James Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I'd play: James Johnson Terry Upson Cole Gerrard Barry Cole Rooney Crouch Defoe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 FABIO LISTEN TO THE FANS FFS ............................................JAMES................................................ JOHNSON.............TERRY.......................DAWSON...................COLE LENNON...............BARRY.......................LAMPARD...................COLE ......................................GERRARD.................................................. ......................................ROONEY................................................... 90% of the country will back this formation. You really need to be able to see this even in those shocking glasses you wear. Becks and Pearce need to grow a pair and insist it! looks even better if you push lennon and cole onto the same line as gerrard. Absolutely! How Joe Cole still hasn't made it onto the pitch I will never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. He's not one of the best managers in the world if he cannot motivate his players and help them handle the pressure of a big tournament. End of the day he picked the squad, he's picked the two teams and he made the subs, its his fault we are where we are, just as much as the players. He needs to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Hart G.Johnson Terry Jagielka A.Cole A.Johnson Barry Lampard J.Cole Gerrard Rooney But aye, I'd go for Sicko's selection too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. He's not one of the best managers in the world if he cannot motivate his players and help them handle the pressure of a big tournament. End of the day he picked the squad, he's picked the two teams and he made the subs, its his fault we are where we are, just as much as the players. He needs to go. There isn't that much to pick from, I say that every world cup. The problem with people living in England is that they watch sky for two weeks swallow all the hype and then start blaming everything but the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Shooting and passing is down to tactics though, they contained us well and closed down, something needs to be done to break that. He couldn't think of anything, swapping Lennon for SWP isn't going to change things, its more of the same. Face it, the guy isn't getting it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Curious how the FA keep going for the same type of managers. Maybe they feel they got their fingers burnt with Keegan - trouble is by now their entire hands have been incinerated by Eriksson, McClaren and now Capello. If we get through this group stage then it's a clean slate for Capello up to a point - if we go out before then I can't see how he can remain in the job, pity he's just signed a bumper new contract, another disastrous FA decision to give him that before we've kicked a ball, Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. He's not one of the best managers in the world if he cannot motivate his players and help them handle the pressure of a big tournament. End of the day he picked the squad, he's picked the two teams and he made the subs, its his fault we are where we are, just as much as the players. He needs to go. There isn't that much to pick from, I say that every world cup. The problem with people living in England is that they watch sky for two weeks swallow all the hype and then start blaming everything but the players. There's enough though, certainly enough to be doing better than this. That last sentence hasn't really got anything to do with anything here tbf, I'll put it down to Parkymongering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Shooting and passing is down to tactics though, they contained us well and closed down, something needs to be done to break that. He couldn't think of anything, swapping Lennon for SWP isn't going to change things, its more of the same. Face it, the guy isn't getting it right. Tactics weren't the big problem, tbh. The players just couldn't play football. Their touch, decision-making, passing, shooting was all wrong. It's like Lewis Hamilton blaming the car when he's simply forgotten how to drive. A tactical/formation change might help but only in that it'll help the players play without shitting themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Even more tiresome as the "England will definitely win the World Cup, have you seen the players we've got?" is the inevitable "England's players are just not good enough" drivel. I've seen enough Newcastle hammerings at the hands of Steven Gerrard and Wayne Rooney to know if they turn it on, on the day there are very few sides who would be able to stop them. Getting it out of them is another matter and something the manager has to take responsibility for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 The problem is the anger dies down and the players somehow become the heroes - If we go out at the group stage Rooney will be hammered over the next few months, then the premiership will start, he will start on fire ramming it back down our throats and all will be forgotton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 We'll still win our group. E A S Y. