Dave Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 IMO, if he has abit of a poor start after coming back from injury this board will implode. Strange assumption. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Its just the way this place works, he will be called worse than shit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Can't see why. He's a young player coming off a major injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. What about the 12 million you spent on Yakuba, 6 million on Baines, 4 million on Jagielka and 6 million on Arteta? I know Moyes does a reasonable job budget wise but you have conveniently forgotten abpout some of your other major acquisitions here. I haven't forgotten any signings. As I said, his net spend works out at £4m per season over his entire reign. Oh, and Arteta was £3m iirc not £6m. Man, that's such a bargain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Can't see why. He's a young player coming off a major injury. You are more level headed than most. Personally I'm not going to judge until 2011/2012 as I think circumstances will make him be seen as a huge flop this season on the terraces which will be unfair on a player who obviously has qualities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 might have been posted already but apparently dan gosling was rather upset by the lack of contract offer http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/25/everton-superkid-dan-gosling-wept-over-snub-by-david-moyes-102039-22437128/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 might have been posted already but apparently dan gosling was rather upset by the lack of contract offer http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/25/everton-superkid-dan-gosling-wept-over-snub-by-david-moyes-102039-22437128/ Not back to football until January 2011 says agent. Write off for the whole season then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 might have been posted already but apparently dan gosling was rather upset by the lack of contract offer http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/25/everton-superkid-dan-gosling-wept-over-snub-by-david-moyes-102039-22437128/ Not back to football until January 2011 says agent. Write off for the whole season then Sweeping conclusion. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 might have been posted already but apparently dan gosling was rather upset by the lack of contract offer http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/25/everton-superkid-dan-gosling-wept-over-snub-by-david-moyes-102039-22437128/ Not back to football until January 2011 says agent. Write off for the whole season then Sweeping conclusion. Why? Based on how long it takes players with long term injuries to regain form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 might have been posted already but apparently dan gosling was rather upset by the lack of contract offer http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2010/07/25/everton-superkid-dan-gosling-wept-over-snub-by-david-moyes-102039-22437128/ Not back to football until January 2011 says agent. Write off for the whole season then Sweeping conclusion. Why? Every one of his posts on Gosling say the same, tiresome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 'Superkid' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/07/27/club-statement Tuesday 27 July 2010, 16:50 by Matthew Gamble In the wake of a report in a Sunday newspaper in which the agent of Dan Gosling made a series of allegations, Everton Football Club has decided to take the unprecedented step of setting straight a record of recent events which has, in its opinion, been deliberately distorted. In the article, Mr David Hodgson suggested that not only did this Club not wish to extend Mr Gosling's stay at Goodison Park but that it had been deliberately tardy with regard to the formal offer of a new contract, presuming that an injury sustained by the player during the course of last season was of such a serious nature it would prevent him from signing for another club. Both claims are ludicrous, totally without substance and grossly misleading. The manager of Everton, David Moyes, and the Chairman, Bill Kenwright, contacted Mr Hodgson in November of last year to jointly offer Dan Gosling a new contract. Several subsequent conversations took place during the course of which Mr Hodgson not only indicated that the deal offered would be "fine" but also reaffirmed that a "hand-shake agreement" was in place dating back to when Mr Gosling joined the Club as a 17-year-old in January 2008. It was Everton's understanding that this Gentleman's agreement would guarantee that the player would extend, by at least two years, the three-year deal he signed upon his arrival from Plymouth Argyle. "In the very long history of our Club, our executive team have never once forgotten or neglected to deal properly and professionally with contractual matters," said Mr Kenwright. "We place our trust in people; we always keep our side of any offered deal - and all we have ever asked is that others do the same." Everton's CEO, Robert Elstone, confirmed that the Club had wished to extend Mr Gosling's stay on Merseyside. "We wanted Dan Gosling to stay with us - and, after what we had been told, we expected him to stay with us. However, in the first week in June, Mr Hodgson rang David Moyes seemingly content that he had manoeuvred a situation where Dan was a free agent," he said. Mr Moyes confirmed that he had spoken - on several occasions - to both player and agent in relation to Mr Gosling's progress and future. "Dan came to see me and told me that he saw himself as a central midfield player rather than someone who operated in a wide position," he said. "I did not think at that point that he would get into the Everton team as a central midfield player. "I was always fully aware of the handshake agreement which Dave Hodgson had with a senior Club official regarding Dan's fourth and fifth years - and because of that agreement there wasn't, in my opinion, any necessity to put anything in writing. The first I knew of a problem was when Dave rang me to say that Dan's contract had lapsed and that he would be seeking to leave us on a free transfer. "I told Dave that he had an agreement with the Club which he was now reneging on. We scouted Dan Gosling and brought him in when several other Premier League clubs looked but did not purchase. "We feel aggrieved that they have contrived a situation to get the player out of the Club when, if he had come and said that he wanted to leave, we could at least have done something about it - but at no point did Dan say he wished to leave. "I read at the weekend that he cried when he didn't receive a formal, written offer. Well, trust me, the money Everton were offering was certainly not a crying matter," he added. The Premier League tribunal found that as Everton had relied upon both a verbal and a Gentleman's agreement and had not put a contractual offer in written form before the acknowledged deadline, Mr Gosling was entitled to leave the Club on a free transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/609/smallestviolinwz4.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Christ, they must have borrowed our statement department Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 if they agreed a verbal contract in november then why didnt they give him a written offer before the deadline? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 What have we learned? That agents are dodgy, slippery bastards. Everton were stupid to let this happen regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 What have we learned? That agents are dodgy, slippery bastards. Everton were stupid to let this happen regardless. I think that Everton have learned that verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Everton's HR department must be awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Everton are playing possum. It's quite sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 That article is lacking "IT IS A FACT" in every sentence. Amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 That article is lacking "IT IS A FACT" in every sentence. Amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 That article is lacking "IT IS A FACT" in every sentence. Amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/609/smallestviolinwz4.jpg Excellent That article is lacking "IT IS A FACT" in every sentence. Amateurs. This also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LukeT Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I think that Everton have learned that verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on. You have just blown my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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