Alan Pardew

[Ronaldo]

I'm more referring to your anti-Pardew bias tbh.

[Heron]

Done great to continue Hughtons hard work, regardless of how much I think it is still down to 'this group of lads'. He had a tough job, and he's won people over. He has only got it wrong two or three times, max.

[Guest TheSummerOf69]

He has only got it wrong two or three times, max.

 

West Ham, Charlton and Southampton?

[Yorkie]

Not Hughton or Keegan.

 

As in 'popular managers who actually achieved something for us'.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Not Hughton or Keegan.

 

As in 'popular managers who actually achieved something for us'.

It's quite ridiculous to compare Hughton's "accomplishments" to other managers you are talking about. I wonder if West Brom supporters hold Mowbray in such high regard for getting them promoted.

 

I don't think Hughton's achieved that much. I'll always like him, but it is ridiculous to paint him as some sort of messiah.

[Yorkie]

... Jesus. So you wouldn't put him under 'Popular manager who acheived something for the club'? That's ridiculous. Not as ridiculous as the interpretations you've taken from that statement, however.

 

I didn't paint him as a messiah in the slightest so stop putting words in my mouth. If you read the initial post, i said "Pardew isn't Hughton or Keegan, but he isn't Souness or Kinnear either." Obviously he didn't have an effect of the same magnitude as KK (he might've done, eventually) - but he ranks as one of our more successful managers of recent times.

 

Every grain of positivity that lingers in the club at the moment - from a purely footballing perspective - Hughton has a level of responsibility for. To varying extents. You can't say he 'didn't achieve that much'. Absolutely instrumental in us diluting the potentially catastrophic effects of relegation. There's a lot to thank him for.

 

No, he's not at the same level as Keegan. But i never said that.

[Hanshithispantz]

 

EDIT: The fact Johnny has deleted his post makes me look like a cunt, but fair enough 

[Yorkie]

10/10 for effort, Hall.

 

EDIT: Sigh. Now i look daft and Hans finds me hilarious.

[JH]

Hughton

is

the

messiah

and

is

better

than

Keegan

 

Case closed.

 

(Added a bit more )

[Hanshithispantz]

:lol:

 

Might asell add my laugh in again, and an extra one for the extra effort

[Yorkie]

It is exactly what i said and meant tbf.

[Wallace]

Well I am interested to see what happens in the Summer because I have no idea what kind of player Pardew would go for or who he would sell of the current squad.  We probably need 4 or 5 at the moment but if Jose goes and a few of the fringe players, then we could be bringing in a lot of new players.  How much upheaval will that cause?

 

The second season after promotion is often harder but we could be looking to gel a lot of players who are new to the Premier League and who might need a year or two like Jose and Colo before they adapt.  I am not yet won over by Pardew although he does seem to be trying hard to impress and fit in but as with all managers, he will be judged by his signings.  £35m does not look much when you think of what a thin squad we have.  Next year it will his team so we shall see where we are this time next year.

 

 

 

[Ronaldo]

There's no reason Pardew can't achieve more than Hughton and become popular along the way.

[JH]

There's no reason Pardew can't achieve more than Hughton and become popular along the way.

 

1 outta 2 aint bad

[Ronaldo]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

 

[Yorkie]

Was he ever really 'universally disliked'? Obviously you've got the occassional half-wit who jumps on the back of any individual and makes a thread. But as far as i'm concerned, a lot of people were only disappointed with his appointment because it seemed cheap and short-term, and he wasn't Shearer. And there was a ruffle of uncertainty around Christmas time in the Championship when it looked like the wheels might fall off; most people hoped at that time we'd have to upgrade if we got to the Premiership. Don't think he was ever categorically disliked, though.

[JH]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

It was a case of people didn't rate him rather than people didn't like him.

 

It's different with Pardew. Despite him averaging pretty much what Hughton did in the first half of the season, he's still pretty much hated and not-rated on here.

 

Even if he takes us back into Europe, some still won't budge. It's sad, but true.

[Ronaldo]

He can still be popular with the mainstream, even if the biased refuse to budge.

[johnnypd]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

It was a case of people didn't rate him rather than people didn't like him.

 

It's different with Pardew. Despite him averaging pretty much what Hughton did in the first half of the season, he's still pretty much hated and not-rated on here.

 

Even if he takes us back into Europe, some still won't budge. It's sad, but true.

 

don't agree with that. while hughton wasn't hated, there was plenty on here that didn't rate him. me included. but he won people over through hard work, a dignified approach, some sensible decisions regarding playing staff, transfers and tactics, good results and then finally performances on the pitch better than most expected.

 

that shows that people can be won over by a manager, and the same can happen with Pardew.

 

i think the way he was appointed counts against him, but it is nothing that can't be overcome through onfield success.

[Ronaldo]

Don't think he was ever categorically disliked, though.

 

He was after that Orient game. Special cirumstances i'll acknowledge.

[JH]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

It was a case of people didn't rate him rather than people didn't like him.

 

It's different with Pardew. Despite him averaging pretty much what Hughton did in the first half of the season, he's still pretty much hated and not-rated on here.

