Carlito Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 To me it's mental that they rate a lad who the farmed out on loan for half of last season at £20m, yet they'll no doubt keep him out of the starting 11 next season were he to stay there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 They spent £15m on Fellaini, £9m on Bilyaletdinov, £6m on Heitinga, £11m on Yakubu. They can spend from time to time, even with their £70m-ish turnover. Our turnover is £30m more. We'll be able to spend, man. They only spend on transfers what they bring in through sales. Apparently we can't even do that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Imo it's definitely possible to put together a deal that would entice Sturridge, but admittedly that's based on him being a rational human being and not a simpleton with spinning dollar signs for eyes. Or a cunt of an agent. Irrespective of what he's on at Chelsea I think it's pretty safe to assume he's already a rich man. Pulling figures out of a magic hat - offer 57k a week + 5k/goal, guaranteed starting position if fit, and pushing for CL football in 2 seasons, if we don't make it willing to sell at same price we bought. (Because by then if someone is willing to buy he'll go for moere than we paid anyway, at least in theory. - And providing there isn't a Minimum release fee) I'd open the bidding at 15 or 16m hoping to grab him for 18m tops and sell it to him on the guaranteed starting position and the clubs ambition to challenge - look at the other players we're bringing in etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 It's nice to get some decent bosmans in for a change, but it'll be interesting to see how we spend our cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'd love Sturridge here no doubt but £20 million is simply too steep imo. He would of been my number one target, given it's our priority position. Indeed, but my main issue is the asking price, if we can haggle them down to £15 million and thus save that £5 million that can be used elsewhere, then by all means sign him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I see us as a bigger, financially-stronger version of Everton in a couple of years time. They spend within their means but can still make the £10-15m signings as well as keep their best players, pay good wages and can put up a challenge for the top 6. Since we have a bigger stadium and greater revenues, I see us challenging for 6th in a year or two's time and still have the capacity to push on - the capacity that Everton obviously don't have. Maybe I'm in dreamland here and Ashley will probably fuck it up by doing something stupid like he's done every single year, but it's not too unrealistic to expect us to be a bigger version of Everton in two years. And a bigger version of Everton is pretty much one good season away from breaking the top 4 much like Spurs did. Everton hardly spend a penny and they don't keep their best players. Their squad is absolutely tiny. Hence Kenwright being a hate figure. The only thing that keeps Everton where they are is David Moyes. I won't disagree that the man's been a miracle worker for us. It stands out more than a rah in the Percy Arms that what we need is some money to get a quality striker in. There are other issues but if we can add a quality striker to the ranks (sound similar to anyone?) then I'd be delighted. Aiming for us next year (well, that 7th/8th spot, whatever you want to call it) is a perfectly understandable and realistic target. However a word of caution: every summer I read "yeah, Everton will fall away next season", and every year, we don't. I don't see us falling away next year either but we've obviously got a massive wall in front of us in terms of moving forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I think we'll spend £15m net this summer (Barnetta/N'Zogbia and Erdinc). Maybe more if we can get a good price for Matuidi, which would take us to £25m net spending. I think that would make this one of the best windows we've had for many, many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 It's nice to get some decent bosmans in for a change, but it'll be interesting to see how we spend our cash. Pards has already said that the money off Liverpool will be reinvested into transfer fees and contracts. So whilst we've got Ba and Marvellous on freebies, their contracts have probably gobbled up a fair slice of the Carroll money already. Anyone who seriously expects to see £35million to be spent on transfer fees this summer, is just setting themselves up for disappointment. We need to focus less on what's being spent and more on whom its being spent on. The three deals so far all seem like good additions, although I'll be the first to admit I've never seen Cabaye and Marv play before. It's a good start, although offset by the loss of Nolan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I see us as a bigger, financially-stronger version of Everton in a couple of years time. They spend within their means but can still make the £10-15m signings as well as keep their best players, pay good wages and can put up a challenge for the top 6. Since we have a bigger stadium and greater revenues, I see us challenging for 6th in a year or two's time and still have the capacity to push on - the capacity that Everton obviously don't have. Maybe I'm in dreamland here and Ashley will probably f*** it up by doing something stupid like he's done every single year, but it's not too unrealistic to expect us to be a bigger version of Everton in two years. And a bigger version of Everton is pretty much one good season away from breaking the top 4 much like Spurs did. Everton hardly spend a penny and they don't keep their best players. Their squad is absolutely tiny. Hence Kenwright being a hate figure. The only thing that