Decky Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 People defending Pardew by pointing at the games he's won so far remind me of the hilarious mob who spent over a year pointing at Souness' long unbeaten run when he took over (ignoring that half the games were against a set of Israeli peasant village teams, who all played better than West Ham last week) and claiming it justified his position. Pardew is already looking the total mug that he has previously proved himself to be and it will all come crashing down before long. I'm just glad we've already got a solid amount of points in the bag. Next season is going to be interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 what's happening now, we're turning against Pardew 'cause he's mouthy, is that it? i just want to be clear so i'm on board - before leaving the UK to come back here i thought he'd handled the press well and we'd beaten wigan & west ham quite nicely to pull away from relegation a little bit what changed, is he blaming players publicly for defeats? souness-esque that like Nah aside from the Stevenage embarassment (including wrongly playing Tiote), nothing bad has really happened. He could use more discretion in airing some of his views but I suspect that is just his style and it's no big tragedy. It's more like a bunch of people who are desperate to be proven right on how bad Pardew is gonna be, that are jumping on every little thing he does to criticize him. Unbelievable that after we beat Liverpool, Wigan and thrash West Ham, that fans are still not willing to give him a chance. I'm not saying give him a blowjob, but at least be honest give him credit when its due and see how things pan out first before playing the Souness card. thought so, this interested me Pardew is already looking the total mug that he has previously proved himself to be and it will all come crashing down before long. in the top flight has he proven himself to be a mug? did well with WHU when they came up first season, second season there were a lot of mitigating circumstances for what happened at both WHU & CA imo i think he DOES have to prove himself with this chance he's been given like, keeping us up comfortably and making steady progress next and i think he'll be doing OK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 what's happening now, we're turning against Pardew 'cause he's mouthy, is that it? i just want to be clear so i'm on board - before leaving the UK to come back here i thought he'd handled the press well and we'd beaten wigan & west ham quite nicely to pull away from relegation a little bit what changed, is he blaming players publicly for defeats? souness-esque that like Nah aside from the Stevenage embarassment (including wrongly playing Tiote), nothing bad has really happened. He could use more discretion in airing some of his views but I suspect that is just his style and it's no big tragedy. It's more like a bunch of people who are desperate to be proven right on how bad Pardew is gonna be, that are jumping on every little thing he does to criticize him. Unbelievable that after we beat Liverpool, Wigan and thrash West Ham, that fans are still not willing to give him a chance. I'm not saying give him a blowjob, but at least be honest give him credit when its due and see how things pan out first before playing the Souness card. thought so, this interested me Pardew is already looking the total mug that he has previously proved himself to be and it will all come crashing down before long. in the top flight has he proven himself to be a mug? did well with WHU when they came up first season, second season there were a lot of mitigating circumstances for what happened at both WHU & CA imo i think he DOES have to prove himself with this chance he's been given like, keeping us up comfortably and making steady progress next and i think he'll be doing OK Good points in both posts Still want a link to TT's interview though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 FWIW despite the fact I never rated Pardew to begin with I don't want him to fail. I would love him to make a success of this job because we need to move forward as a club. The Stevenage game has set the Souness alarm bells ringing though. Not because of the result but the sheer number of avoidable mistakes which Pardew made in his selection then his use of substitutes. Pardew single handedly lost that game with his inept management. Hopefully it was just a bad day at the office but my fear is the players will have started to see through him and this will affect morale. While it's true it's early to judge him as a manager it's difficult not to have the nagging fear that he's just a flash talking bell end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 People defending Pardew by pointing at the games he's won so far remind me of the hilarious mob who spent over a year pointing at Souness' long unbeaten run when he took over (ignoring that half the games were against a set of Israeli peasant village teams, who all played better than West Ham last week) and claiming it justified his position. Pardew is already looking the total mug that he has previously proved himself to be and it will all come crashing down before long. I'm just glad we've already got a solid amount of points in the bag. Next season is going to be interest. You won't have to wait that long for things to get interesting..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I don't think Pardew has done very much wrong TBH, the Stevenage result was poor but it might well have happened under Hughton as well. Don't think I'm 'defending' Pardew, there's nothing to defend him for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 He's done well enough so far, but there's signs (the Stevenage game being a large one, his handling of post-match pressers and gobshitery in the papers being another) that things are going to blow up in our faces. Whether it's this season, this summer, or next season is anyone's guess, but I have almost zero faith in this smug prick to deliver any modicum of success. The words 'honeymoon period' spring to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 It's just him being more mouthy that's annoying so far. Might get used to it if by some chance it gets as good or better a reaction as Hughton did from the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 IMO the criticism of his quotes in the press has been way overblown. It's a non-issue for me, he's just a more open character and more conversational with the press than Hughton. Not a big deal at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Agree that it's not a particularly big deal (unless it does affect the players adversely in the long run), certainly the stuff about Jose's twittering. But how Hughton came accross in interviews was a breath of fresh air for me when he first took over, and is the only concrete thing so far that I miss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Agree that it's not a particularly big deal (unless it does affect the players adversely in the long run), certainly the stuff about Jose's twittering. But how Hughton came accross in interviews was a breath of fresh air for me when he first took over, and is the only concrete thing so far that I miss. Yep. Pardew's comments