Mick Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I thought that apart from his goal which was well taken, he was poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 He was good in the first half. Made a couple of good tackles, ran into the ground and took his goal well. Was pretty wasteful and lethargic in the second half, though. Disappointed not to see him make one or two trademark late runs when Best was winning all of them headers. No way we should sell him, like. Improve on him in the transfer market, sure, but i wouldn't even be looking at just yet. He's a passenger without Tiote, but with the triumverate of Barton, Tiote and him - he plays a crucial role very efficiently. Plus, he's an excellent captain, when he's not on LiverpoolTV, obvs. Selling him would be a bloody joke - i'd be happy having him as a starter next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 FWIW What's your analysis, Stu? All I see there are contradictions and your opinion. You're asking people to expand on their opinions, and move away from 'soundbites', yet you've used several yourself. I know you champion Nolan, and feel like you need to defend him whenever possible, but I'd love to see (figures, graphs, etc) what you see that other people don't. For what its worth, in a 3 game analysis for Newcastle United (Tottenham, Fulham & Arsenal), Kevin Nolan as CM played the fewest passes (most of which were dump passes to a more creative player), the fewest tackles, fewest interceptions, and his average position was dead on the half way line. Once I've submitted the work, I'll post it up on the forum in the tactics thread, so people can read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 No way we should sell him, like. Improve on him in the transfer market, sure, but i wouldn't even be looking at just yet. He's a passenger without Tiote, but with the triumverate of Barton, Tiote and him - he plays a crucial role very efficiently. Plus, he's an excellent captain, when he's not on LiverpoolTV, obvs. Selling him would be a bloody joke - i'd be happy having him as a starter next season. This exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I know this won't be a popular view, but even if he ends the season on 15 Premiership goals (terrific return), ideally he's someone we really need to be selling. There are a whole bunch of reasons that when combined make perfect sense imo, e.g.: - His fitness is already borderline-appalling as it is, - He's nearing the big 3-0, when players tend to decline sharply, - He's very limited as a midfielder, in fact... - He's been a passenger for the majority of our games this season, carried by Tiote for the most part. - His value/stock this summer will be high due to the goals (e.g. £8m sale?), despite the possibility that... - This might be his purple patch, the peak he'll struggle to reach again, especially without Carroll here anymore. Furthermore, - if Tiote can carry him, then why not Ben Arfa, Ireland or Barton in attacking free roles? They're considerably more talented than Nolan. which leads to my next point, - if we spend the Carroll money on a decent pair of strikers and a winger, i.e. if we can get goals elsewhere, Nolan's importance is significantly reduced, and - depending on the type of strikers we'll get (if any), creativity rather than goals may become more important from central midfield. Having said this, I'll not be unhappy if he's still a fixture in our team next season. But even so, moving players on at the right time (i.e. before a significant decline) has always been a major failure at this club, ever since Keegan left (and he was class at being ruthless and getting rid of a player after he's served his purpose in order to improve the team and move the club forward). I totally agree! He brings very little to pitch outside the box. He's carried by Tiote's excellence, which allows him to sneak into the opponent box. He could be a much better player if he wants to though. Some pundits in Norway have ridiculed Nolan's body, stating directly that he looks like a pub player. And I tend to agree. He's 30 soon and should take more responsibility for what he's eating. He's too fat which hurts his overall play (slow, weak stamina and moves too little). But if he pays more attention to his lifestyle he could be able to hold his place next season. Loose a couple of couple of pounds, and he will improve his play considerable imo @ the both of you EDIT: Apologies, I assume the both of you are grown adults who have an undertanding of the game, the club and our recent history. However, on the off chance that you're both teenager newcomers to NUFC, living in some remote arctic tundra, then I apologise for being so blunt. Fanboys are class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 laced in irony, nice work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 FWIW What's your analysis, Stu? All I see there are contradictions and your opinion. You're asking people to expand on their opinions, and move away from 'soundbites', yet you've used several yourself. I know you champion Nolan, and feel like you need to defend him whenever possible, but I'd love to see (figures, graphs, etc) what you see that other people don't. For what its worth, in a 3 game analysis for Newcastle United (Tottenham, Fulham & Arsenal), Kevin Nolan as CM played the fewest passes (most of which were dump passes to a more creative player), the fewest tackles, fewest interceptions, and his average position was dead on the half way line. Once I've submitted the work, I'll post it up on the forum in the tactics thread, so people can read it. Fair play if you do, but I don't really see what points I've made that I haven't provided some sort of support to go with it (if able to). I don't see Nolan as a creative player, I see him as a tidy distributor who tries to get on the end of attacking situations. His most improtant work comes off the ball and in the dressing room by leading the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 He's a leader and he has scored some important goals for us. That is enough to keep him in the team at the moment, but as a footballer he is very limited. I've never rated him, and I think his physical condition lets him down, but I've been forced to admit that he's very important to us at the moment. A team is more than just a collection of the best individuals, and at the moment Nolan is a part of our team. Also, we don't have any decent alternatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Fair play if you do, but I don't really see what points I've made that I haven't provided some sort of support to go with it (if able to). I don't see Nolan as a creative player, I see him as a tidy distributor who tries to get on the end of attacking situations. His most improtant work comes off the ball and in the dressing room by leading the team. Replace him with better and leave him where you think he