Wullie Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Fucking hell, what's with the Martins bashing? Yes, he was unbearably shit at times but his goalscoring record here was 39 in 105, which is 1 in 2.6. You can't argue with that figure, really. Not to mention some of the rubbish that's worn the number 9 over the years (although admittedly not since squads were introduced). It's not been all Shearers and Milburns. I liked Martins anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Fucking hell, what's with the Martins bashing? Yes, he was unbearably shit at times but his goalscoring record here was 39 in 105, which is 1 in 2.6. You can't argue with that figure, really. I wasnt that bothered about him getting the 9 shirt but his lazy attitude, especially in the relegation season, make me look back on his time with little fondness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Fucking hell, what's with the Martins bashing? Yes, he was unbearably shit at times but his goalscoring record here was 39 in 105, which is 1 in 2.6. You can't argue with that figure, really. Not to mention some of the rubbish that's worn the number 9 over the years (although admittedly not since squads were introduced). It's not been all Shearers and Milburns. I liked Martins anyway. as did I. I've been lambasted for defending the guy on here many a time and I'll continue to defend him tbh. Everyone could see his limitations, everyone knew he was unpredictable, but at the end of the the day he scored goals at a consistent rate in the number nine shirt. Fair play to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 When we brought Martins, he was one of the biggest attacking talents in Europe. So that justified the no 9 jersey. The problem was that he arrived at totally wrong point in time. He was very unstable as a player. Had some terrific displays ( I will never forget his goal away against Tham) but also some matches where he could miss everything. Had he benefited from the wisdom of Sir Bobby we could have molded him into a good player. But instead he served under some of the worst managers known to man. No wonder we didn't manage to realize Martin's potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 To be honest, I dont think any manager would improve Martins as a player. He had his raw ingrediants but refining him was difficult due to his innate stupidity as a footballer. People talk about players having "football brains"- put Oba's in a hazelnut and it would still rattle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 To be honest, I dont think any manager would improve Martins as a player. He had his raw ingrediants but refining him was difficult due to his innate stupidity as a footballer. People talk about players having "football brains"- put Oba's in a hazelnut and it would still rattle. I think he looked at his best for us when he was playing in Keegan's 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 To be honest, I dont think any manager would improve Martins as a player. He had his raw ingrediants but refining him was difficult due to his innate stupidity as a footballer. People talk about players having "football brains"- put Oba's in a hazelnut and it would still rattle. I think he looked at his best for us when he was playing in Keegan's 4-3-3. Yeah, he finished that season well. He may well have flourished long term in a more attacking side (like KKs 433) but when we hit the skids in 08/09 and had our backs to the wall, he was the last type of player we needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 To be honest, I dont think any manager would improve Martins as a player. He had his raw ingrediants but refining him was difficult due to his innate stupidity as a footballer. People talk about players having "football brains"- put Oba's in a hazelnut and it would still rattle. I think he looked at his best for us when he was playing in Keegan's 4-3-3. Yeah, he finished that season well. He may well have flourished long term in a more attacking side (like KKs 433) but when we hit the skids in 08/09 and had our backs to the wall, he was the last type of player we needed. That penalty against Arsenal man, what a tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 What was stupid about giving it to Martins? Because he's as much a no.9 player as Harper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 f***ing hell, what's with the Martins bashing? Yes, he was unbearably s*** at times but his goalscoring record here was 39 in 105, which is 1 in 2.6. You can't argue with that figure, really. He gets stick because he could have been so much better. Give Michael Owen Martins' body and he'd have been the best striker about. He just had nowt upstairs. Will never forgive him for pissing that penalty against Arsenal either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 f***ing hell, what's with the Martins bashing? Yes, he was unbearably s*** at times but his goalscoring record here was 39 in 105, which is 1 in 2.6. You can't argue with that figure, really. Calm the fuck down man. Who was talking about his ability? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 What was stupid about giving it to Martins? Because he's as much a no.9 player as Harper. How's that like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I just dont think he ever appreciated what a desperate situation we were in and was still jogging around without a care in the world as we slipped into the mire. Even his goal v Boro was a lucky shank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I just dont think he ever appreciated what a desperate situation we were in and was still jogging around without a care in the world as we slipped into the mire. Even his goal v Boro was a lucky shank. Tbf, he clearly wasn't fit at the end of that season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 What was stupid about giving it to Martins? Because he's as much a no.9 player as Harper. How's that like? Because I'm a traditionalist. I think the no.9 should be worn by a proper centre forward. I wouldn't give Martins the no.9 just like I wouldn't have given it to Bellamy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 What was stupid about giving it to Martins? Because he's as much a no.9 player as Harper. How's that like? Because I'm a traditionalist. I think the no.9 should be worn by a proper centre forward. I wouldn't give Martins the no.9 just like I wouldn't have given it to Bellamy. I don't understand how he's not a proper centre forward? Because he's quick? He's nothing like Bellamy, Martins' game is all about goals, even if he's not brilliant at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 He was more of a poor man's Yakubu imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merseyside Mag Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Anyone remember Oba's penalty against Everton? Bloody hell that was poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The one against Arsenal was unforgiveable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I just dont think he ever appreciated what a desperate situation we were in and was still jogging around without a care in the world as we slipped into the mire. Even his goal v Boro was a lucky shank. But the player group was in total disarray. Owen (c***) was only present on training, but left for home immediately afterwards. I even read rumors when players were together they grouped according to race. if you were trained by imbeciles I guess that would have affected your mood. Football players are not machines. If their boss stink, that will affect team performance. That goes for us too: If our boss is incompetent, or there's bullies at your workplace, those factors will make us perform below par. If you had slotted HBA into the group environment which Martins had to suffer under, he would probably gone on strike, demanding to be sold.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Mark Douglas: No #nufc game this weekend but our Sunday Sun feature should be of interest. Key figure in transfer efforts giving a v.rare interview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Carr? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Carr? Probably. Doubt it'll be anyone else. Pardew is a media whore and Llambias/Ashley don't speak to the press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Carr? Probably. Doubt it'll be anyone else. Pardew is a media whore and Llambias/Ashley don't speak to the press. Aye it is. (Douglas' twitter feed) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Alan-Pardew-says-managing-Newcastle-is-too-easy-and-wants-to-make-it-harder-by-having-more-top-players-to-choose-from-article713790.html Pardew: My job is too easy Published 23:00 14/03/11 By Simon Bird Alan Pardew says managing Newcastle is too easy - because he hasn't got enough top players to choose from. The Newcastle boss reckons it is a simple job for him to pick United’s team, and that most fans agree with his first-choice line-up. Pardew is determined to pack his squad with more options during a summer of rebuilding, so the merits of his team selections will cause more debate. Mike Ashley has pledged to hand Pardew the £35million raised by the sale of Andy Carroll to spend on fees and wages - although it is unclear if signing Cheik Tiote on a new six-year deal has already eaten up a big chunk of that cash. Pardew wants versatility, with new recruits able to challenge in a couple of positions, rather than carry a bloated squad. "I don’t want to necessarily increase the size of the squad too much, but I do want to increase the competition for places," he said. "At times, we lack that. In terms of the starting XI, most Newcastle fans would pick the same side - and that’s a worry for me as a manager. “Why isn’t there more competition? There should be more questions for me to answer at a club this size. We should be sitting here and we could all come up with a different formation and a different team. “It’s too easy to pick the team and we are paying the cost of that now, with the injuries. The best players have played every week.” Jose Enrique, a target for Liverpool, Italian and Spanish clubs, is the club’s only experienced left-back. "I don’t necessarily want two top-level left-backs, but you need somebody who is comfortable playing there," added Pardew. "You need somebody like Phil Neville at Everton, who can play left-back, right-back, centre midfield... “That saves you a lot of money. They call them utility players and you need someone who can play in three different positions. A player like that would be important to us next year. “I don’t mean two players in every position - I mean a wide player who can play on both wings, for example. I don’t want to lose the focus of the group. I want to keep it tight and relatively small and easy to manage. “I’ve made that mistake before - it happened to me at West Ham, the squad got too big and it was difficult to focus the group. We need to protect the spirit here.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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