about Krul after the Stevenage game were ridiculous and Hughton's post match would have been completely different. Perfect example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 IMO the criticism of his quotes in the press has been way overblown. It's a non-issue for me, he's just a more open character and more conversational with the press than Hughton. Not a big deal at all. Agreed. Storm in a teacup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Agree that it's not a particularly big deal (unless it does affect the players adversely in the long run), certainly the stuff about Jose's twittering. But how Hughton came accross in interviews was a breath of fresh air for me when he first took over, and is the only concrete thing so far that I miss. Yep. Pardew's comments about Krul after the Stevenage game were ridiculous and Hughton's post match would have been completely different. Perfect example. I liked how Hughton dealt with the press too, but there are very few managers that take his approach. He might have become more open over time as well, we'll never know. I never like managers singling out players in public, but I don't think criticising Krul's kicking was too out of order. If it motivates the lad it's a good move, if it crushes him it's obviously a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Agree that it's not a particularly big deal (unless it does affect the players adversely in the long run), certainly the stuff about Jose's twittering. But how Hughton came accross in interviews was a breath of fresh air for me when he first took over, and is the only concrete thing so far that I miss. Yep. Pardew's comments about Krul after the Stevenage game were ridiculous and Hughton's post match would have been completely different. Perfect example. I liked how Hughton dealt with the press too, but there are very few managers that take his approach. He might have become more open over time as well, we'll never know. I never like managers singling out players in public, but I don't think criticising Krul's kicking was too out of order. If it motivates the lad it's a good move, if it crushes him it's obviously a mistake. The comments were little more than a critical, and probably justified, observation and nowhere near a "personal attack". If it were to crush Krul then frankly he's not cut out for a career at the top end of pro football, but it won't because he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yeah, that's what I meant basically, it shouldn't affect Krul too much. Hopefully it will motivate him, I'm sure he knows he's been below-par recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 IMO the criticism of his quotes in the press has been way overblown. It's a non-issue for me, he's just a more open character and more conversational with the press than Hughton. Not a big deal at all. Agreed. Storm in a teacup. Nah, some of his comments are unnecessary and not really thought trough. To say it's storm in a teacup is bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 A manager should be able to criticise a player in public without people crying about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 A manager should be able to criticise a player in public without people crying about it. Who's crying? Decent little discussion on the pros and cons IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 A manager should be able to criticise a player in public without people crying about it. Who's crying? Decent little discussion on the pros and cons IMO. The comments about Souness are a bit ridiculous tbh. All some people are saying is that the league results have been decent so far, which they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yeah, that's what I meant basically, it shouldn't affect Krul too much. Hopefully it will motivate him, I'm sure he knows he's been below-par recently. Precisely. Players for the most part know themselves when they're not playing well. I'm sure it was no revelation to Krul that his kicking on Sunday was appalling. So it beggars the question as to why does the manager need pick that out as one of the main reasons for us playing poorly and losing the game? It's pointless other than as an exercise in blame shifting away from himself - it's not my fault we lost I had to play a kid in goal who was shit. That's right Alan, don't bother telling your young inexperienced keeper to start laying it off short to the defence during the game when you see his kicking is off, just wait until after the game and single him out for criticism. The ability to scapegoat and shift the blame onto others may be the type of thing Ashley was looking for in an "experienced" manager, it certainly fits his style, but it's not a quality I rate highly. Sorry, but this is in no way motivational to a young player: The goalkeeper had a problem kicking the ball, he seemed to be shanking a lot of kicks. That was putting us under a lot of pressure. That was not the sort of standard we expect from Newcastle and what I expect as a manager. Criticising something like a player's effort, tracking back, concentration, etc is understandable as that is something they can improve on in the next game and is amenable to motivation. Criticising a technical part of someone's game when they have an off day simply puts them under more pressure next time they play knowing that people will be focussing on it and comes straight from the Souness book of top tips for real managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 TBF, the 'Pardew blamed...' bit is not a quote, it's a journo's spin on the quote. I don't think that Pardew was saying that Krul was the main reason we lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I don't think that Pardew was saying that Krul was the main reason we lost. Obviously not the main reason. That would make him a real tit. He definitely partly blames him tho. And UV - spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Of course Pardew wasn't saying we lost mainly due to Tim Krul's kicking. Krul had another poor game albeit he was beaten by a 3rd/4th deflection in as many games which is very unfortunate. Pardew would have been asked about Krul or had been talking about the player's and they've picked out Krul for the article. Pardew hardly came out in the press conference after the game and slated Krul, he blamed the fact we were tired and never matched their tempo and hunger for the win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I don't think that Pardew was saying that Krul was the main reason we lost. Obviously not the main reason. That would make him a real tit. He definitely partly blames him tho. And UV - spot on. Well yeah, obviously he is placing some blame on Krul, but he deserves it. He's no scapegoating him for the loss, or trying to avoid blame himself though. Anyway, such a minor point it's hardly worth talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Pardew would have been asked about Krul or had been talking about the player's and they've picked out Krul for the article. Probably. And then he should answer something like: He is a young lad and mistakes will happen, but he'll bounce back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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