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Shooting and passing is down to tactics though, they contained us well and closed down, something needs to be done to break that. He couldn't think of anything, swapping Lennon for SWP isn't going to change things, its more of the same. Face it, the guy isn't getting it right. If the wings are blocked then the team has to play through the middle, but English players don't really have the technique or nous to play cleverly through the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Capello is definitely as much at fault as the players. He's trying to get them to play like Italians, but either because of some Anglo-Italo failure of communication, or simply because the players aren't up for it/used to it, it doesn't work. I'm thinking of the whole thing of no one running at the opposition, the ball getting passed sideways or back, us constantly moving backwards. Backwards is not necessarily a problem. The Italian thing would be to keep the ball and sweep it back and forth across the back four while the players in front of them jostle, weave and make runs to try and try and stretch and pull the opposition out of position and so on. But we don't/can't do that. We just pass it backwards until someone ends up under pressure and punts it hopefully forward. It's the triumph/failure of imposing a system over making the best of what you've got. What we've now got is a sullen bunch of players who don't "get" the system, and seem to be losing interest in trying to make it work. Add that to the target man/Rooney thing (makes no diff whether it's Heskey or Crouch) meaning our star striker plays too deep, the left wing disabled because Gerrard comes inside and A Cole, without support, can't release his marauding instincts, and the right wing likewise weak because none of the fuckers who play there can put in a decent cross, and what you get it is the pathetic, toothless mongrel of a display we saw last night. And along the way (although this problem predates Capello) we've lost those things which were supposed to be our traditional strengths -- power, passion, commitment, never-say-die and all that jazz. Yesterday the USA could fight back from what the EPSN announcer called a "minus two goal differential". Our lot don't look remotely capable of that. Does it need an English manager to bring all this out? Maybe it does. But there aren't any, except maybe Hodgson, and he's a bit of an anomaly. Or 'Arry Redknapp. Why no other candidates? There's something wrong at the heart of the whole English football setup. Beyond even Capello, I blame the FA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. He's not one of the best managers in the world if he cannot motivate his players and help them handle the pressure of a big tournament. End of the day he picked the squad, he's picked the two teams and he made the subs, its his fault we are where we are, just as much as the players. He needs to go. There isn't that much to pick from, I say that every world cup. The problem with people living in England is that they watch sky for two weeks swallow all the hype and then start blaming everything but the players. There's enough though, certainly enough to be doing better than this. That last sentence hasn't really got anything to do with anything here tbf, I'll put it down to Parkymongering. Bascially having lived away from England for most of the last 5 years I can see with fresh eyes how deluded we are about almost everything, all stoked up by a predatory popular media. Basically most of the England players are too cosetted at their clubs, surrounded by money, cars, big tits, diamonds, slavering club TV, boot sponsors, agents living in Monaco, carpet slippers, rub downs, microwave cooking, Big Brother, easy games against 2/3 of the PL who can't spend on foreign talent, reading difficulties, poor football brains (if brains at all), mooning, beer gardens, greasy food...Then like some miracle we expect these deluded players to put down those papers they are reading about how great they are and perform against national sides where appearing at a world cup is actually a higlight of their career and not something interfearing with summer holidays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 FABIO LISTEN TO THE FANS FFS ............................................JAMES................................................ JOHNSON.............TERRY.......................DAWSON...................COLE LENNON...............BARRY.......................LAMPARD...................COLE ......................................GERRARD.................................................. ......................................ROONEY................................................... 90% of the country will back this formation. You really need to be able to see this even in those shocking glasses you wear. Becks and Pearce need to grow a pair and insist it! Unfortunately, I think it's the wrong game to play that formation. Slovenia only need a draw, we need to win, so it'll a matter of trying to break down their defence. We won't be able to go through them so we need some aerial ability. I'd play Crouch rather than Heskey, because he's more likely to win some clean headers in the box and is a better finisher. His lack of pace won't be important in that game. Having said that, no formation is going to work unless Capello can free the players up mentally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Shooting and passing is down to tactics though, they contained us well and closed down, something needs to be done to break that. He couldn't think of anything, swapping Lennon for SWP isn't going to change things, its more of the same. Face it, the guy isn't getting it right. If the wings are blocked then the team has to play through the middle, but English players don't really have the technique or nous to play cleverly through the middle. Nobody has mentioned the left as far as I can see yet. How the fuck can you be expected to play through the middle when you don't have two wingers and/or fullbacks pulling the Algerian defence as far wide as possible? And while Gerrard is roaming about clogging up the space that Lampard