does his best work and we'll both be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 If he is scoring goals he has to play when they dry up then we should look at dropping & selling him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 FWIW What's your analysis, Stu? All I see there are contradictions and your opinion. You're asking people to expand on their opinions, and move away from 'soundbites', yet you've used several yourself. I know you champion Nolan, and feel like you need to defend him whenever possible, but I'd love to see (figures, graphs, etc) what you see that other people don't. For what its worth, in a 3 game analysis for Newcastle United (Tottenham, Fulham & Arsenal), Kevin Nolan as CM played the fewest passes (most of which were dump passes to a more creative player), the fewest tackles, fewest interceptions, and his average position was dead on the half way line. Once I've submitted the work, I'll post it up on the forum in the tactics thread, so people can read it. Fair play if you do, but I don't really see what points I've made that I haven't provided some sort of support to go with it (if able to). I don't see Nolan as a creative player, I see him as a tidy distributor who tries to get on the end of attacking situations. His most improtant work comes off the ball and in the dressing room by leading the team. Doesn't convince me, that a CM's best qualities are indirect influences such as dressing room leadership. Like I mentioned, his closing down, passing, tackling, general movement off the ball is lacking. Still waiting back to find out if I can get the total distance covered from the 3 games from OPTA or not (without paying). Be interesting to see if its high, low or 'in the middle of the pack'. However, saying that... He played a decent ball forward today for one of our strikers, and when he scores you do 'turn a blind eye' to his limitations as midfielder, as they often turn out to be crucial goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Why sell him? Like someone said before, we need a bloody squad, we can't just sell every player when he falls out of favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Bout time he scored. He's been very poor for a while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 If he is scoring goals he has to play when they dry up then we should look at dropping & selling him. I think a central midfielder has to dictate the game and be a big part of the closing down, passing and movement in the side. If he's not doing that then he's allowing the opposition to dominate possession whether he scores goals or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Joint top English scorer in the league this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Was surprised he celebrated, was great to see the chicken dance again though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Sorry, but Nolan brings something to the team in the way of goals and leadership. He has scored 11 goals now, who else in our team comes close to that? Also he is a good, no very good captain. He is intelligent, he gets into good positions and scores from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Sorry, but Nolan brings something to the team in the way of goals and leadership. He has scored 11 goals now, who else in our team comes close to that? Also he is a good, no very good captain. He is intelligent, he gets into good positions and scores from them. interesting that when enriique fucked up and we gave away a corner (first half) it was nolan he looked up to and said basically "i'm sorry i know i fucked up" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 If he is scoring goals he has to play when they dry up then we should look at dropping & selling him. I think a central midfielder has to dictate the game and be a big part of the closing down, passing and movement in the side. If he's not doing that then he's allowing the opposition to dominate possession whether he scores goals or not. I would say scoring dictates the game. I have never seen a player close down the keeper at corners like Kev. Gets & it gives to people who can create. He moves towards goal. Pardew has got 4 (FOUR) analyst + all the coaching staff views & he is still picking him because he is not soley picking his team off the info the analyst give him. Would rather have him in the team the Danny Guthrie. IF Stevie Ireland can do enough to get signed up full time for next season he could replace Nolan, of course he would need to get near the form of a few seasons ago because of late he has been gash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 If he is scoring goals he has to play when they dry up then we should look at dropping & selling him. I think a central midfielder has to dictate the game and be a big part of the closing down, passing and movement in the side. If he's not doing that then he's allowing the opposition to dominate possession whether he scores goals or not. I would say scoring dictates the game. I have never seen a player close down the keeper at corners like Kev. Gets & it gives to people who can create. He moves towards goal. Pardew has got 4 (FOUR) analyst + all the coaching staff views & he is still picking him because he is not soley picking his team off the info the analyst give him. Would rather have him in the team the Danny Guthrie. IF Stevie Ireland can do enough to get signed up full time for next season he could replace Nolan, of course he would need to get near the form of a few seasons ago because of late he has been gash. also notice when the oppo has a free kick, if the ball drops nolan is the first reading it. it's like he is designated sweeper from oppo dead balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 interesting that when enriique f***ed up and we gave away a corner (first half) it was nolan he looked up to and said basically "i'm sorry i know i f***ed up" It was also interesting that Nolan screwed up in front of the Leazes and started screaming at Williamson as if to say it was his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 interesting that when enriique f***ed up and we gave away a corner (first half) it was nolan he looked up to and said basically "i'm sorry i know i f***ed up" It was also interesting that Nolan screwed up in front of the Leazes and started screaming at Williamson as if to say it was his fault. quite probable. also canny to see was harper saying "i know" to the gallowgate after fucking up another clearance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 He started to celebrate then suddently remembered who he was playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 He started to celebrate then suddently remembered who he was playing. Told you!!1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 "the quack"?!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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