Hughesy Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 And then when you buy the ticket and are nowhere near winning said raffle, the manager, scouting network and chairman get hammered for making a s*** signing. Look what happened when we got Nacho to improve relations with an agent to curry favour in order to help get players from that region in the future? Got slated for it. Exactly. This is the problem though, we have sections of the fans who are very naive, and think Football is just Premier Manger 98 on the Playstation. In fairness - we didn't exactly see the fruits of that connection did we? Can hardly blame ppl for thinking that it was a senseless move. You don't need to loan players to break into the South American market.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Someone called Scott Wilson who writes for the Northern Echo reckons that Erding is 'still in [our] sights'. Gone back in with a £2m big after our bigger bid was turned down i wonder. The old CM tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Someone called Scott Wilson who writes for the Northern Echo reckons that Erding is 'still in [our] sights'. Gone back in with a £2m big after our bigger bid was turned down i wonder. The old CM tactic. He says the club seem 'bullish' about Cleverley and Gosling - and Erding is still in sights (depenedent on a striker leaving). You'd imagine that would be Xisco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 My problem with Oldtypes suggestion is, how do we know these places hold the talent? Of course places like Honduras have produced the likes of Suazo, Palacios, and Figueroa, but that's 3 players of how many? Guess the old saying 'if you don't buy a ticket you wont win the raffle' could apply to that. I agree with oldtype, though. It seems that this idea/fantasy of Ashley's has collapsed since we got relegated. As someone said, it would cost money to do that and considering he obviously doesn't want to hang around here why should he bother? Loanies and freebies will keep us happy for the moment, sure.... Doesn't have to cost millions if you build up links with top clubs in obscure leagues and then use what they have. Palacios, Figeuroa and D.Suazo all played for the same club in Honduras for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 And then when you buy the ticket and are nowhere near winning said raffle, the manager, scouting network and chairman get hammered for making a s*** signing. Look what happened when we got Nacho to improve relations with an agent to curry favour in order to help get players from that region in the future? Got slated for it. Obviously your not going to succeed everyone time, it doesn't work like that. But you've got to keep trying if you want to be the best. It's alway going to be hit and miss in football, but when its a hit you'll reap the rewards 10 times over. And as for the Nacho fiasco- well obviously our hierachy were going to get slated for it; we weren't buying him to improve the team, it was for a bloody agent! You don't see Arsenal, Man Utd or Everton doing that! What we need to be doing is bring in well researched players who are seen to having the potential ability- physically/techniqually and mentally- to play for Newcastle United. Smart little signings like Steven Pienaar- £3m from Borussia Dortmund- or Brede Hangeland (no more than a million) which all turn into solid, key players for their respective teams. Instead, we've gone for the Luque's, Owen's, Boumsong's, Duff's etc. However, by the end of this window I think we'll properly discover whether Chris has an eye for a bargain. IMO he's done quite well prior to June; Williamson, Routledge, Van Aanholt and Lovenkrands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secteur2010 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Someone called Scott Wilson who writes for the Northern Echo reckons that Erding is 'still in [our] sights'. Gone back in with a £2m big after our bigger bid was turned down i wonder. The old CM tactic. He says the club seem 'bullshit' about Cleverley and Gosling - and Erding is still in sights (depenedent on a striker leaving). You'd imagine that would be Xisco Tidied Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 And then when you buy the ticket and are nowhere near winning said raffle, the manager, scouting network and chairman get hammered for making a s*** signing. Look what happened when we got Nacho to improve relations with an agent to curry favour in order to help get players from that region in the future? Got slated for it. Exactly. This is the problem though, we have sections of the fans who are very naive, and think Football is just Premier Manger 98 on the Playstation. In fairness - we didn't exactly see the fruits of that connection did we? Can hardly blame ppl for thinking that it was a senseless move. You don't need to loan players to break into the South American market.... People act like he was like Ali Dia at Southampton. He seemed a fairly decent player, who needed a season of playing football. You might not think it's good, but we are building relations. Notice how we took Caio Ferriera on trial in the same year... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 My problem with Oldtypes suggestion is, how do we know these places hold the talent? Of course places like Honduras have produced the likes of Suazo, Palacios, and Figueroa, but that's 3 players of how many? Guess the old saying 'if you don't buy a ticket you wont win the raffle' could apply to that. I agree with oldtype, though. It seems that this idea/fantasy of Ashley's has collapsed since we got relegated. As someone said, it would cost money to do that and considering he obviously doesn't want to hang around here why should he bother? Loanies and freebies will keep us happy for the moment, sure.... Doesn't have to cost millions if you build up links with top clubs in obscure leagues and then use what they have. Palacios, Figeuroa and D.Suazo all played for the same club in Honduras for example. True, maybe I meant it takes effort However, to run a global scouting network- or even a couple of continents- it takes time and money. But as they say, its all about knowing the right people... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Someone called Scott Wilson who writes for the Northern Echo reckons that Erding is 'still in [our] sights'. Gone back in with a £2m big after our bigger bid was turned down i wonder. The old CM tactic. He says the club seem 'bullshit' about Cleverley and Gosling - and Erding is still in sights (depenedent on a striker leaving). You'd imagine that would be Xisco Tidied Thanks for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Seriously - you don't need to do favours for South American agents to have an effective South American scouting network. Not aware of many people who suggest Nacho was awful - he's a Uruguayan international - so clearly had something about him. Although he hadn't been a roaring success in Europe beforehand or indeed after he left us. I've said before - we shouldn't really ever have been looking to buy foreign players for huge amounts of money. Whilst not suggesting we should not have ambition, we do have to be realistic about our position in world football. We aren't a historically successful club (not by European standards), we aren't a London