 

Even if he takes us back into Europe, some still won't budge. It's sad, but true.

 

don't agree with that. while hughton wasn't hated, there was plenty on here that didn't rate him. me included. but he won people over through hard work, a dignified approach, some sensible decisions regarding playing staff, transfers and tactics, good results and then finally performances on the pitch better than most expected.

 

that shows that people can be won over by a manager, and the same can happen with Pardew.

 

i think the way he was appointed counts against him, but it is nothing that can't be overcome through onfield success.

 

Except what you've just said is a longer version of what I said

 

My point is, Hughton won people over through what you've just detailed. But he was liked too. Pardew isn't liked, so even if he does the same alot still won't budge.

[johnnypd]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

It was a case of people didn't rate him rather than people didn't like him.

 

It's different with Pardew. Despite him averaging pretty much what Hughton did in the first half of the season, he's still pretty much hated and not-rated on here.

 

Even if he takes us back into Europe, some still won't budge. It's sad, but true.

 

don't agree with that. while hughton wasn't hated, there was plenty on here that didn't rate him. me included. but he won people over through hard work, a dignified approach, some sensible decisions regarding playing staff, transfers and tactics, good results and then finally performances on the pitch better than most expected.

 

that shows that people can be won over by a manager, and the same can happen with Pardew.

 

i think the way he was appointed counts against him, but it is nothing that can't be overcome through onfield success.

 

Except what you've just said is a longer version of what I said

 

My point is, Hughton won people over through what you've just detailed. But he was liked too. Pardew isn't liked, so even if he does the same alot still won't budge.

 

fair enough, but i still think just about everyone would change their mind about pardew being "not-rated" if he was a success. bar one or two idiots who aren't worth paying attention to.

[alpal78]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

It was a case of people didn't rate him rather than people didn't like him.

 

It's different with Pardew. Despite him averaging pretty much what Hughton did in the first half of the season, he's still pretty much hated and not-rated on here.

 

Even if he takes us back into Europe, some still won't budge. It's sad, but true.

 

don't agree with that. while hughton wasn't hated, there was plenty on here that didn't rate him. me included. but he won people over through hard work, a dignified approach, some sensible decisions regarding playing staff, transfers and tactics, good results and then finally performances on the pitch better than most expected.

 

that shows that people can be won over by a manager, and the same can happen with Pardew.

 

i think the way he was appointed counts against him, but it is nothing that can't be overcome through onfield success.

 

Except what you've just said is a longer version of what I said

 

My point is, Hughton won people over through what you've just detailed. But he was liked too. Pardew isn't liked, so even if he does the same alot still won't budge.

 

fair enough, but i still think just about everyone would change their mind about pardew being "not-rated" if he was a success. bar one or two idiots who aren't worth paying attention to.

 

I know a few of those, you can see them from the way they write in this thread. But yes seriously, it would be interesting to see how fans would react if Pardew was successful say maybe get us to qualify for Europe in 2013.

[colinmk]

It was about 18 months ago that the forum went mad (I actually thought it was pretty positive news) when Hughton was appointed on a permanent basis. And it was less than 21 months back that I logged on to find a thread called 'Hughton is a yellow bellied coward', or something along those lines. He was universally disliked on here for a while.

 

It was a case of people didn't rate him rather than people didn't like him.

 

It's different with Pardew. Despite him averaging pretty much what Hughton did in the first half of the season, he's still pretty much hated and not-rated on here.

 

Even if he takes us back into Europe, some still won't budge. It's sad, but true.

 

don't agree with that. while hughton wasn't hated, there was plenty on here that didn't rate him. me included. but he won people over through hard work, a dignified approach, some sensible decisions regarding playing staff, transfers and tactics, good results and then finally performances on the pitch better than most expected.

 

that shows that people can be won over by a manager, and the same can happen with Pardew.

 

i think the way he was appointed counts against him, but it is nothing that can't be overcome through onfield success.

 

Spot on Johnnypd.

[Lush Vlad]

Is anyone else a bit worried with some of his team selections of late?  He's had his hands tied with the players available, but some of the line ups we've seen have had me a bit goosed. 

 

S.taylor at right back, Simpson right wing against Everton.  The 3-5-2 at Stoke, and then including S.Taylor against Villa which shifted our best defender to centre mid. 

 

We've not exactly got a great defensive record, but our back 4 usually looks fairly solid, it certainly does when compared to some of our defences in recent years.  However, Pardew, for whatever reason has tinkered with it in the 3 games mentioned and we've shipped 7 goals against pretty mediocre opposition. 

 

In all 3 there was a chance to just play someone like Ferguson, Guthrie or even Raylor.  The last two mentioned are not the most talented I know, but I don't think it would have had such big effect on the team and they would have been compotent at filling in on the flanks.

 

Jury is still out on Pardew.  We have improved in some areas and it's unfair to judge him just yet.  Will be interesting to see what happens in the summer.

 

I quite enjoyed his phone in, but at the same time he's constantly contradicting himself and I feel he tries to hard to give the fans good news.  Just feels like a massive kick in the bollocks when his comments end up being well wide of the mark.