oldtype Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Given his track record I think we can agree that the less opportunities Ashley has to make managerial appointments, the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 If Santon and Ben Arfa aren't regular starters from this point on he can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. It seems he is being a stubborn wanker just for the sake of it and it's effecting the team, the results and the fans. http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwo1ixWImD1qz4wexo1_400.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 If Santon and Ben Arfa aren't regular starters from this point on he can f*** off as far as I'm concerned. It seems he is being a stubborn w***** just for the sake of it and it's effecting the team, the results and the fans. He could've bedded both players in a lot earlier like. Even when HBA and Santon come into the team they'll need a bit of time to build up partnerships, we keep chopping and changing for no reason at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Given his track record I think we can agree that the less opportunities Ashley has to make managerial appointments, the better. It'd be Joe Kinnear next, anyway. Keep Pardew, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He's useless now that luck has deserted him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He is what he is, and we are what we are...7th best team in the country. We're going to get crappy results, performances, managerial decisions along the way, or we'd be top 4. Some people on here need to have a word tbh. Its not "along the way" though is it. Its 1 win from 8 games & a manager consistantly choosing a bizarre option with poor reasoning to back it up at this point. Hes couldnt be more deserving of criticism after that game, dunno how you think it should be played down atall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think we were good up to them scoring the 2nd, he needs to sort out the Obertan issue, i really hope if Cissokho comes in he plays at left-back and Santon at right. You sure? Wouldn't say good, but barring the rocky spell following their equaliser I thought we were doing okay. Problem is the gameplan was too conservative, and once we went behind we were never going to create too many chances to get back into it. If Ba's effort had crossed the line we'll never know what would have happened, but I just felt they had gears to move up and we were stuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Actually when I think about it, Top 3 striker in the league 2 of the top 5 best central mids in the league The best central defender in the league One of the best goalkeepers (I rate him ) in the league Surely a good manager can lift the other players to play around their level rather than drag the above lot down to the others. Play to the strengths etc. Oh well what do I know. /tinhat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Oh yey, we're at this stage again. This is going to be fun... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He has to demand more from our wingers. Enough has been said about Obertan, he simply lacks any sort of fight and bottle and I can't see him learning that, regardless of how long his below-par performances are tolerated.. And Jonas.. it's been months since his runs have created a dangerous opportunity. If we're so keen on his defensive abilities, just switch him to left back and be done with it.. Ben Arfa is so far ahead of those two, in terms of attacking threat/creativity at least, that even debating whether he'd be a better option is an insult to him and his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Confirmed my fear that Pardew doesnt have the brains to play a team into a good solid organise playing side. Had my doubts at the beginning of the year although we got a string of good plays , we have always looked unlikely to score from open play. We defend quite well at times, but when we needed to push on due to being toothless, that where we over commit and loose shape. The team can't attack fluently, often not trying to pass into space, we only look good in attack when we commit more people up front, but cant do keep ball with less. Frustrating to watch , as some teams have geared up a level with match fitness with the 1st 18 games and we have pretty much stayed the same standard. Not complaining about the points we are standing on right now but frustrating as hell, it is bloody obvious the team can play so much better since we have some quality players in the squad. Newcastle United tend to buy talented flair players but we never play to thier talents and often destroying their careers on the way.... Keegan in the 90's and Sir Bobby's teams were the last Managers that used flair player liked they are suppose to be used. Conclusion: You can have talented and top class players but you need a top class and equally talented Manager to make the team over exceed or perform at high standards. TIME FOR US TO GO OUT FOR A GOOD MANAGER: some one Continental would be good as we all enjoy watching free flowing and possession footy. Hope we break this endless loop of useless managers soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Actually when I think about it, Top 3 striker in the league 2 of the top 5 best central mids in the league The best central defender in the league One of the best goalkeepers (I rate him ) in the league Surely a good manager can lift the other players to play around their level rather than drag the above lot down to the others. Play to the s trengths etc. Oh well what do I know. /tinhat Absolute nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think we were good up to them scoring the 2nd, he needs to sort out the Obertan issue, i really hope if Cissokho comes in he plays at left-back and Santon at right. You sure? Wouldn't say good, but barring the rocky spell following their equaliser I thought we were doing okay. Problem is the gameplan was too conservative, and once we went behind we were never going to create too many chances to get back into it. If Ba's effort had crossed the line we'll never know what would have happened, but I just felt they had gears to move up and we were stuck. Yep. That was showed when we had spells of possession and didn't really know what to do with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 some one Continental would be good as we all enjoy watching free flowing and possession footy. Hope we break this endless loop of useless managers soon. Aye... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think we were good up to them scoring the 2nd, he needs to sort out the Obertan issue, i really hope if Cissokho comes in he plays at left-back and Santon at right. You sure? Wouldn't say good, but barring the rocky spell following their equaliser I thought we were doing okay. Problem is the gameplan was too conservative, and once we went behind we were never going to create too many chances to get back into it. If Ba's effort had crossed the line we'll never know what would have happened, but I just felt they had gears to move up and we were stuck. Was pleased with our second half reaction, even if we weren't playing the ball into dangerous areas - at least we got onto the ball and passed with some confidence. The first half was just... a joke. The freekick that never was changed the game. Pretty typical Anfield stuff, really. After that our heads went down and we just lost the plot entirely (bar that Ba chance). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Confirmed my fear that Pardew doesnt have the brains to play a team into a good solid organise playing side. Had my doubts at the beginning of the year although we got a string of good plays , we have always looked unlikely to score from open play. We defend quite well at times, but when we needed to push on due to being toothless, that where we over commit and loose shape. The team can't attack fluently, often not trying to pass into space, we only look good in attack when we commit more people up front, but cant do keep ball with less. Frustrating to watch , as some teams have geared up a level with match fitness with the 1st 18 games and we have pretty much stayed the same standard. Not complaining about the points we are standing on right now but frustrating as hell, it is bloody obvious the team can play so much better since we have some quality players in the squad. Newcastle United tend to buy talented flair players but we never play to thier talents and often destroying their careers on the way.... Keegan in the 90's and Sir Bobby's teams were the last Managers that used flair player liked they are suppose to be used. Conclusion: You can have talented and top class players but you need a top class and equally talented Manager to make the team over exceed or perform at high standards. TIME FOR US TO GO OUT FOR A GOOD MANAGER: some one Continental would be good as we all enjoy watching free flowing and possession footy. Hope we break this endless loop of useless managers soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He obviously shouldn't be replaced and needs time (he's only had the job 12 months ffs and half of that was him keeping things steady after Hughton went), he does however need to make some fairly obvious changes IMO though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 We were doing okish defensively till their 2nd. But theyve just drawn their last two against Blackburn and Wigan man. We werent playing Man United, they were there to be tested and Pards just gave it up before even starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He's getting things wrong at the moment on the pitch, but i'm still gonna reserve any judgement of him until we've actually spent some money. We've done well at times this season, but the luck has run out with regards to the whole square-peg-round-holes business. Plus, the team is blemished by poor players like Simpson and Raylor at the moment, as well as the injury to Saylor. Hopefully we have some money to spend in January and address the gaping holes in the line-up. Granted, the persistence with Obertan and this recent favouring of the long-ball are worthy of concern, but on the whole i've still got faith in Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Poor choices and tactics today and as well as he has done (in general) he has to take the criticism when it rightly comes for what has been a poor run of form. He's having to continue showing faith in players who are not doing it, because there is no other option. The squad needs some significant strengthening but we all know it's not going to happen. A mid-table finish is the maxium that we can hope for under this regime and that's where we will end up if we do not invest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Will be very interesting to see what he does in January like, Ba and Tiote are massive players to replace, big test for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Will be very interesting to see what he does in January like, Ba and Tiote are massive players to replace, big test for him. What's Guthrie's prognosis? Can we expect him to be back before Cheick goes away? Not that you're his doctor - it's an open question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Will be very interesting to see what he does in January like, Ba and Tiote are massive players to replace, big test for him. What he will do in January is use Tiote and Ba as an excuse for not winning games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Also - Man United (despite their injuries) will destroy us next Wednesday night if he repeats tonight's formula again. The fact we are at home may mean that he has to be braver. We have little to lose in actually having a go and trying to play some football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Will be very interesting to see what he does in January like, Ba and Tiote are massive players to replace, big test for him. What's Guthrie's prognosis? Can we expect him to be back before Cheick goes away? Haven't got a clue but hopefully because he stepped up well last time. Up front is going to be more of a mystery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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