club, we aren't a massive city and we have been 'struggling' for a while. If we buy a player for 8+ million, you have to wonder 1) why the player is coming to us 2) why a 'bigger' club hasn't already bought the player ie Luque, Boumsong et al. Much better off focussing on players in the 1-4 million bracket in my opinion, who are young and hungry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secteur2010 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 No problem. Seriously though, great signings if they can be landed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Cleverly + Gosling + De Guzman + Erding - Xisco = Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Someone called Scott Wilson who writes for the Northern Echo reckons that Erding is 'still in [our] sights'. Gone back in with a £2m big after our bigger bid was turned down i wonder. The old CM tactic. He says the club seem 'bullshit' about Cleverley and Gosling - and Erding is still in sights (depenedent on a striker leaving). You'd imagine that would be Xisco Tidied Thanks for that Take Cleverley out and replace with De Guzman and I would be well chuffed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I wonder what other players Nacho's agent has out of interest, just to see who we could have been lining up in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Luque Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 We were linked with him last season I'm sure there was a picture of him in the directors box last year on here some where.... It was 2 seasons ago, some pre-season game. I think it was Valencia. Anyway it wasn't Djalo. Just some random black dude with dreads. http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6462/dreads2rt3.png I remember this mystery Me too. Was madness. And then there were the two trialists a couple of years ago when there was an open thing at SJP. A brazillian looking baldy and a little black dude. Never found out who they were... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 We were linked with him last season I'm sure there was a picture of him in the directors box last year on here some where.... It was 2 seasons ago, some pre-season game. I think it was Valencia. Anyway it wasn't Djalo. Just some random black dude with dreads. http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6462/dreads2rt3.png I remember this mystery Me too. Was madness. And then there were the two trialists a couple of years ago when there was an open thing at SJP. A brazillian looking baldy and a little black dude. Never found out who they were... Brazilian was a Leverkusen left back wasn't he? Can't remember the name, began with a D I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Pre Dator? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Seriously - you don't need to do favours for South American agents to have an effective South American scouting network. Not aware of many people who suggest Nacho was awful - he's a Uruguayan international - so clearly had something about him. Although he hadn't been a roaring success in Europe beforehand or indeed after he left us. I've said before - we shouldn't really ever have been looking to buy foreign players for huge amounts of money. Whilst not suggesting we should not have ambition, we do have to be realistic about our position in world football. We aren't a historically successful club (not by European standards), we aren't a London club, we aren't a massive city and we have been 'struggling' for a while. If we buy a player for 8+ million, you have to wonder 1) why the player is coming to us 2) why a 'bigger' club hasn't already bought the player ie Luque, Boumsong et al. Much better off focussing on players in the 1-4 million bracket in my opinion, who are young and hungry. Top post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Oba Martins signs for Russian club! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Oba Martins signs for Russian club! Giggs have scored! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 The Portuguese paper Ojojo say we had a 5m euro bid rejected.....they want 7-8m http://www.ojogo.pt/26-190/artigo873551.asp Seriously - you don't need to do favours for South American agents to have an effective South American scouting network. Would like to see us try for a few S.Americans as there are certainly some bargains to be had there. If Marcos Angeleri moves for 1.5m after getting a work permit/EU passport that is a fkin steal for example. Apparently last I read Mirandinha is/was our scout in South America....not sure anymore though. http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/26067/default.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 sadly, from vitalfootball......but.....Scharner to Toon http://www.wigan.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=204298 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander68 Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 sadly, from vitalfootball......but.....Scharner to Toon http://www.wigan.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=204298 I'd take him on a free. I don't think he'll get into the first 11, but he'd make a decent backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Tottenham and Newcastle are in the race by Yannick Djalo and second GAME cleared, the two emblems British already had a proposal to even be around 5 million euros to secure the assistance of advanced. For now, the two bids that reached Alvalade in recent days have been rejected by those responsible for Leo, who want a budget allowance to transfer the player at around 7 to 8 million euros. Negotiations were, however, given as closed, as Sporting, SAD, in particular President Jose Eduardo Bettencourt and Costinha, director for football society, they admit to reduce the financial requirements, provided there is a connection between the values offered and those desired by the green and white. It is certain that both the Spurs, rooms classified the latest edition of the Premier League - thus ensuring the participation in the qualifying round access to the Champions League 2010/11 - such as magpies, promoted last season to the top flight of English football follow much the performances of Yannick Djalo and even a presence in a number of challenges performed at the Estadio Jose Alvalade in the final season. But it was the tie with Everton, also of England, for 16 cents-finals of the League of Europe, particularly against the second-hand, where the Lions won 3-0 Yannick Djalo and presented in close-up , which has triggered interest in the athlete, including the very toffees, which, however, they never consummate their intentions. Tottenham and Newcastle, knows the game, should make new attack from the SAD Leo next week, and this, despite going through some financial difficulties - which have conditioned the development of the 2010/11 squad - and the resulting willingness to negotiate pass the athlete wants to be compensated with higher values than those offered by the British, enforcing the fact Yannick Djalo have a valid contract until 2013 with a release clause of 20 million. ^From that Portuguese thing- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Scharner on a free would be a great signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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