Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I thought this thread was called Transfer rumours in the press? not my rumours as that's another thread. You'll soon realize it's all the same. Well no, otherwise I would post in the other thread..... not related to the press tool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I thought this thread was called Transfer rumours in the press? not my rumours as that's another thread. You'll soon realize it's all the same. Well no, otherwise I would post in the other thread..... not related to the press tool It's all in the press' heads, man. It's all in everybody's heads. There is no reality, there is no us. What is this place? Is this real life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 OK, you've posted a sensible statement there in 2 sentences. He needs to be able to last 90 minutes and hold up the ball. You've earlier mentioned his poor natural fitness and his need for hypertrophy of his muscles, when in actual fact most cases of poor strength are from poor muscular endurance rather than poor explosive strength. Also, our lack of fitness seems to be squad wide, minus some exceptions. I just don't get your continued picking out of Guthrie being weaker than your average. You've said it once, fair enough. But putting Guthrie on an individual weight training program and/or improving his fitness by improving his anaerobic capacity is ludicrous when he's mostly an aerobic player. He needs more time doing what he does naturally against better opposition to best improve his srength and endurance as he'll then have improvements in the area's he uses naturally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Come on, man. He gets knocked off the ball like a rag doll, it's an issue of size and exertion. And you can't argue for a second that his stamina isn't lacking, he just needs to work on it. I haven't singled Guthrie out, Colo is another one who needs to adapt his physical form, as is Nolan, clearly. With Guthrie, it's a case of a very talented footballer being significantly restricted by something fairly simple to improve upon. Has there ever been a genuinely successful central midfielder in the history of the PL who couldn't impose himself physically? Doubtful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 John pantsil linked in notw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 OK. I do agree with that. But I don't think the answer is singling him out for specific strength training in the gym and anaerobic circuit training (it may not have been yourself that mention the CT). That is putting far too much emphasis on a quality he will never have. He's about 70% slow twitch, its going to be nye on impossible to turn him into a zippy rugged CM. What he is, I feel, is a very clever passer and a brain where he can think 3 or 4 passes ahead as well as having great weight and direction to his passing. That is something we severely lack and I wouldn't want to put tha at risk for him being stronger. We aren't going to get many decent assists next year, Guthries touch will be important for us getting goals and I think doing too much to his physique will be dangerous in that respect. Unfortunately he won't get stronger in the centre until he learns how to hold himself and has the muscle memory to deal with it. Similarly with his stamina, he'll only improve effectively by playing his game more often. Then his muscles will have the endurance to utilise their strength more often and for longer and his lung capacity will naturally increase. Unfortunately, he'll be a weak little shit for a while, its a question of whether we can afford to wait until training over a long period and matches improve this whilst utilising his strengths and covering for his weaknesses elsewhere, or we ditch his strengths and plug for someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 There must be really nothing happening if that's the best they can come up with By the NOTW http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/894391/BAGGIES-BIDDING-FOR-FULHAMS-PANTSIL.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Sunday Sun picked up on the Arevalo story http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/newcastle-utd/newcastle-utd-news/2010/08/01/uruguayan-world-cup-star-could-join-united-79310-26967951/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Sunday Sun picked up on the Arevalo story http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/newcastle-utd/newcastle-utd-news/2010/08/01/uruguayan-world-cup-star-could-join-united-79310-26967951/ We don't have a player of that type in the squad, so I think he'd be a good buy. It's not 100% clear from that article who's making the running though - whether it's Penarol or the agent eager to find a club, or whether it's us eager to sign him. Bit like the Ben Arfa story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 I think he's co-owned, hence the confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Few papers reckon Cleverley will decide wether to join us or Blackpool this week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Blackpool? Who'd join Blackpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Blackpool? Who'd join Blackpool? He will probably play every singel minut for Blackpool, so for his development a move there would be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 If the reason we don't get TC is because we can't guarentee he'll play regularly, we should be fucking shot. He's got more in his locker than any of our current lot put together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 If the reason we don't get TC is because we can't guarentee he'll play regularly, we should be f***ing shot. He's got more in his locker than any of our current lot put together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 OK. I do agree with that. But I don't think the answer is singling him out for specific strength training in the gym and anaerobic circuit training (it may not have been yourself that mention the CT). That is putting far too much emphasis on a quality he will never have. He's about 70% slow twitch, its going to be nye on impossible to turn him into a zippy rugged CM. What he is, I feel, is a very clever passer and a brain where he can think 3 or 4 passes ahead as well as having great weight and direction to his passing. That is something we severely lack and I wouldn't want to put tha at risk for him being stronger. We aren't going to get many decent assists next year, Guthries touch will be important for us getting goals and I think doing too much to his physique will be dangerous in that respect. Unfortunately he won't get stronger in the centre until he learns how to hold himself and has the muscle memory to deal with it. Similarly with his stamina, he'll only improve effectively by playing his game more often. Then his muscles will have the endurance to utilise their strength more often and for longer and his lung capacity will naturally increase. Unfortunately, he'll be a weak little s*** for a while, its a question of whether we can afford to wait until training over a long period and matches improve this whilst utilising his strengths and covering for his weaknesses elsewhere, or we ditch his strengths and plug for someone else. there are many players of slight build who can hold onto the ball and not be forced off it. guthrie's problem is less one of bulk as much as ability and confidence in it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcmichael Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Reckon Blackpool would be more attractive for TC as he would play every game for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Who would you drop for Cleverly though? Jonas is an international player who we know is good enough. Routledge was one of our best players last season. Yes we need back up but maybe he's too good to be a backup player. Especially when we're desperate for players in other areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Who would you drop for Cleverly though? Jonas is an international player who we know is good enough. Routledge was one of our best players last season. Yes we need back up but maybe he's too good to be a backup player. Especially when we're desperate for players in other areas. On the assumption that Nolan will be in the line-up no matter what and that Routledge & Jonas are going to be on the wings, it'll be one of Smith / Guthrie / Barton bring dropped in a 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Reckon Blackpool would be more attractive for TC as he would play every game for them. It's not about just playing though, he could do that in the Championship, he'd be playing with a better quality of player here (I think...) and thus it would benefit him more. I don't think Hughton is daft enough to sign a player an then bench him if he plays well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcmichael Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Who would you drop for Cleverly though? Jonas is an international player who we know is good enough. Routledge was one of our best players last season. Yes we need back up but maybe he's too good to be a backup player. Especially when we're desperate for players in other areas. On the assumption that Nolan will be in the line-up no matter what and that Routledge & Jonas are going to be on the wings, it'll be one of Smith / Guthrie / Barton bring dropped in a 4-4-2. I think we will play 4-4-1-1 most of the games this season with Nolan behind Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Who would you drop for Cleverly though? Jonas is an international player who we know is good enough. Routledge was one of our best players last season. Yes we need back up but maybe he's too good to be a backup player. Especially when we're desperate for players in other areas. On the assumption that Nolan will be in the line-up no matter what and that Routledge & Jonas are going to be on the wings, it'll be one of Smith / Guthrie / Barton bring dropped in a 4-4-2. ahhhh. I was under the assumption that Cleverley was an out and out winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Reckon Blackpool would be more attractive for TC as he would play every game for them. Not much good when you're chasing the ball 70% of the game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Reckon Blackpool would be more attractive for TC as he would play every game for them. Not much good when you're chasing the ball 70% of the game though. Just like us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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