and Rooney should be using? Ashley Cole is a very, very good attacking left-back. He couldn't do a fucking thing yesterday because he never had anything in front of him. Our fullbacks are two of our best bets for creating something and offering an outlet with pace and direct running, while Barry holds in front of the two central defenders, but Cole in particular has been totally neutered by the formation. The left is the problem, again. He's either going to have to grow some stones and drop Lampard for Joe Cole (I like Lamps, but there's no way Gerrard will be dropped), to stick with his 4-4-2, or he's going to have to push Gerrard up behind Rooney and bring Cole in for Heskey to go to the vogue (and often effective) 4-1-4-1/4-2-3-1/4-5-1 system that looks our best bet on paper. We have no penetration on either flank, in reality, but if the left is built-up with a partnership then it should allow the right a lot more space to work with (as we saw at Newcastle when Routledge arrived). Adam Johnson should definitely be there, as well. I could have even stomached Downing to have a left-footer as an option. EDIT: Just saw Ozzie mention it directly before me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Capello is definitely as much at fault as the players. He's trying to get them to play like Italians, but either because of some Anglo-Italo failure of communication, or simply because the players aren't up for it/used to it, it doesn't work. I'm thinking of the whole thing of no one running at the opposition, the ball getting passed sideways or back, us constantly moving backwards. Backwards is not necessarily a problem. The Italian thing would be to keep the ball and sweep it back and forth across the back four while the players in front of them jostle, weave and make runs to try and try and stretch and pull the opposition out of position and so on. But we don't/can't do that. We just pass it backwards until someone ends up under pressure and punts it hopefully forward. It's the triumph/failure of imposing a system over making the best of what you've got. What we've now got is a sullen bunch of players who don't "get" the system, and seem to be losing interest in trying to make it work. Add that to the target man/Rooney thing (makes no diff whether it's Heskey or Crouch) meaning our star striker plays too deep, the left wing disabled because Gerrard comes inside and A Cole, without support, can't release his marauding instincts, and the right wing likewise weak because none of the fuckers who play there can put in a decent cross, and what you get it is the pathetic, toothless mongrel of a display we saw last night. And along the way (although this problem predates Capello) we've lost those things which were supposed to be our traditional strengths -- power, passion, commitment, never-say-die and all that jazz. Yesterday the USA could fight back from what the EPSN announcer called a "minus two goal differential". Our lot don't look remotely capable of that. Does it need an English manager to bring all this out? Maybe it does. But there aren't any, except maybe Hodgson, and he's a bit of an anomaly. Or 'Arry Redknapp. Why no other candidates? There's something wrong at the heart of the whole English football setup. Beyond even Capello, I blame the FA. The whole organisation has duck for brains. Find the quacking solve the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Capello is definitely as much at fault as the players. He's trying to get them to play like Italians, but either because of some Anglo-Italo failure of communication, or simply because the players aren't up for it/used to it, it doesn't work. I'm thinking of the whole thing of no one running at the opposition, the ball getting passed sideways or back, us constantly moving backwards. Backwards is not necessarily a problem. The Italian thing would be to keep the ball and sweep it back and forth across the back four while the players in front of them jostle, weave and make runs to try and try and stretch and pull the opposition out of position and so on. But we don't/can't do that. We just pass it backwards until someone ends up under pressure and punts it hopefully forward. It's the triumph/failure of imposing a system over making the best of what you've got. What we've now got is a sullen bunch of players who don't "get" the system, and seem to be losing interest in trying to make it work. Add that to the target man/Rooney thing (makes no diff whether it's Heskey or Crouch) meaning our star striker plays too deep, the left wing disabled because Gerrard comes inside and A Cole, without support, can't release his marauding instincts, and the right wing likewise weak because none of the fuckers who play there can put in a decent cross, and what you get it is the pathetic, toothless mongrel of a display we saw last night. And along the way (although this problem predates Capello) we've lost those things which were supposed to be our traditional strengths -- power, passion, commitment, never-say-die and all that jazz. Yesterday the USA could fight back from what the EPSN announcer called a "minus two goal differential". Our lot don't look remotely capable of that. Does it need an English manager to bring all this out? Maybe it does. But there aren't any, except maybe Hodgson, and he's a bit of an anomaly. Or 'Arry Redknapp. Why no other candidates? There's something wrong at the heart of the whole English football setup. Beyond even Capello, I blame the FA. Good post. I wonder about the logic of now having appointed two managers who have never managed in the Premier League. Surely that's got to be a hindrance given that every one of our players plays there? Capello and Eriksson have no experience