keeps Everton where they are is David Moyes. I won't disagree that the man's been a miracle worker for us. It stands out more than a rah in the Percy Arms that what we need is some money to get a quality striker in. There are other issues but if we can add a quality striker to the ranks (sound similar to anyone?) then I'd be delighted. Aiming for us next year (well, that 7th/8th spot, whatever you want to call it) is a perfectly understandable and realistic target. However a word of caution: every summer I read "yeah, Everton will fall away next season", and every year, we don't. I don't see us falling away next year either but we've obviously got a massive wall in front of us in terms of moving forwards. I'd be keeping hold of the Yak, there's still a decent striker in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. The latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. Sturridge and Barnetta. Whilst I will not dispute that N'Zogbia is a class act, I don't want him anywhere near the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. The latter. Ditto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 The latter for sure. Sturridge is top class. He's probably worth close to £20m, and in an ideal world we'd be able to spend that and still get in Barnetta and a central midfielder. At this point in time I think if we bought Sturridge our budget would be blown, and we have too many holes in the squad at the moment. Like I said, in a year or two's time we should definitely be financially capable of spending £15-20m on a player, which is why right now I'd go for the Barnetta/Erdinc/Matuidi combo for £25m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'd give detailed reasons why but my keyboard is f***ed. Basically we need a proven goal scorer greater than a proven provider. I also think Barnetta would take to the Premier League like a duck to water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodson Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. Zog + Bendtner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. Or I'd buy N'Zogbia & Sturridge and take a downgrade on the left-back with Warnock rather than spend £6m or whatever for M'Bengue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 It's nice to get some decent bosmans in for a change, but it'll be interesting to see how we spend our cash. Pards has already said that the money off Liverpool will be reinvested into transfer fees and contracts. So whilst we've got Ba and Marvellous on freebies, their contracts have probably gobbled up a fair slice of the Carroll money already. Anyone who seriously expects to see £35million to be spent on transfer fees this summer, is just setting themselves up for disappointment. We need to focus less on what's being spent and more on whom its being spent on. The three deals so far all seem like good additions, although I'll be the first to admit I've never seen Cabaye and Marv play before. It's a good start, although offset by the loss of Nolan. All money coming into the club has to be balanced against all outgoings, however that doesn't mean that any contract we give a player should be fully paid using the money from Carroll. That would be quite a poor excuse for the club to use. You also have to take into account the fact that Carroll, Kuqi, Nolan and Campbells wages have now gone from the club, those will likely cover the wages of Cabaye, Marveaux and Ba, or pretty close at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Fwiw I'd go with the latter too. I know the Sturridge link is tenuous as owt but just thought it was an interesting question hypothetically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Definitely Sturridge and Barnetta. I'm not too keen on N'Zog for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 The latter for sure. Sturridge is top class. He's probably worth close to £20m, and in an ideal world we'd be able to spend that and still get in Barnetta and a central midfielder. At this point in time I think if we bought Sturridge our budget would be blown, and we have too many holes in the squad at the moment. Like I said, in a year or two's time we should definitely be financially capable of spending £15-20m on a player, which is why right now I'd go for the Barnetta/Erdinc/Matuidi combo for £25m. Where are these holes? The only real gaping hole is up front imo. I'd rather spend that money on Sturridge than cover for three, four, five positions. While I don't think our depth is particularly great in terms of quality, I don't want to see us spend our money on buying "cover". As we've mentioned Everton, I would prefer a top quality first team ahead of massive depth in terms of numbers like we have at the moment, which is the principle they generally operate on. I think you're overplaying our financial crisis tbh. I just don't see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Hypothetical question. What would people rather have? N'Zogbia and Erding. Or Sturridge and Barnetta. That's under the consideration that signing both Zog and Sturridge would be too expensive. Sturridge and Barnetta. Whilst I will not dispute that N'Zogbia is a class act, I don't want him anywhere near the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Whats Barnetta valued at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'd love to see Sturridge here but Ba for me can be our 15 goals a season man and in Ameobi and Best we have adequate back-up so I'd actually like us to buy a second forward if you like who will not cost mega money and wages which Sturridge no doubt will. I don't think we need to spend mega money to get the kind of players we need which we have proved recently and in the past with Tiote and Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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