non sensical retort. Or not. How are we in a better position going up than if we'd have stayed up last year? I think the only thing you can give the current regime credit for is cutting the wage bill down. And many would suggest it might have been better to have stayed in the Prem and done that. See, my opinion is that we would of found it difficult to shift players had we stayed up. If we had stayed up, alot of the players would have had no incentive to leave; they were playing premiership football in front of 50k every week and picking up top top wages with no effort. Dont get me wrong, there is no way in a million years Im giving Ashley credit for getting us relegated but I honestly think that it will have its benefits for us in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Peter Lovenkrands commented on the penalty: “The goalkeeper never touched me, but he came out high, I tried to avoid him but couldn’t take another step and so he still kind of brought me down. It was a penalty, although the red card was harsh.” What? :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 He couldn't carry on running through on goal as the keeper hurled himself at his feet. This enforced hurdle meant he fell over. Definite penno imo and no option but to dismiss him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Don't think there can be a penalty if no contact is made between two players, surely? Can someone who knows the actual rules clarify? He could have cleared it up by running into the keeper like most players do, and leaving a leg dangling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Don't think there can be a penalty if no contact is made between two players, surely? Can someone who knows the actual rules clarify? He could have cleared it up by running into the keeper like most players do, and leaving a leg dangling. If Peter lost his balance as a result of having to hurdle the onrushing goalkeeper, is it still not the denial of a clear goal-scoring opportunity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 The goalkeeper's left leg is kept deliberately and unnaturally high to impede Lovenkrands and he has to hurdle it causing him to fall over. Penalty, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Don't think there can be a penalty if no contact is made between two players, surely? Can someone who knows the actual rules clarify? He could have cleared it up by running into the keeper like most players do, and leaving a leg dangling. If Peter lost his balance as a result of having to hurdle the onrushing goalkeeper, is it still not the denial of a clear goal-scoring opportunity? Aye, was watching Lovenkrands' interview and he said that. But i mean... he hasn't touched him, there's no contact. Therefore, isn't it actually very good goalkeeping? The whole point of the game is to stop the other team from scoring - the keeper did that without touching him. But if, as Fraser says, it was a high foot then i guess it's still a pen? Difficult one really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Lovenkrands had his guts for garters in that move, it was a definite penalty, the goalkeeper impeded a clear goalscoring opportunity, Lovenkrands tried his best to avoid the keeper's intention to bring him down, but he could not, had to be a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Yes its all about intent,he doesn't have to make contact.Penalty and definite red card irrespective of contact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Don't think there can be a penalty if no contact is made between two players, surely? Can someone who knows the actual rules clarify? He could have cleared it up by running into the keeper like most players do, and leaving a leg dangling. Law 12 of the game states: A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent • trips or attempts to trip an opponent • jumps at an opponent • charges an opponent • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent • pushes an opponent • tackles an opponent Definite penalty, ref had no choice if he even considered it was just recklessness on the part of the GK, irrespective of any contact. Furthermore, the same law goes on to clarify: Sending-off Offences A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences: • serious foul play • violent conduct • spitting at an opponent or any other person • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) • denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures • receiving a second caution in the same match So once he'd correctly decided that it was a penalty, he had no option but to dismiss the goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sure you're all right, it just doesn't happen very often. I think it makes sense that intent is important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 He couldn't carry on running through on goal as the keeper hurled himself at his feet. This enforced hurdle meant he fell over. Definite penno imo and no option but to dismiss him. He couldn’t carry on running through on goal because his knock past the keeper was far too heavy and he was never going to catch up with it, which is why he dived. Sorry, readjusted is stride in a falling down without being touched kind of way. Never a pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 He couldn't carry on running through on goal as the keeper hurled himself at his feet. This enforced hurdle meant he fell over. Definite penno imo and no option but to dismiss him. He couldn’t carry on running through on goal because his knock past the keeper was far too heavy and he was never going to catch up with it, which is why he dived. Sorry, readjusted is stride in a falling down without being touched kind of way. Never a pen. Utter bollocks. Watch it again, he didn't over hit the ball at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 He couldn't carry on running through on goal as the keeper hurled himself at his feet. This enforced hurdle meant he fell over. Definite penno imo and no option but to dismiss him. He couldn’t carry on running through on goal because his knock past the keeper was far too heavy and he was never going to catch up with it, which is why he dived. Sorry, readjusted is stride in a falling down without being touched kind of way. Never a pen. Utter bollocks. Watch it again, he didn't over hit the ball at all. I will/have and your right, it wasn’t that heavy. Still if that was a pen we might as well do away with goalkeepers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 He couldn't carry on running through on goal as the keeper hurled himself at his feet. This enforced hurdle meant he fell over. Definite penno imo and no option but to dismiss him. He couldn’t carry on running through on goal because his knock past the keeper was far too heavy and he was never going to catch up with it, which is why he dived. Sorry, readjusted is stride in a falling down without being touched kind of way. Never a pen. Get real man! Don't think there can be a penalty if no contact is made between two players, surely? Can someone who knows the actual rules clarify? He could have cleared it up by running into the keeper like most players do, and leaving a leg dangling. Law 12 of the game states: A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent • trips or attempts to trip an opponent • jumps at an opponent • charges an opponent • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent • pushes an opponent • tackles an opponent Definite penalty, ref had no choice if he even considered it was just recklessness on the part of the GK, irrespective of any contact. Furthermore, the same law goes on to clarify: Sending-off Offences A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences: • serious foul play • violent conduct • spitting at an opponent or any other person • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) • denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures • receiving a second caution in the same match So once he'd correctly decided that it was a penalty, he had no option but to dismiss the goalkeeper. Re-read this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulivye Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 the keeper is sweeping with his leg at Lovencrayons. penalty was the right call, imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Attempt is just as offence-worthy as an actual trip or contact. It was the right call, and a sending off too. He was attempting to bring down Lovenkrands and even though he didn't touch him, Lovenkrands had no other choice than to jump and fall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Attempt is just as offence-worthy as an actual trip or contact. It was the right call, and a sending off too. He was attempting to bring down Lovenkrands and even though he didn't touch him, Lovenkrands had no other choice than to jump and fall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 He actually tried to stay on his feet. As someone said earlier - he could have easily run into the keeper and got a conventional penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Seeing it again, its a lush pass from Pancrate for Lovenkrands pre-pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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