of the English game yet we expect them to be able to put players from the English league into a system and style of play that suits them. Obviously we've had dud English England managers before but rarely have they had records like Eriksson or, in particular, Capello. We either appoint shite English managers or successful foreigners. We haven't got any successful Englishmen so maybe the next step is to try a foreign manager with English experience. Someone get Arsene's phone number ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Shooting and passing is down to tactics though, they contained us well and closed down, something needs to be done to break that. He couldn't think of anything, swapping Lennon for SWP isn't going to change things, its more of the same. Face it, the guy isn't getting it right. If the wings are blocked then the team has to play through the middle, but English players don't really have the technique or nous to play cleverly through the middle. Nobody has mentioned the left as far as I can see yet. How the fuck can you be expected to play through the middle when you don't have two wingers and/or fullbacks pulling the Algerian defence as far wide as possible? And while Gerrard is roaming about clogging up the space that Lampard and Rooney should be using? Ashley Cole is a very, very good attacking left-back. He couldn't do a fucking thing yesterday because he never had anything in front of him. Our fullbacks are two of our best bets for creating something and offering an outlet with pace and direct running, while Barry holds in front of the two central defenders, but Cole in particular has been totally neutered by the formation. The left is the problem, again. He's either going to have to grow some stones and drop Lampard for Joe Cole (I like Lamps, but there's no way Gerrard will be dropped), to stick with his 4-4-2, or he's going to have to push Gerrard up behind Rooney and bring Cole in for Heskey to go to the vogue (and often effective) 4-1-4-1/4-2-3-1/4-5-1 system that looks our best bet on paper. We have no penetration on either flank, in reality, but if the left is built-up with a partnership then it should allow the right a lot more space to work with (as we saw at Newcastle when Routledge arrived). Adam Johnson should definitely be there, as well. I could have even stomached Downing to have a left-footer as an option. EDIT: Just saw Ozzie mention it directly before me. Good post. Cole is totally wasted, but I was thinking in the Italian style the full backs aren't encouraged to come up too much, but you've shown the real issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Gutted I never backed the draw at 5/1. Was gonna put £20 on and then thought 'nah, even England aren't quite that shit'. They are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Cappello showed last night he's not good enough for the job. He took a questionable team to the world cup to play in one of the easiest groups for a long time and failed miserably, an uninspiring starting XI x2, and couldn't make the right sub if it bit him on the arse. Even if we scrape a win and get through it will be undeserved, and we will more than likely get humped off any half decent team and that will end this miserable world cup. The players will no doubt come out today defending themselves, saying we have a right to moan etc...but we must stick together not the managers fault, usual crap, but truth is none of them fukers on the pitch last night deserve our support again and should tender their resignation from the squad immediately allowing players who actually give a shit a chance . I've never seen such a non-english display of football in my life. Were generally not good technically and lack the spark of the better teams, but we usually play with heart, passion and commitment, and i've not seen any of that so far and in the two games we've played there is less and less of it. If form follows our next game we will be wheeling out coffins with the players in, they lack that much effort and desire. If Cappello plays Heskey in the next game, or pairs Lampard and Gerrard and or doesn't play Joe Cole he should be sacked before kick off and let Stuart Pearce take over, because the old Italian bastard will never learn or understand WTF he's doing. Two year contract extension FFS, that's how stupid our FA is. Capello is one of the best managers in the world, the problem lies with the players, they seem to be in some kind of coccon where if they aren't humping the likes of Burnley or Wigan (helped by a team of costly foreign players), they don't really seem to know how to make things happen. it lies 75% players, 25% manager, capello's tactics are just sooo italian, try to contain the opposition and hope we nick a goal, it's rubbish and i won't buy into the fact he's untouchable! he picks the team, and the blame ultimely lies with him Not much he can do if half the side seem to have no first touch or ability to shoot or keep the ball for more than two passes. Shooting and passing is down to tactics though, they contained us well and closed down, something needs to be done to break that. He couldn't think of anything, swapping Lennon for SWP isn't going to change things, its more of the same. Face it, the guy isn't getting it right. Tactics weren't the big problem, tbh. The players just couldn't play football. Their touch, decision-making, passing, shooting was all wrong. It's like Lewis Hamilton blaming the car when he's simply forgotten how to drive. A tactical/formation change might help but only in that it'll help the players play without shitting themselves. I agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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